Mike93r1

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Was looking for some feedback back on weather I should go with the Power FC or the Adaptronic PNP. Right now I'm at the point of an ecu upgrade with the normal bolt on's, intake,down pipe,cat back and doing intercooler now. After reading the Banzai thread with the dyno results after each bolt on upgrade I was thinking going PFC. They seem to be the standard upgrade but it seems the adaptronic has more features for not much more money. My goals right now are 340ish hp and would like expandability in the future if/when I go single. Regardless if the ecu I go with I'll have to take the car to a tuner as there's no one local to me. I'm basically getting parts ready for next spring as winter will be here soon. Thanks for the feedback.

cr-rex

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The adaptronic is superior in every way. The only reason I can think to go pfc is the low cost of buying a used one and having the commander. For your goals, either will be fine as the pfc has been around forever and has proven it's potential. On the other hand the adaptronic is the pinnacle of ecu tech right now and is constantly evolving. If you want more features than you will possibly ever need go adaptronic. If you want the commander and a much lower cost ecu that will work fine but is just old, then go pfc. Personally, I am on power fc in both of my FDs. I would love love to go adaptronic but it's overkill for my set ups and I wouldn't possibly be able to utilize all the features or its capabilities. The power fc just works and iwots really like having the commander. It allows me run only 2 gauges: afr and oil pressure.

Turblown

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If you can put your car together well, and follow instructions we offer remote tuning for the Adaptronic models. Shoot us an email or phone our office for more details( 763 753 9939)

The new Adaptronic Modular PNP ecus are quite a step up from the select models( just released this month).

Banzai-Racing

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Call whoever is going to be doing your tuning and ask them what they prefer.

Mike93r1

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Thanks for the replys. Talked to a tuner today that is semi local,( couple hours away) and they suggest a wire in model like the M2000 or a Haltech unit and having a new harness built. Main reason why was the age and possible damaged factory engine harness from the heat cycles. While I understand the reasons for this I'm just not quite sold on it yet. I like the newest features of the Adaptronic but at the same time I think the PFC can pretty much handle my goals for the car. Either way I'm likely to trailer the car to a tuner. And actually Banzai or Turblown are about the same distance from me. If anyone has any furrher input I'd appreciate it, I'm still not sure what to choose.

cr-rex

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The pfc will definitely be able to handle whatever you have planned. The power fc has been around for a very long time and has proven on many fronts that it's more than capable. I wouldn't suggest going haltec for the same reason I stated above with the adaptronic. It's kind of overkill really. The factory Harness doesn't age well but there are many different and less expensive/time consuming avenues that can be taken to remedy that. Pfc or adaptronic you really can't lose. If you go pfc, you get the benefit of having the commander along with the lower cost to obtain it. Go adaptronic, you get the cutting edge of ecu power with an ever growing feature list. I would say the real deciding factor is what is your ultimate goal for the car. If you plan on keeping a relatively simple set up then pfc all the way but if you plan on going with all the latest tech in turbos, injectors and so on, then I would recommend the adaptronic.

Like I said before, I didn't go adaptronic because of the long feature list. Although great, it's things that I will more than likely never utilize. With the goal of my car, the pfc is more than capable of handling it. I don't have any parts from the "modern era" so there's no real incentive for me to go adaptronic. It's not like it can do much more with what I have than the pfc.

I'm sure you'll make the right choice, it seems like a pfc will meet your needs just fine.

Turblown

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Here are a few real world benfits of using the Adaptronic that everyone will benefit from;

1. No need for base maps, forget trying to tune the engine yourself if you are not very experienced on other platforms without a base map.
2. Much easier to tune than most systems, especially for DIY guys
3. Easily monitor fuel pressure which is 100 percent critical when tuning. Modular adaptronic does not require an SSI anymore(wires directly in). Modular ve table self compensates for fuel pressure ( and temperature if connected).
4. Safety features like overtemp and loss of fuel or oil pressure. Just look around the forum and see how many guys pop their engines from a radiator hose or oil cooler line that pops off.
5. Faster tune time, and more accurate tune. Ve tuning does over half the work for you. Built in datalogging showing AFR vs your target afr makes afr tuning a breeze.
6. Built in boost controller eliminates the need for sub systems which most inexperienced people can never get right
7. Flex fuel if using E85.
8. Easy boost by gear; often overlooked function that most cars should use