throw up some pics, to do the thumb nails you go to the reply button or go advaced on the quick reply and go to manage attachments. I don't know how to post the big pics really

hmm, the JDM guys do FC radiators all the time. ive never done it though...

That looks close to what I was playing around with earlier, but it looked like clearance was going to be an issue, I will double check it when I have some free time on my hands. Will do what I can about getting the pictures as soon as possible, right now I am just checking the forums before headin' to my first job.

lmao, here's the thread i made when i got that car http://www.nopistons.com/forums/topi...6-my-new-ride/

missing pics are an RE amemyia twin td05 turbo manifold. someone ended up offering me a lot of money for the manifold, so it got sold

found em....

So here's the first problem, the radiator itself is causing me a bit of a headache...

As you can see there is no metal shroud that normally mounts the stock radiator, this was gone when I got the shell.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...7/DSC00585.jpg

Now Here's the problem I have, the sway bar gets in the way of letting me mount the radiator low enough to clear the hood. To be specific, the passenger side hose fitting is what is getting in the way. If I cut it down I need to make a new nipple for the heater line. :scratch:

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...7/DSC00586.jpg

Here's a rough look at how it would look with it slant mounted, the only problem with this set up is that once again, the lower radiator hose fitting is practically against the cross member and I am worried about it rubbing/breaking the hose.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...7/DSC00587.jpg

So yeah... need to get this squared away before I an make any progress on the finishing her up. :(

Looks like you need to tip the rad more toward the front of the car. If you compare your pics to the one in #202, your filler neck is much higher than the one in the pic. if you lay it down more, you should have more clearance for your lower hose.

Perhaps a s4 radiator would be better for you - there is no filler neck on the radiator, just a cap in the center.

Run the lower radiator hose under the crossmember?

That's the problem, Originally I was going to mount it like that, but I didn't realize that once the engine was in I couldn't angle it enough to get it past the sway bar.

I'm not worried about the filler neck, that's going to go. I have a block-off plate for it and I will just use the S4 filler from the thermostat housing instead, the biggest issue is that I can't get it enough for that lower rad hose fitting not to get in the way of something. :(

I run a S4 rad in my car. had it in my GSL then swapped it over to the GSL-SE

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...20GSL-SE/8.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...wtrucks015.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...207/NEW007.jpg

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http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...207/NEW089.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...207/NEW087.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...207/NEW010.jpg

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Do you ever have any issues with that lower hose rubbing on the crossmember? Its so close I'm afraid of damaging my hoses...

i have solid mounts in my GSL-SE now, all i do is wrap it with a piece of old hose and zap strap it. I check on it once a month. I only drive the car friday nights to the drag strip, make 4-5 passes then drive home. My future fix is a aluminum pipe with rad hose on either end.

thats an idea. the rx8 has something like this in the upper hose, its just a steel part with a bracket so it bolts to something.

but the hose can't rub the crossmember if its bolted to it

Hmm... Maybe I will make an aluminum or steel pipe with a bracket that the hose can route through? I will go ahead and play with the idea tomorrow during welding, while I make some brackets for the radiator.

It looks like a bit of messing round. Have you considered tracking down some mounting panels for the radiator and running a 3 core 1st gen radiator? May be more costly though than if you want to try and make this fit. Just out of interest I'm running a hk monaro (old aussie muscle car) four core radiator, and it mounts to the factory panels...

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...r/DSC01021.jpg

I finally got fed up trying to get that second gen radiator to work and install the oil cooler. Came across a '83 12A in the junk yard and took the radiator, mounts, and oil cooler (and a stock two spoke steering wheel I'm not sure what to do with) Ended up installing it in the car today and came across an issue, my Taurus e-fan is to thick, I can't get it between the water pump pulley and the radiator. I know the GSL-SE radiator mounts are a hair thinner, but I don't have them or a junk car to get them from. So you guys have any ideas? I don't think I could even run the stock clutch fan either.

On my phone right now and its a pain to post pictures, so give me a couple dates to get my laptop fixed, hard drive died on me.

But you guys have any suggestions to how to thin the fan down or get a thinner e-fan that's a good or near as good as the Taurus fan? Thanks in advance, starting to look like I'll hear the engine roar around December.

By the way, why is this in the non-technical section?

Good Question. Fixed.

glad to see her being saved.

Thanks Direct, just seemed odd to me.
Thanks mate, I can't wait to be behind the wheel of my car again.

cant wait to see those pics

Sorry, was distracted most of the weekend so I didn't get them pics uploaded till just now.

But here's an idea of the problem I am having, my Taurus E-Fan won't clear the water pump pulley, and I don't think I can cut it down any further. So any ideas here mates?

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...1-14112950.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...1-14113101.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...1-14113043.jpg

mount it in front of the rad and push the air through?

i have a dumb idea. i'm wondering if the engine is too far forward?

i didn't look to see how you put the engine in the car, but since it was a gsl-se, isn't there a chance that it has BOTH the gsl-se subframe and a engine mount bracket that is bent to fit a 13b?

either that or the 81-82 radiator setup is that much thicker (its 3 row vs 2)

The crossmember and mount are for a 12a, I slotted the holes and let the engine sit as far back as it would go before tightening the engine and transmission mounts. The radiator came out of a '83, but whether model year or production year I didn't think to check when I was at the junkyard.

