FD to much grip
 

HI there, i have a little problem of traction with my jdm fd3s. I have started drifting with my car i have a non sequential setup, 215-45-17 tire with 40 psi, and i seem to have 1 problem. I HAVE TO MUCH TRACTION.:scratch: I took some experienced guy with me and they where shocked how much the car grip. I got no more sway bar in the back. CAN SOMEBODY help me with my too much traction :nod:

Lol, 215s with too much grip? No. I run 255s with my FC and don't quite have enough. Grow some balls, go in much faster, get the ass out, and give it some serious gas. If you don't instantly do a 180 you either came in too slow, or have a serious power issue. You are going way too slow if you have grip with 215s. WAY too slow. Don't worry that wall won't hurt your pretty FD that bad.

Stock KAs drift fine with 215s even with they don't have retarded camber. Seriously, use the pedal on the right.

Tweak's right. Force the car to the spin, rev it up and let that clutch grab. You'll see what we mean.

FD's have way more "grip" as opposed to FC's. when i say grip, not so much traction, but more sidewards bite traction. i've driven a few similar to yours with the non sequential, power FC (no angle mods though which sucked) and i noticed it too. spinning the tires is no issue but they do grip pretty good. like everyone said, you have to man handle it and throw it hard during transitions.

try removing the sway bars, and raising your rear tire pressure up a bit to 50-70 (just to test out) and see if that helps. we took off the sway bars on my friends R1 FD, and played with tire pressure and it made the car feel 100% better.

I slide mine 235/45, 40 psi, no rear sway bar, rear coils all the way hard, and low ride height helps the rear from swaying to much, These cars have a lot of mechanical grip in the suspension lay out but the biggest thing is Committing and a good clutch kick and staying in the gas. Also my personal opinion but the stock diff sucks dick and unless you hammer that shit and are really tossing the car it opens alot.

Less rear Toe-In.... More Negative camber.... More Tire Pressure.... Stiffen the rear struts (harder compression or stiffer spring rate) .... Start with the easiest for you.

thanks for the tip i will try to play with the camber and put a lot of air in those tire. I am going back sunday. I was initiating with the hand brake (because the clutch kick is to agresive and its hard to control).The problem is that I was doing the apex realy good and it was to the switchback that the car didnt continue drifthing and put itself straith

Not enough grip and you are scared.

Not enough throttle / angle / speed. Nothing is wrong with the tires or car, you are driving like a girl with her Pomeranian in the passenger seat. You easily have enough power to blow your 215s away at any psi, don't purposely nerf your cars traction with retarded tire psi and camber. You are obviously new, and you just need to get used to it. Keep practicing. Go do donuts until you can do 5 perfect circles both ways, then do figure 8s to learn the body roll and how hard you need to transition to keep the ass out. Again, it is you, not the car / tires.

~Tweak

agreed.

i just took an fd drifting and very first corner i entered i looped the shit. it seriously happened faster than i could think. fd has no problems sliding or transitioning. just work at it and if you run out of tire speed, shift up. if you transition too soon or wont make the apex then ebrake to extend your slide. but it all requires speed. drifting well is not possible if you pussy foot.

I'm running mine on 225 @30psi (cold), rear dampers almost all the way soft, no rear sway bar.

No problem at all, but I came from an old bimmer M535 e28 with a worn out clutch, so I learned how to threw the car the right way to save the clutch ^^

Just run the track in grip for some laps, learn how to brake as late as possible, then try the same + being more agressive with the wheel in the turn in. It work with almost everything with wheels.

2nd time trying to drift the FD. Drive it like you stoled it. It helps if you are doing it in an area where you cant messed up.

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the take off looked very promising!
then modulation ensued. haha not bad at all though

So true...Im a whole lot better now...lol

That was probably my 10th time ever trying to drift. I looked like a complete ass. All you need is seat time out on real tracks to get better. This year I plan to attend the two XDC events on the east coast. Hopefully Ray@pfsupercars can tune my car at 17psi and come out with no problems.:scared:

Man... the FD feels sooo nice clutch kicking, ts great to control.. I concur with the rest.. Up the tire PSI and keep your RPMs high, the car will def loose traction.. A drift car with "too much traction" is a nice problem to have if your experienced enough in my opinion. Better to start with too much traction than making no traction in the rear, then later needing to adjust your setup as you figure out your setup is wrong to begin with.. Dont blame the car, blame the driver

this is completely backwards.

No its not, having grip in the rear is not a bad thing, too little grip is slow as hell and uncontrolable, speed requires grip in the rear, drifting requires speed. I always found it easier to drift the faster I went, maybe Im the only one?

Ice skating is far better than having to force the car around at first...

Time Attack Set ups don't always play into drifting well when starting out.

you gotta figure people have to become used to the sensation of sliding.
if it's a slower speed, it's just easier to recover from mistakes and process
everything going on. bringing grip into a loose car has been pretty normal protocol since .. forever.

From what Ive noticed, people who learn on cars that make it "easy" to drift take much longer to actually advance in drifting vs people who have a car that forces them to learn to drive right..

When I started, I blamed my car for having too much grip and again, like others were saying, it wasnt the car, it was me being a puss and not driving the car hard enough/correctly. I didnt go and change my entire setup so that I could achieve my goal, I practiced with the correct setup (not hard to do research and find out general setups of established cars and pro cars) and got better, a lot faster I feel than people who were busy blaming their car for the problems they had and constantly changed their setups.

But I feel that something like this is usually a combo of wrong setup/wrong driving, im just stating an extreme to make a point

But, i admit I maybe completely wrong, as I didnt learn in a FD, should have mentioned that