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cloud
He thinks I forgot about him, I pick up se oil cooler from him on ebay in Feb. 2006.as a buyer I ask him 9999 does it leak and he said no it in good working condition but it was not. I installed it on glsse and it has crack in the threaded any real rotary head know what am talking about and can see it in the pic.he said I made big stink about it but is not. I ask him to refund me 100 out of the 124 I send him, and he said no I will refund you 90 out of the 124 and i said no.so i put a clam with paypal.paypal ask me to take the oil cooler to get inspection by a radiator shop and i did, they did a PSI TESTand it leak air out of the cracks threaded paypal ask him to refund a full amount of 124.and if he want to paly the game post email i still have all of mys This guy burned me; all I want is this guy do me right and pay me the 25 he owes me.
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Feb 06?
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Originally Posted by rx7doctor
(Post 7986031)
Feb 06?
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Horsepoppy.
Chiqui bought item off ebay from me used and "AS IS" (which I mentioned via email before he bought it) and through dozens of ill-written and hard to describe emails, complained until Paypal gave him his full refund because it leaked after he installed it - without using new crush washers, which I specifically mentioned he should use. The $25 refund is for shipping or something, I don't even know. It was over 2 years ago. The bottom line is that any "real rotor head" would have known to spend an extra 2 dollars on crush washers, as I offered to send him (I never offered a partial refund, but did refund the price of the ebay auction). A radiator shop doing a high psi air check on an oil cooler? Bull. Not only are the fluid dynamics completeley different, you wouldn't be able to tell a crack from a bad connection in the first place. The item is back up for sale in the classifieds, has been inspected VERY closely, still has zero cracks, and that's the bottom line. I even specifically mentioned in my ad that I'd like a local buyer so that they can inspect it and feel comfortable with the purchase before any money changes hands. Chiqui, stop trying to bash me, stop trying to stalk me on here, and go away. There's a reason you are the ONLY negative feedback I've ever gotten on ebay or any classifieds on any website. Every other transaction I've ever had has gone smoothly, but you insist on continuing your attacks. Give it up. Notice my join date. I may not post that often, but I've been around here a LONG time, and have never experienced anyone saying anything bad about me, ever. |
You do not want me to post all of your email of all the BS you give me, you never said as is, I now what am talking about. I prove to you and to paypal the oil cooler is crack this is why paypal ask you to refund me the full amount and all I got back from your paypal# was 99 and I pay 124 for it+15 i pay to ship it back to you. I will not stop bash.i want all member here to now what a Damn rip off your are here and in ebay.
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You have proof of the crack? Please show it to me. I have the oil cooler in my possession with zero cracks. Your pictures prove nothing. Paypal is as retarded as you, and rather than actually figure out the truth, they side on the buyer's side everytime.
Prove to me that you used new crush washers, how about that? Oh wait...when the cooler was shipped back to me (filthy, I might add, thanks for not cleaning it up after you INSTALLED IT) there were NO NEW WASHERS. Two dollars could have fixed all of this, yet you refuse to admit it. You've made it clear that you are in fact bashing me, which I believe is against the rules of this forum. I've reported your post, and will continue to do so until you drop your childish retorts and get on with your life. |
Originally Posted by Cloud
(Post 8006857)
You have proof of the crack? Please show it to me. I have the oil cooler in my possession with zero cracks. Your pictures prove nothing. Paypal is as retarded as you, and rather than actually figure out the truth, they side on the buyer's side everytime.
Prove to me that you used new crush washers, how about that? Oh wait...when the cooler was shipped back to me (filthy, I might add, thanks for not cleaning it up after you INSTALLED IT) there were NO NEW WASHERS. Two dollars could have fixed all of this, yet you refuse to admit it. You've made it clear that you are in fact bashing me, which I believe is against the rules of this forum. I've reported your post, and will continue to do so until you drop your childish retorts and get on with your life.
