Bad transation with theorie
04-26-17, 12:52 PM
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Bad transation with theorie
I AM POSTING THIS TREAD TO LET ALL YOU MEMBERS KNOW MY BAD EXPERIENCE WITH THEORIE ALSO I DIDNT BECOME A MEMBER ON HERE FOR DRAMA LIKE THIS
I WASNT GOING TO DO A TREAD BUT SINCE HE DID ONE OF ME AND TRYING TO MAKE ME LOOK BAD AND MAKE HIMSELF LOOK LIKE THE INNOCENT GUY HERE AND OF COURSE LIED AND FORGOT TO MENTION A FEW THINGS LIKE CALLED ME NAMES FIRST SO I DECIDED TO MAKE THIS TREAD WELL TO MAKE A VERY LONG STORY SHORT I BOUGHT A WASTEGATE FROM HIM THAT HE HAD UP FOR SALE https://www.rx7club.com/race-parts-o...-tube-1111121/ I GET IT AND THERES NO LOGOS/MAKINGS WITH GREDDY SO I PM HIM RIGHT AWAY AS SOON AS I GOT IT TO TELL HIM SO THEN HE TELLS ME THAT ITS AN OLDER WASTEAGTE WITH NO LOGOS AND THAT HE HAD VERIFIED ITS AUTHENTIC BEFORE POSTING UP SO I ASK HIM DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OR EVIDENCE HE SAYS NO THAT SOMEONE TOLD HIM IT WAS SO HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW HIMSELF IF ITS 100% AUTHENTIC SO THEN NICELY I ASKED HIM ONLY 1 TIME FOR A REFUND AND HE TELLS ME NO REFUND AND STOP BOTHERING HIM SO AT THIS POINT WE HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH AND HE WAS COMING AT ME WRONG SO I JUST TELL HIM OK WELL YOU HAVENT SHOWED ME AND EVIDENCE EITHER OR PROOF THAT ITS AUTHENTIC SO I AS THIS POINT IM MAD BECAUSE OF THE WAY HES COMING AT ME WRONG AND I DONT WANT TO WASTE ANY MORE TIME WITH HIM SO I CALLED PAYPAL AND DID A DISPUTE SO THEN HE PM'S ME CALLING ME NAMES SO I CALL HIM NAMES BACK TOO ALSO THERES ALOT TO THE STORY THAT IM NOT PUTTING IN HERE OR ELSE IT WILL BE VERY LONG AND I HAVE ALL THE PM'S AS PROOF SO ON THE NEW TREAD HE MADE HES TRYING TO CHANGE THINGS AROUND AND ALSO SAYING IM KEEPING THE PART AND THE MONEY WELL AT THE POINT ITS STILL UNDER PAYPAL REVIEW AND THEY WILL DECIDE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF I WIN THEN I GET MY MONEY BACK AND HE GETS HES PART BACK -------->NOW HERES THE BEST PART I EMAIL AND CALLED GREDDY AND SEND THEM PICS OF THE WASTEGATE AND THEY EMAIL ME BACK SAYING THEY CANNOT SAY THAT ITS 100% AUTHENTIC SO I CALLED THEM RIGHT AFTER AND THEY TOLD ME IF I WERE YOU JUST GET YOUR MONEY BACK AND BUY A REAL ONE THAT HAS A LOGO SO YOU KNOW THAT IT WILL BE AUTHENTIC FOR SURE SO I TOLD THEM IM TRYING TO GET MY MONEY BACK I CALLED PAYPAL AND WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS NOW IF THEY FAVOR HIM THEN HE KEEPS THE MONEY AND I END UP LOSSING WITH THIS PART THATS NOT REAL OH WELL AT THIS POINT I DONT REALLY CARE ANYMORE ITS ONLY $150 BUT JUST WAITING TO SAY MY PART OF THE STORY AND BAD EXPERIENCE / TRANSATION WITH ''THEORIE''
I WASNT GOING TO DO A TREAD BUT SINCE HE DID ONE OF ME AND TRYING TO MAKE ME LOOK BAD AND MAKE HIMSELF LOOK LIKE THE INNOCENT GUY HERE AND OF COURSE LIED AND FORGOT TO MENTION A FEW THINGS LIKE CALLED ME NAMES FIRST SO I DECIDED TO MAKE THIS TREAD WELL TO MAKE A VERY LONG STORY SHORT I BOUGHT A WASTEGATE FROM HIM THAT HE HAD UP FOR SALE https://www.rx7club.com/race-parts-o...