I want to save making the fan setup a push through as a last resort.

would make the engine bay look a lil cleaner. just outta curiosity what are the cons of a push fan?

My only thing would be that it would be a restriction at higher speeds when the fan isn't needed, or at least that's how it looks to me.

So no one else has come across this issue before when swapping in a 13b?? :(

Well in the meantime while I hope someone will have an idea as to why I don't have enough space to fit my trimmed Taurus fan...

In case I end up having to make it a pusher, anyone know if I reverse polarity on the wires, will it make the motor tfn the other way or is there a circuit inside the motor that prevents that?

Should be fine. You might have to remove the blades and flip them over too.

I don't think I can flip the fan over... its domed on the outside end...

Well I got some more work done today, cleaned up the wires and extended short areas. Put the battery tray in, installed the coils and engine bay fuse box. Not to happy with how the coils are mounted but it will work for now. Still trying to figure out how to fit the radiator with such little space, what other high powered E-fans that are pretty thin can I use? They'd have to be less than 6 inches thick.

The guys over here use mark 2 MR2 fans side by side as they are the perfect height for an S3 rad-not sure how that would work on an S5 or whatever but it might be worth a look.

Hey Guys! I'm back from the dead! :egrin:

Well, not really dead... I got caught up in stuff and distracted from my Seven, eventually ran into the good 'ol lack-o-cash issue and project once again went on the ice. But I just started working full time at my dealership and bringing the seven back to life is the first step in my plan to buy a V8 4WD 4Runner.

Don't worry I am not replacing the RX7, in fact I am replacing the '93 S10 Blazer... but I need a second car so when I sell the current junker I have something to drive! :nod:

Not that many of you really care or noticed I disappeared... :lol:

ANYWAYS! Quick update is done with, back to the nitty gritty.

Waiting on my paycheck to come through and planning this weekend to work on the Seven a little. Have the harness in her and mostly everything done. Just need to pick up some engine oil to break her in, an Optima Red-top, and route all the vacuum and heater hose lines.

Still have an issue with the fan though and I could use some help with that if you guys don't mind.

nice build man, subscribed :)

Good job on bringing it back!! Subscribed.

I put a second gen rad in mine and put a volvo fan on it. The fan is a nice Bosch and it fit like a glove. The second gen rad is supper easy and gained a lot of room.

I run a S4 rad in my FB look at the other guys pics and at mine in my album. You need to cut the header pannel in order for it to fit perfectly w/o hitting anything. I even have my stock undertray in place.

Looking through your pictures, I didn't have a header panel to cut unless you mean that short 1-2 inch bit from the edge of the hinge brackets.

In any case, I ditched the S5 radiator in favor of the stock radiator I pulled from an '83. But if you look at the pictures I showed, the E-Fan won't clear the water pump pulley and I can't trim the fan down any more...

yup. thats exactly what i mean. that small ass area needs to be cut out.

Hey guys, long time no post. Lot of stuffs come up in the past few months, quick recap.

~Working Full-Time at the dealership
~Taking a Tue night class to get my degree (in colonial American History... OMG could I have picked anything more dull... :scratch:)
~I just bought a new (to me) 2004 Toyota 4Runner Sport Edition V8 4WD and the mod bug has dug deep on this future Trailblazer (Picture/thread https://www.rx7club.com/1st-gen-general-discussion-207/im-alive-really-i-am-944766/)
~Got sick for over about a month (high fevers 102+ consistently and other bad stuff. lets just say that if it wasn't for Vicodin I wouldn't have been able to eat and drink during those few weeks...)
~and to top it all off; some jackass thought it'd be a wonderful idea to see if his pellet gun's pellet can occupy the same space as my cat's eyeball. (If you're wondering, yes they can occupy the same space, but the cat will not be happy) so now I am medicating her and taking care of her hoping she won't lose her eye or go blind due to infection.

So the basic story so far as you might have guessed from my other thread is that I am on rather inflexible deadline...

My stepdad, bless him has been patient with me and the Seven but understandably after almost 2 years of seeing the car not running he's not too happy. Mostly because I am using the parking spot for the house we rent right next door to store it and some new tenants want that spot. So basically the car hasn't been touched since about March and its so close! I'm hoping I can hold him off until the end of June... I just have no where else to store my car (I can't afford to store it somewhere...) so if I can't get it running and registered by roughly the end of June I'm gonna have to find her a new home! :(

Now then! Sorry about the gargantuan post, I just figured some updates where in order. I just ran to the junkyard today and luckily found an old GSL-SE to snag the radiator supports from, which should help my cooling fan issue.