Originally Posted by Cloud
(Post 8005093)
Yes, free. Picked up. No, I won't ship it. At this point I'd rather drive over it in my truck, take a dump on it, and send it to chiqui's mom's house. |
At least you're admitting you didn't use new washers. If you think you can install a factory oil cooler and cheap out and use the old washers, you WILL experience leaks. I don't need to explain this to you anymore, it's very common knowledge.
http://www.mazdatrix.com/b6.htm They are there, right under the part that says "The aluminum crush/sealing washers should be replaced whenever the fittings are removed or changed." $1.25 each. As for the cooler, I've had enough. If I had a rotary powered RX7, I'd toss the cooler on with new washers just to prove you wrong - but since I don't, I'll send the oil cooler to someone who is willing to test it out themselves. So I'll give it away to the first person that promises to pay up the big bucks to install new washers and install the thing. Just to prove that you are an idiot. And no, you aren't getting another dime from me. Ever. |
from what appears in the pictures, if the arrows are pointing to the correct area, the oil cooler has "stress fractures". even though they are not probably visible to the normal eye, when an oil cooler is installed it is under pressure and they WILL seep at the stress cracks. I've had several oil coolers this way. I have cleaned them up, inspected them, put new washers, and they still leaked. Warpage is another factor. best thing is to get it to a radiator shop and have it pressure tested.
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Thank you roatryhaven for pointing this out to this idiot.
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Ok, we understand your frustration, but stop using derogative terms.
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Originally Posted by Rotaryhaven
(Post 8007610)
from what appears in the pictures, if the arrows are pointing to the correct area, the oil cooler has "stress fractures". even though they are not probably visible to the normal eye, when an oil cooler is installed it is under pressure and they WILL seep at the stress cracks. I've had several oil coolers this way. I have cleaned them up, inspected them, put new washers, and they still leaked. Warpage is another factor. best thing is to get it to a radiator shop and have it pressure tested.
Consider this--the pic was taken from below the cooler, looking up, am I right? From under the car? Where exactly does oil collect when it leaks? It will run down the side of the part, to the lowest point, and then drip off. youre looking at the lowest point on the connections, and the oil is there, right where it would be with any other oil leak. Thats a drip, not the evidence of any stress crack. Hell, look at the lower connection and you can plainly see evidence of this. Not only that, but that whole damn connection is covered in oil--that is NOT a crack on the cooler itself. That pic shows whats happening there--the top connection has a slower leak, and the oil is dripping from the lowest point of that connection. Thats what oil does when it leaks. The bottom connection has a more serious leak and the whole damn thing is wet. A "stress crack" on the cooler that was so small you couldnt see it would not throw oil like that all over the rest of the connection. If it really was that small, then oil would seep out under pressure--thats a bad connection right there, no doubt about it. Heres the thing--when you try to go cheap on these cars it often bites you in the ass. What I am having a really hard time understanding is why this buyer ignored a $3 possible solution so he could immediately demand $124 back. Why in the world wouldnt you just pony up the three bucks? If worse came to worse, youre out three more dollars---I am certain that the $3 wouldnt have broken you for life! You need to do what your car requires, or you are looking for trouble. There's no excuse for not buying those washers just to save a couple bucks, when every authority on these cars says you need to replace them. had you done that, if the cooler WAS no good you would know it. As it stands right now, you simply do not know, and so this complaint really has no merit. |
Originally Posted by rx7roller02
(Post 8012895)
I have to disagree on that.
Consider this--the pic was taken from below the cooler, looking up, am I right? From under the car? Where exactly does oil collect when it leaks? It will run down the side of the part, to the lowest point, and then drip off. youre looking at the lowest point on the connections, and the oil is there, right where it would be with any other oil leak. Thats a drip, not the evidence of any stress crack. Hell, look at the lower connection and you can plainly see evidence of this. Not only that, but that whole damn connection is covered in oil--that is NOT a crack on the cooler itself. That pic shows whats happening there--the top connection has a slower leak, and the oil is dripping from the lowest point of that connection. Thats what oil does when it leaks. The bottom connection has a more serious leak and the whole damn thing is wet. A "stress crack" on the cooler that was so small you couldnt see it would not throw oil like that all over the rest of the connection. If it really was that small, then oil would seep out under pressure--thats a bad connection right there, no doubt about it. Heres the thing--when you try to go cheap on these cars it often bites you in the ass. What I am having a really hard time understanding is why this buyer ignored a $3 possible solution so he could immediately demand $124 back. Why in the world wouldnt you just pony up the three bucks? If worse came to worse, youre out three more dollars---I am certain that the $3 wouldnt have broken you for life! You need to do what your car requires, or you are looking for trouble. There's no excuse for not buying those washers just to save a couple bucks, when every authority on these cars says you need to replace them. had you done that, if the cooler WAS no good you would know it. As it stands right now, you simply do not know, and so this complaint really has no merit. |
Originally Posted by rx7roller02
(Post 8012895)
I have to disagree on that.