-tube-1111121/ I GET IT AND THERES NO LOGOS/MAKINGS WITH GREDDY SO I PM HIM RIGHT AWAY AS SOON AS I GOT IT TO TELL HIM SO THEN HE TELLS ME THAT ITS AN OLDER WASTEAGTE WITH NO LOGOS AND THAT HE HAD VERIFIED ITS AUTHENTIC BEFORE POSTING UP SO I ASK HIM DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OR EVIDENCE HE SAYS NO THAT SOMEONE TOLD HIM IT WAS SO HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW HIMSELF IF ITS 100% AUTHENTIC SO THEN NICELY I ASKED HIM ONLY 1 TIME FOR A REFUND AND HE TELLS ME NO REFUND AND STOP BOTHERING HIM SO AT THIS POINT WE HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH AND HE WAS COMING AT ME WRONG SO I JUST TELL HIM OK WELL YOU HAVENT SHOWED ME AND EVIDENCE EITHER OR PROOF THAT ITS AUTHENTIC SO I AS THIS POINT IM MAD BECAUSE OF THE WAY HES COMING AT ME WRONG AND I DONT WANT TO WASTE ANY MORE TIME WITH HIM SO I CALLED PAYPAL AND DID A DISPUTE SO THEN HE PM'S ME CALLING ME NAMES SO I CALL HIM NAMES BACK TOO ALSO THERES ALOT TO THE STORY THAT IM NOT PUTTING IN HERE OR ELSE IT WILL BE VERY LONG AND I HAVE ALL THE PM'S AS PROOF SO ON THE NEW TREAD HE MADE HES TRYING TO CHANGE THINGS AROUND AND ALSO SAYING IM KEEPING THE PART AND THE MONEY WELL AT THE POINT ITS STILL UNDER PAYPAL REVIEW AND THEY WILL DECIDE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF I WIN THEN I GET MY MONEY BACK AND HE GETS HES PART BACK -------->NOW HERES THE BEST PART I EMAIL AND CALLED GREDDY AND SEND THEM PICS OF THE WASTEGATE AND THEY EMAIL ME BACK SAYING THEY CANNOT SAY THAT ITS 100% AUTHENTIC SO I CALLED THEM RIGHT AFTER AND THEY TOLD ME IF I WERE YOU JUST GET YOUR MONEY BACK AND BUY A REAL ONE THAT HAS A LOGO SO YOU KNOW THAT IT WILL BE AUTHENTIC FOR SURE SO I TOLD THEM IM TRYING TO GET MY MONEY BACK I CALLED PAYPAL AND WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS NOW IF THEY FAVOR HIM THEN HE KEEPS THE MONEY AND I END UP LOSSING WITH THIS PART THATS NOT REAL OH WELL AT THIS POINT I DONT REALLY CARE ANYMORE ITS ONLY $150 BUT JUST WAITING TO SAY MY PART OF THE STORY AND BAD EXPERIENCE / TRANSATION WITH ''THEORIE''
04-26-17, 01:02 PM
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I'm pretty sure no one will be able to read that incoherent yelling, but if anyone wants the full story they should check out this thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/bad-fugly-me...yment-1113655/
In summary: He has the part, and he's filed a charge-back on the money meaning I'm left empty handed. He's ripped me off in what should have been a simple transaction for a used "as is" part.
Buyers and Sellers beware. He will change his mind and back out of the deal, possibly leaving you without your parts / money.
I have been on this forum for nearly 15 years and have done business with countless other members. This guy ROTARY_ADDICT-1 just joined the forum several months ago and he's already ripping-off people.
https://www.rx7club.com/bad-fugly-me...yment-1113655/
In summary: He has the part, and he's filed a charge-back on the money meaning I'm left empty handed. He's ripped me off in what should have been a simple transaction for a used "as is" part.
Buyers and Sellers beware. He will change his mind and back out of the deal, possibly leaving you without your parts / money.
I have been on this forum for nearly 15 years and have done business with countless other members. This guy ROTARY_ADDICT-1 just joined the forum several months ago and he's already ripping-off people.
04-26-17, 04:17 PM
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Until Paypal makes a decision on this Matter it is out of the hands of both of you.
You put it IN the hands of Paypal once someone decided to contact them,so there is no sense in arguing back and forth..you guys can't see eye to eye anyways.
IF Paypal makes a decision for a Refund then it will be and "should be" stipulated that the Part should be Returned to it's owner in order for the refund to be final.
If not..the transaction was made,nobody will be happy and you guys just had a bad transaction..There is NOTHING that the Club can do but allow you 2 to post your thoughts on it.(remember?..Caveat Emptor...).
