Missle drift tandem= fcken badass
 

I wish we had a tracks like these in America... just get so close to that wall and missle tandem.. looks so much fun. at one point I didnt give a fuck about my car and it was becoming a missle car.. Sometimes I thought I wouldnt be able to drive my car home from events lol..My fc is immortal...I restored it back to normal looking... I really want to build a missle fc later on.. You know have a missle toy that you just go super buck wild with...and not care about how it looks

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6..._0904-copy.jpg


sick ass vid.... dunoo if u guys seen it yet...
http://vimeo.com/4636484
some other cool vids..
http://vimeo.com/5059286
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q2lf...layer_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhRGhtn4Vw4


whos down to build a missle car?? or have I just gone nuts?? I want to go in hot 3rd gear , ride the wall and make wall paint mix into my paint,ding my exhaust pipe and dents and more aero destruction. This is the only way Il find true happiness!!!

Wait, your car isn't a missile car?

^^ lol

it's basically a missile car. everytime you make it pretty, it self destructs.

i'd love to have a missile car. exactly what a beat to shit 240 is good for.

Drifting gets gayer every day.

i guess my car is a missle car lmao.. damn,... nvm, what was i thinking

Then quit.

You take it too fucking seriously anyway.

missle status like that white 240 in your vid link? that things ass end is so smashed it's retarded. i agree with Tatakai, that's what POS 240's are for :)

The cheaper route is to just quit caring about your car altogether and drive it as hard as fuck. If you hit the wall then hammer it out till it rolls again and keep going. Buy a truck and trailer.

Two questions:

What's missile drifting?

Why do you have a rear wing for downforce if the whole point of drifting is to make the rear slide?

Also you might enjoy this quote: "Nothing is going to happen on the track that will improve the looks of your car."

Ranzo can probably confirm this, but a missile car is a term I believe coined by Japanese drivers, typically good ones who have a competition car and major sponsors. They have their bad ass car and then they buy these "missile cars" which are just super basic drift cars for cheap so they can smash them into the wall / other cars and not care. The point is so they can practice drifting as close to each other and the walls as possible without caring about the car. It's not a new term, but all the sudden Zilvia figured it out (someone probably saw it in a Drift Tengoku) and now all the fan boys are using the term to describe their junk cars so they sound cooler.

As for wings on drift cars, they are 99.9999% for looks. That not to say you don't want grip in a drift car, in fact it's the opposite. Many higher hp drift cars are searching for grip just like track cars. More grip allows for higher speeds, more angle, and more control. But drift cars rarely see speeds necessary to make wings effective.

Awesome quote, who said it?

in Japan, the professionals in their off-season will drive bone stock cars with coilovers and a LSD, and not give a flying fuck about the cars aesthetics. bumpers are ruined, fenders crushed, rear ends crumpled.. as long as the car still drives its still driftable. imagine playing bumper cars with drift cars

http://noriyaro.com/wp-content/uploa..._nikko_001.jpg

the more grip you have, the more speed and smoke you can achieve. a spinning wheel will not move the car anywhere without at least some grip between the tires and the ground.

Huge rear wings are greeat for lifting tire smoke! Looks better! =)

not really true, there are drifters out there putting huge angle on their wings to provide lots of down force at their given speeds. it all depends on preference and speed. there is a japanese pro drifter who drove a FC with the thing almost straight up and down because of the FC's inclination to pick the ass end up on throttle lifts. the super angle of the wing created a lot of down force and drag i'm sure, but hey, it worked for him.

you guys got the idea on a Missile. Its just a piece of doo doo car that may or may not have parts on it and you take it out and just try shit or see how well you can keep up with other modded cars and if it falls apart just leave the fucker at the track and catch a ride home.

Wings...... They do actually have a purpose for lots of drivers. Rhys Millen ran a big one that was adjustable on the GTO it was clear lexan so to not be noticed. First thing people need to know is that Yes you are trying to "slide" the rear end but you need traction in order to carry speed and to have control. If you run doo doo tires in the back then you are still a beginner.......step it up.

Anyway Missles are fun because you can let your friends drive it and enjoy watching them mess up getting used to the damn thing.

Wings don't work when pointed sideways relative to the airflow :p:

wings do help, alot. Even simply attacking hard on the freeway onramp Ican feel my car gripping it nicer than before. Before the wing the rear end would kickout just barely flooring it. Plus, Ive tested my car with and without the wing at Inland drift plenty of times, even at top of 2nd gear I can feel the difference.. Like one test I did was, I had 205/40/17 in the rear and 215 fronts, the car would just oversteer like a bitch, I bolted my wing on and set it at max angle dowforce and it dirfted as if I had 225s in the back.. Heres the video to prove it.. 205s in the rear... 215 front.. just some junk used tires I matched up collecting..oneside michelin, one side falken..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc9LkoJTJko
for drifting you want grip, I dont get why most people think you need less grip.
For me the wing works and looks cool so its a keeper.. for some its gay, but eh who cares

Yes, but it works for him because he hits the speeds necessary for a wing to produce down force. Like I said, most drift cars do not hit those speeds (ie amateur level).

Better tires in the rear will help more in both high speed AND low speed corners than a wing.

At the speeds neccesary for a wing to have any effect it's unlikey the car will see 90 degrees in relation to the corner. It may not be fully utilizing the wing but the wing does see some air flow.

