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RotaryEvolution 10-21-13 02:46 PM

i figured someone would come in to defend the FD. :)

rx7 SE 10-21-13 02:49 PM

It's nice to hear the FC get some love in comparison to the FD and Rx8...or maybe I'm just bad at picking up internet sarcasm.

placd1 10-21-13 03:44 PM

Impressive
 
This 4 rotor build is such a detailed and well executed project! I'm stunned by the technical work and detail. Wish I had access to a machine shop and some mechanical aptitude to fabricate stuff.:nod:

John Huijben 10-21-13 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s (Post 11603429)
i told him! the FD sucks, but in a way that you have to own to really understand.

Yeah, I know, I should've listened, but it's just soo pretty looking and fast! But anyway, I've had my fun with the FD last summer, but the winter is coming here, so the FD won't be driven anytime soon anyways, and hopefully the FC will be up and running when the weather picks up next year, so then I can use that as my go fast and have fun car.

Sorry for the lack of updates about the 4-rotor by the way. I need the crappy beemer up and running so I can daily drive that, but the FC parts I put on there started to blow up. I ran it with about 1,2 bars of boost (wastegate set to 0.5 but stock s4 turbos creep like hell), and it was pretty quick but the turbo and headgasket blew. The project got a bit out hand after that. I don't know why I did it, but now I have a full equal length 4-2 header on there, ball bearing twin scroll titanium wheeled turbo (IHI VF38), a full 3" stainless steel exhaust and a welded, resurfaced and ported head with headstuds. Need to get the engine back together asap, and dyno it because I'm heading to the track next week. Hoping to get it sorted asap.

RotaryEvolution 10-21-13 05:29 PM

score one for the hitachi blowing up a boinger! lol.

too bad it had to sacrifice itself in the process.

Rotate86 10-21-13 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution (Post 11603678)
score one for the hitachi blowing up a boinger! lol.

too bad it had to sacrifice itself in the process.

Best line ever. Had me cracking up

j9fd3s 10-22-13 12:38 AM

its interesting you had boost creep on a piston engine, i didn't think they had enough going on to do that

Gear2078 11-04-13 07:21 AM

Three days of reading and I have no choice to subscribe for the finish, sorry to add drivell. If you are done with that propane setup, I'll take it!

John Huijben 11-16-13 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s (Post 11604023)
its interesting you had boost creep on a piston engine, i didn't think they had enough going on to do that

Yup, I was surprised aswell! The subaru turbo had a better wastegate and didn't creep. Ran that turbo up to 18psi or so, but then that turbo also blew.


Anyway, I actually did some work on the 4-rotor again :) Nothing spectacular yet, lot's of small but time consuming stuff to do. First thing I did was finish the intake manifold, the TPS sensor was acting up. Got it to work though :)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-U...o/CIMG3782.JPG


Also did some work on the exhaust, it was already mocked up, but I didn't have any gaskets in there. Normal gasket's don't fit because my exhaust port shape is so wierd. Took a sheet of copper, cut out some flanged and assembled it. There are cutting rings in the header flanges that dig into the copper to help it seal, kind off like an o-ringed head.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...o/CIMG3785.JPG


Currently messing with the ignition system. I was going to use cbr pencil coils, but now I found these bosch units that I like better. Just need to figure out how to mount them

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P...o/CIMG3793.JPG

ultimatejay 11-16-13 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by John Huijben (Post 11622541)
Yup, I was surprised aswell! The subaru turbo had a better wastegate and didn't creep. Ran that turbo up to 18psi or so, but then that turbo also blew.


Anyway, I actually did some work on the 4-rotor again :) Nothing spectacular yet, lot's of small but time consuming stuff to do. First thing I did was finish the intake manifold, the TPS sensor was acting up. Got it to work though :)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-U...o/CIMG3782.JPG


Also did some work on the exhaust, it was already mocked up, but I didn't have any gaskets in there. Normal gasket's don't fit because my exhaust port shape is so wierd. Took a sheet of copper, cut out some flanged and assembled it. There are cutting rings in the header flanges that dig into the copper to help it seal, kind off like an o-ringed head.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...o/CIMG3785.JPG


Currently messing with the ignition system. I was going to use cbr pencil coils, but now I found these bosch units that I like better. Just need to figure out how to mount them

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P...o/CIMG3793.JPG

Those are Mercedes Benz coils used on 272 and 273 engines.

tegheim 11-16-13 01:26 PM

What about GM-coils? D585 I think.