Consider this--the pic was taken from below the cooler, looking up, am I right? From under the car? Where exactly does oil collect when it leaks? It will run down the side of the part, to the lowest point, and then drip off. youre looking at the lowest point on the connections, and the oil is there, right where it would be with any other oil leak. Thats a drip, not the evidence of any stress crack. Hell, look at the lower connection and you can plainly see evidence of this. Not only that, but that whole damn connection is covered in oil--that is NOT a crack on the cooler itself. That pic shows whats happening there--the top connection has a slower leak, and the oil is dripping from the lowest point of that connection. Thats what oil does when it leaks. The bottom connection has a more serious leak and the whole damn thing is wet. A "stress crack" on the cooler that was so small you couldnt see it would not throw oil like that all over the rest of the connection. If it really was that small, then oil would seep out under pressure--thats a bad connection right there, no doubt about it. Heres the thing--when you try to go cheap on these cars it often bites you in the ass. What I am having a really hard time understanding is why this buyer ignored a $3 possible solution so he could immediately demand $124 back. Why in the world wouldnt you just pony up the three bucks? If worse came to worse, youre out three more dollars---I am certain that the $3 wouldnt have broken you for life! You need to do what your car requires, or you are looking for trouble. There's no excuse for not buying those washers just to save a couple bucks, when every authority on these cars says you need to replace them. had you done that, if the cooler WAS no good you would know it. As it stands right now, you simply do not know, and so this complaint really has no merit. |
Originally Posted by chiquirx7
(Post 8014972)
Seller told me he would refund me my money after it was test by a radiator shop so he ask me to take it to a radiator shop and fax him a copy or the receipt of the result. the radiator was pressure tested by a radiator shop and leak air out from stress cracks on the threaded. Just so you now am not cheap :icon_no2: with any of my 3 Rx so I pick up a new one from Atkins Rotary for 475 :icon_tup: you do not now me to say am cheap:nono: . The point here is this guy told me he would refund 124 and all I got back was 99 so he still owns me 25. this guy rip off he thought i forgot about him after 2 years
I told you I'd either buy you new crush washers, refund the price of crush washers if you ordered them yourself, or you could go hose yourself. I never said to get it tested by a radiator shop (that's stupid), and I NEVER saw a fax of a receipt from a radiator shop. What fax number did you use? Where's the receipt? You're just making things up now. BTW, Cloud 9 and RX7Roller, thank you. I'm glad some people around here have some common sense! |
Originally Posted by Cloud
(Post 8015078)
WTF are you talking about? I NEVER SAID I WOULD REFUND YOUR MONEY, tested or not. Of course, once you shipped it back to me (per Paypal's instructions, NOT MINE) I gave you back the purchase price since I had the part back.
I told you I'd either buy you new crush washers, refund the price of crush washers if you ordered them yourself, or you could go hose yourself. I never said to get it tested by a radiator shop (that's stupid), and I NEVER saw a fax of a receipt from a radiator shop. What fax number did you use? Where's the receipt? You're just making things up now. BTW, Cloud 9 and RX7Roller, thank you. I'm glad some people around here have some common sense! |
two more things...
Why can't you write proper English? he still owns me 25. this guy rip off he thought i forgot about him after 2 years |
I have a couple problems with this issue.
1). This if from over 2 years ago 2). Aluminum crush washers and only aluminum are to be used in this application. Aluminum is very soft and yields to torque. In order to get copper to seal correctly a lot more torque is required. 3). SE oil coolers are very prone to cracking when the wrong washers are used and excessive torque is needed to stop them from leaking. This excessive torque is what stresses the bungs and causes these issues. As you can see the problem I am having is that even if the cooler is actually leaking at this point it can never be known if it was received that way because of the incorrect usage of copper sealing washers. Chiquirx7, If you have emails or a pm that states that he would refund you $124.00 and also that he stated that he would refund you that amount if you took it to the radiator shop and they stated it leaked. Then I would like to see them please. Please pm me if you can supply those documents. Thank you, Doc.