I want to put a big gigantic ass wing on my car just to piss people off....

Pretty cool video, good to show people who want to get into any kind of motor sport. I'm glad the local tracks don't have walls right next to the racing surface!

I think 90% of what most people who drift do to their cars is just to piss people off. I'm not excluded. It's comedy.

i want a gigantore wing like haraguchis...

your forgetting that the good spoilers are angle adjustable and that you'd match the wings angle to your speed to maximize downforce? even if your only doing 20mph, if you had a wing on you could make a certain amount of downforce. if it came unbolted mid run, wouldn't it fall off backwards? yes, because the air moving over the car and spoiler would be pushing back against it. wings work if you know how to use them.

Couldn't quite find an article i read a while ago with mad mike trying out a wing on his then 20b fd, i think it provided too much downforce at the time and he ended up taking it back off for the rest of the competition round.

They lightly mention the topic in this article, attempting to reduce traction so that the car can drift 4th thanks to a broken gearbox:

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009...adventure.aspx

Missiles sound great :icon_tup: you're left with atleast 1 working/running car to go back to when it all turns to **** :lol:

That's called drag not downforce. And just because air is moving over a wing element doesn't mean it's not producing lift (or in this case a useful amount of downforce).

Yes, and Mad Mike is actually a professional drifter who drift at the speeds necessary for a wing to be effective. I bet he had no problem keeping the rear end out in low speed corners, but I'm sure it was the high speed corners + wing that made him take it off.

I'm all about large wings, I love them, but you gotta step back and know when something is for form or for function. Wings on a drift car are for form (ie looking awesome and pissing people off), don't kid yourself.

your about half correct. the "drag" your talking about is still force, and when the wing is angled correctly that drag becomes downforce since it's attached to the trunk lid pushing down. it's all about angle of the wing and your speed. you don't need to be a "pro" to use a wing correctly, why don't you understand that? and no one is drifting at a 90 degree angle so, yes, the wing is actually helping. look at the other posts on here, the people who have actually tried wing and wing-less are saying exactly that, they do help while drifting.

Because I'm an engineer and listening to drifters / ricers talk about how much downforce an ebay wing generates with 0 data makes my brain hurt.

If the talk was limited to how cool the wing looks, then I'd be ok.

Have a look at this:
http://www.aprperformance.com/index....sk=view&id=181

Even a large, well designed, tested wing, APR GTC300, generated a max downforce of 188 lbs at 80 mph with a 15 degree angle of attack. That's with ideal airflow straight over the wing. Also look at the graphs, there is a point at which the angle of attack vs downforce plateaus and starts to decrease, so that shows you that just adding more angle doesnt make a wing produce more downforce.

So think about that and the following:
1) Those APR numbers are from CFD analysis which is always optimistic since everything is "ideal"
2) Drift cars rarely see that speed unless you are at a large track on the first corner
3) The airflow over a wing on a drift car is not perpendicular to the wing element making it far less effective
4) 0 engineering design went into an Ebay wing.


Additionally, downforce is proportional to the square of speed (meaning it really drops quickly as air velocity decreases). This is why wings are not super useful at lower speeds.

big wing = awesome

Ahhh... thank you, my brain hurts less :)

good god man..

:AA:

how about the stock FC wing,the wrap around one sceen more often? does it serve a purpose?? mazda engineered that!:scratch:

I like my egay wing and Ive done over 100mph entry drifts in top of 4th gear at El toro. Im sure the huge $80 egay wing that is bolted on my car has helped me out and Im not pro either.

my point exactly, real drivers, real feedback.

Looks cool, probably reduces drag a little by delaying airflow separation off the tail, probably produces no real downforce. It's really more of a spoiler than a wing.

the Sport wing was the only wing that ever really did anything. go the MazdaMark.com, he has all the aero charts from Mazda showing the flow characteristics of the FC. i believe it just reduced drag along with the rest of the aero goodies Mazda gave us.

Sport spoiler, no airflow under it therefore it's not a wing.

This.

I am so glad I sold my car, to think all the times I put it in the wall I could have called it a flying dildo fuck up, then I would have been accepted by all the retards. At least some of the Drift days are not fully gayed up by this gayness. Thank god for Gymkhana, but I am waiting for the tards to move to it also.

I guess if that is what you like and makes you happy man. Hugging the wall drift entrys make me happy and, yes I like to get really close to k rails with my straight pipe.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...nddrift040.jpg

Why do you base your decisions in motorsports on other people? If you dont want to associate with people with a varying opinion or taste to your own then turn to knitting or photography. No need for social interaction in those hobbies....

Mass popularity of any subject is its downfall, history has shown us this.

You are drastically under estimating the performance fall off of a wing with a yaw rate. The APR data wasn't great to begin with ( < 10% of the car's weight) and I assure you it would be much worse at even a slight yaw.

The other problem here is that you are assuming the majority of the "drag" is coming from the force of the air hitting wing at a high angle of attack, which isn't true. This action is giving you a small bit of force on the wing, but the majority of the drag that burtoncr is talking about stems from the low pressure area behind the car, that is made much much larger by the wing which is deflecting the airflow that could be filling that area, upwards. This low pressure wants to suck the car backwards, and is what eventually stops you from accelerating when the car reaches its (non gear limited) top speed.

Not trying to start anything, just trying to educate a bit. It may "feel" better, but butt dynos aren't very reliable.