John Huijben 11-16-13 02:31 PM

What about them? Nice coils with an internal igniter, but hard to find over here so they need to be imported from the us which makes them reasonably expensive. But yes they will work on a PP engine. I did hear they can auto ignite when using a long dwell time which I believe is why some people prefer the IGN-1A coils.

j9fd3s 11-17-13 04:47 PM

https://www.rx7club.com/naturally-as...hread-1035364/

we did some coil testing and the D585's are ok, but they aren't good enough to go out ofyour way to get IMO...

oh and with my old 3 rotor car, i mounted the coils on the frame rail, it puts them really close to the engine, and if you have room, might work?

John Huijben 11-18-13 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by ultimatejay (Post 11622550)
Those are Mercedes Benz coils used on 272 and 273 engines.

They are used on a lot of mercedes benz engines :)

Data sheet: http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/en-US...2778159755.pdf

3D Cad file: http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/pdf/c..._coils/2x1.zip




Originally Posted by j9fd3s (Post 11623298)
https://www.rx7club.com/naturally-as...hread-1035364/

we did some coil testing and the D585's are ok, but they aren't good enough to go out ofyour way to get IMO...

oh and with my old 3 rotor car, i mounted the coils on the frame rail, it puts them really close to the engine, and if you have room, might work?


I've already seen that thread, some good info in there! I'm kind of hesistant of mounting the coils on the frame rails because my fuel surge tank and my bosch 044 fuel pump sit right on top of the frame rail. Any fuel leakage would end up all over the coils, probably not a good thing :(. Plug I like the idea of mounting the coils on the engine, the mazda factory 3 and 4-rotor engines also had them mounted like that :)

j9fd3s 11-18-13 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by John Huijben (Post 11624080)
I'm kind of hesistant of mounting the coils on the frame rails because my fuel surge tank and my bosch 044 fuel pump sit right on top of the frame rail. Any fuel leakage would end up all over the coils, probably not a good thing :(. Plug I like the idea of mounting the coils on the engine, the mazda factory 3 and 4-rotor engines also had them mounted like that :)

haha, yeah just a thought

RonBurgandyFC 11-19-13 09:25 AM

holy shit - mad respect for the machine work thats awesome!

JDP6693 12-09-13 09:14 PM

I just want to say, out of all the shiny toys and insane builds, this thread is by far my favorite to just sit and drool over. The amount of care and exactness being used is just crazy. Super, super kudos! Can't wait to see the final result, but thrilled to see the journey.

zak rabbit 12-13-13 07:45 PM

Amazing build! A little ot, but you do realized that block in your bimmer is the one the f1 teams used in their 1000bhp...

ArmyOfOne 12-14-13 09:50 PM

Really great work, you are the grassroots champion working big problems with simple tools. I cannot wait to see this car in person some day.

John Huijben 12-15-13 03:01 PM

Thanks everyone :)



Originally Posted by zak rabbit (Post 11640652)
Amazing build! A little ot, but you do realized that block in your bimmer is the one the f1 teams used in their 1000bhp...

Well, not exactly. The casting part for the engine block is the same yes, but that's about it. Everything else is completely different!
Engine is holding together fine under boost though, it just likes destroying turbos for some reason :scratch: The subaru turbo also went after I upped the boost to 20+ psi. Oil pressure, oil temp, water temp, EGT temp and AFR ratio were all fine so I'm not sure why it went. Currently fitting a holset hx35 :nod:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z...o/CIMG3823.JPG



This was filmed from the beemer on the track, subaru turbo running about 10psi. that popping sound is the revlimiter. I didn't have any grip anywhere, and I don't have any respect for the engine either, so I just kept it floored all the time :)

GrossPolluter 12-15-13 06:13 PM

lol awesome!

hoosier7 12-17-13 08:52 AM

Legendary build!

RxSam 12-18-13 12:03 PM

Wow subscribed. Keep it up !

fbse7en 12-27-13 06:20 PM

John, Love those hard lines for that FC oil-cooler on that beemer! Full custom?!

doghouse 01-17-14 01:50 PM

Great build. Is it possible to make a 4 rotor eccentric shaft using two 13b shafts?


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