Originally Posted by chiquirx7
(Post 8014972)
Seller told me he would refund me my money after it was test by a radiator shop so he ask me to take it to a radiator shop and fax him a copy or the receipt of the result. the radiator was pressure tested by a radiator shop and leak air out from stress cracks on the threaded. Just so you now am not cheap :icon_no2: with any of my 3 Rx so I pick up a new one from Atkins Rotary for 475 :icon_tup: you do not now me to say am cheap:nono: . The point here is this guy told me he would refund 124 and all I got back was 99 so he still owns me 25. this guy rip off he thought i forgot about him after 2 years
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What about me? This is still America; innocent until proven guilty, right? Searching through my gmail I find a few interesting quips, such as:
From before it sold: does it leak and are you going to guaratee it does not leak i do not want to bid and win and end up with a leaking oil cooler.will you take 100+ shipping for it buy it now let me now hey man the cooler is no good. it leak i want my money back and you can have the cooler back i will pay for shipping to you i have pic of it leaking on my cell if you want i will txt msg to your cell and you can see it leaking like i said i do not need 1 more leaking cooler you said you believe it to be in good conditon and den you said but i seriously doubt it will i will send you pic of it wendesday all i am saying is the cooler leak and i don't need a leaky cooler.if i now it was leaking i will not bid on it. your ad never said as is .all i want is a good cooler and the one you sold me leaks.you will get your cooler back the same way you send it to me but i will not pay for your ebay and paypal fees.iw ill pay for the shipping 2 way i will send it back to you on thursday .i will pull out of the car on wednesday put in the box send out to you.a i sell on ebay to so you have to take the good will the bad. Furthermore, the email I sent to paypal on 3/7/06: Please inform me the exact process I need to go through in order to appeal this decision. This part was sold used, as-is, and was sent to the buyer in the exact condition advertised in the auction. Emails inquiries by the buyer were replied to with no false pretenses of the condition of the item in question by me, the seller. During the investigation, I received no request for these emails or anything other than a brief synopsis on the paypal website. I do not feel that I have had the opportunity to give my details in this case. Furthermore, there is zero proof that the product was already damaged when the buyer received it. He actually went through the installation of the item into his car. There is a high likelihood that he actually damaged the product during this process. I should not be expected to refund his money due to his errors while handling the part. Again, please let me know how I can appeal this dispute. I called 1.888.221.1161, was transferred to the dispute resolution department, and told the protocol was to then send an email to this address. Thank you, Cloud |
Furthermore, my ebay feedback has but ONE blemish on it, going back to May 2000. Chiqui, spouting off more BS even after he got his money back.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...ab=AllFeedback I have nothing to hide here. |
Dude...it's $25. Get over it. You didn't spend the extra time/money to get the correct washers to do the job right - I don't see why cloud has to be held responsible for your decision to reuse the old washers (or use washers that aren't right for the job).
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Wow... I remember this guy but I had forgotten how "special" he was.
I really hope he isn't a product of a U.S. school. Cloud is a pretty awesome seller and even an awesome buyer... This "special" person didn't even bother to try the $3 washers to "prove Cloud wrong" so I hope no one believes word one of what he speaks. I haven't visited the site in almost 6 years, but when I saw this "special" message I had to put my two cents in. |
Originally Posted by cloud9
(Post 8015284)
two more things...
Why can't you write proper English? Are you serious? $25 after two years?? I mean I understand principle but don't you think that's a little ridiculous? How much personal productivity do you suppose you've cost yourself trying to deal with this? I would bet it rivals $25... not to mention that 25 dollars of 2 years ago has the buying power of like $22 and change now so I think you may only be hurting yourself at this point. Hell you could have found way more than $25 dollars just lying on the ground in a two year time frame if you'd dedicated your efforts to that instead of this. Ok.... I'm done. Cloud, I wouldn't be so proud of your grammatical skills either. Maybe, English is his second language. His point of view, regardless if it's right or wrong. |
Originally Posted by Jason94Cobra
(Post 8017769)
Wow... I remember this guy but I had forgotten how "special" he was.
I really hope he isn't a product of a U.S. school. Cloud is a pretty awesome seller and even an awesome buyer... This "special" person didn't even bother to try the $3 washers to "prove Cloud wrong" so I hope no one believes word one of what he speaks. I haven't visited the site in almost 6 years, but when I saw this "special" message I had to put my two cents in. Keep it clean. I find your comment very derrogatory. If you are a product of an American school, we must be in a world of hurt. As you can see, the door swings both ways. It's a good thing you haven't visited the site in 6 years. It has survived without you. |
Please leave the derogatory comments out of this. They will not be tolerated!
Thank you. |
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