So here's the to-do list as of now:

-Install and wire in Taurus cooling fan
-Install the battery cables, splice harnesses together to eliminate double relays.
-Wire up the FC Fuse boxes.
-Fill the Transmission, Engine, Cooling System, and gas tank with fluids.
-Cut and install all the vacuum lines.
-Alignment
-Fabricate a 3" exhaust system from collector back (Cat & muffler, possibly pre-scilencer)
-Find and install a battery

It looks like a bit, but really more detail stuff than anything serious... The biggest problem is the exhaust system. My college's welding shop has been closed all this semester since December to accommodate remodeling and won't be done until the Fall semester (around end of August/Sept) so I can't weld in my own system like I planned.

Now this wouldn't have been an issue as it was planned to fab and install it in the fall, but my stepdad is leaning on me to get the car not only up and running but registered before then which throws me in a bit of a pickle... Between car payments, and some stuff that was already set aside for the 4Runner I can't drop a grand or so to have a shop fab up and install me an exhaust system.

So yeah... That's whats up so far, once again sorry for the long post.

You could shorten your list somewhat to meet your short-term goal (running, registered):

Reinstall clutch fan
Reinstall original exhaust
Skip the alignment til after
Borrow a battery

The wiring and vacuum lines you pretty much have to do.

I'd love to do that Divin' but there's a couple problems with that...

~The exhaust was scrapped with the old wrecked car after they stole the Catalytic Converter while I was rebuilding the car, (stated it in like the first three pages IIRC... :() and that was for a 12A not the 13B I have now...
~When I got the shell it had no radiator supports or radiator and when I bought the engine it had no clutch fan because the PO had switched to a E-Fan...

The last two are easy, I should be able to get at least a half-dead battery from work (Most of the batteries at work still have 350+ CCA even though they got replaced) to use temporarily. And if I get it up and running, the dealership is less than a mile from the house, so I'll knock the alignment out on a lunch break or day off.

Unfortunately, the GSL-SE Radiator Supports weren't short enough to get the fan to squeeze in... I'll try trimming down the fan shroud some more tomorrow, but for now at least the cooling system is ready to get filled up.

Quick Update as of 6/20/11

What's been done:
-Routed most of the vacuum lines for the rats nest and so on, some minor coolant lines and such still need to be connected.
-Bolted down some bits that were loose

What needs to be done:
-Need to thin out the duplicate relays I have
-Fill fluids and bleed brakes and clutch
-Still F#@&!n' with the Taurus E-Fan and still not able to make it fit right for some reason... don't have the tools/fabrication equipment to make new mounts right now, so I may try snagging an actual GSL-SE Engine Bracket and see if that will fix things... probably sometime this weekend if I can find one.
-Grab a battery at work.

Comments/Questions:
~Anyone know how truly important those green vacuum delay valves really are? I'd rather not have to go find some at the junkyard if I don't have to
~Its like 90 degrees here lately and bright as hell, so not the work environment I want to play in when I already put 9 hours a day in a giant concrete oven wrenching on cars!
~Oh right, I am still alive, lazy but alive...

I feel your pain man. On the vacuum delay valve this thread should have what you're looking for. https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-specific-1986-1992-17/one-way-check-valve-939142/
Long thread short just scrap the valve, you won't be flooring the throttle with a cold motor anyway, right??? Glad to see you back finishing the project, I had wondered what ever happened with the build.

Oi, well my B-Day is tomorrow... (yay for me I guess?) was working on the Seven earlier today, just buttoning stuff up, got most of the vaccum routing done except for one or two hoses for the secondary throttle butterflies, and I think i am missing a couple hoses on the intake manifold; the diagram doesn't show any hoses there but I see vacuum nipples...

Bolted the ECM down to the passenger side footwell, covered it and then started to install the HVAC system. bolted down the throttlebody and upper intake plenum...not much else, have had a splitting headache today.

Honestly... as close as I am, I am starting to seriously doubt I will get the car up and running let alone drivable and registered anytime soon. And what's more, if I do get it running, I just don't know what I will end up doing with it. My life has changed a lot these past couple years and I just don't have the time and money to split on a second car. I barely have time for myself let alone anything else these days and I just don't have the space to store a second vehicle let alone one that isn't running. I am starting to consider the possibility of just selling what I have done now and coming back to rebuilding an RX7 later in my life when I have more time and space.

Truth be told, if I had enough space, I'd love to pick up the 12 Rotary Engines I have been offered a year ago (offer still stands as long as I pick them up) and just rebuild and sell them... but I just don't have a garage or storage area to work and store the engines let alone my RX7.

Sorry for how scatter brained this post is, the headache is messing with my train of thought right now...

i just want to say happy birthday and a sweet project going on redoing a 7 from the ground up is impressive looking forward to the finished product
-kyle

Happy birthday. Tough choice. So close. Good luck. Great work so far though :-)

Nice build thread man! Just went through it all! More pics please?

Why not ditch the rad mounts? Or jus trim them shorter to move the rad forward? You could always cut away however much is necessary & use L-brackets to connect it back to the original mounting spots...all you would need to do is drill holes.

Anything new with the car? Hope all is well man!