You put it IN the hands of Paypal once someone decided to contact them,so there is no sense in arguing back and forth..you guys can't see eye to eye anyways.
IF Paypal makes a decision for a Refund then it will be and "should be" stipulated that the Part should be Returned to it's owner in order for the refund to be final.
If not..the transaction was made,nobody will be happy and you guys just had a bad transaction..There is NOTHING that the Club can do but allow you 2 to post your thoughts on it.(remember?..Caveat Emptor...).
04-26-17, 04:36 PM
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Ok, guys, lets get this worked out right now....
Rotary_Addict, cancel your Paypal claim.
Theorie- you were slightly mistaken on your for sale posting.
What R.A. has purchased is NOT, in fact, a GReddy Type R wastegate. Given the aging on the castings, the possibility of it being replica is 0-5%, so lets quash that part. What we are all looking at in the debacle is actually an old HKS 50mm wastegate. Back in the day (late 90's) HKS was not yet casting in their beloved initials into the top cap of their wastegates, but the case design and shape is solely them. Couple this with the fact that HKS used STEEL for their exhaust piping (including wastegate dump pipes or where included in a turbo kit), whereas now they only offer SS flanges. All EBAY replica examples I found are shown with stainless steel dump pipes, which even shitty SS after about 20+ years will still look like SS....just shittier.
And so there is evidence to support my claims; Pic 1- Exhibit A- Theorie's original FS post pic, Pic 2- Exhibit B- Newer HKS unit but has casting, Pic 3- Exhibit C (hailed from HKS Japan's website itself).
I'm a parts advisor at a luxury car dealership *cough*Mercedes*cough*, so my day is spend digging for details to parts that differ by a damn color code or a stitching style or stupid **** like this. This may not mean something to some of you, but its a pain in the *** to do.
Rotary Addict- I understand your desire for authenticity, and unfortunately you did not get an authentic GReddy 47mm wastegate, instead, you received an AUTHENIC OG USED HKS 50MM wastegate, of which you can still purchase replacement parts for.
Theorie- You were mistaken in your description, though you sell lots of parts, little details on an unknown used JDM part do help tremendously.
Both of you were wrong, both of you were right.
RA, do the right thing and kill the claim. Theorie perhaps an apologetic email can suffice.
But, this has been blown out of proportion. This took me about 20 minutes of research to sort out; so lets reel it back in, and keep building fun ****, please.
-J
Rotary_Addict, cancel your Paypal claim.
Theorie- you were slightly mistaken on your for sale posting.
What R.A. has purchased is NOT, in fact, a GReddy Type R wastegate. Given the aging on the castings, the possibility of it being replica is 0-5%, so lets quash that part. What we are all looking at in the debacle is actually an old HKS 50mm wastegate. Back in the day (late 90's) HKS was not yet casting in their beloved initials into the top cap of their wastegates, but the case design and shape is solely them. Couple this with the fact that HKS used STEEL for their exhaust piping (including wastegate dump pipes or where included in a turbo kit), whereas now they only offer SS flanges. All EBAY replica examples I found are shown with stainless steel dump pipes, which even shitty SS after about 20+ years will still look like SS....just shittier.
And so there is evidence to support my claims; Pic 1- Exhibit A- Theorie's original FS post pic, Pic 2- Exhibit B- Newer HKS unit but has casting, Pic 3- Exhibit C (hailed from HKS Japan's website itself).
I'm a parts advisor at a luxury car dealership *cough*Mercedes*cough*, so my day is spend digging for details to parts that differ by a damn color code or a stitching style or stupid **** like this. This may not mean something to some of you, but its a pain in the *** to do.
Rotary Addict- I understand your desire for authenticity, and unfortunately you did not get an authentic GReddy 47mm wastegate, instead, you received an AUTHENIC OG USED HKS 50MM wastegate, of which you can still purchase replacement parts for.
Theorie- You were mistaken in your description, though you sell lots of parts, little details on an unknown used JDM part do help tremendously.
Both of you were wrong, both of you were right.
RA, do the right thing and kill the claim. Theorie perhaps an apologetic email can suffice.
But, this has been blown out of proportion. This took me about 20 minutes of research to sort out; so lets reel it back in, and keep building fun ****, please.
-J
04-26-17, 04:50 PM
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No wonder GReddy didn't know about it. 
So I guess it turns out I was given wrong information. I never claimed to be an expert in old school turbo parts, hence why I asked someone who claimed to know -- the guy I showed this to said he was "confident" that it was an "old school GReddy" wastegate and also explained to me that they "didn't stamp them with logos back in the day." Why should I doubt him when I'm planning to sell it "as is" with plenty of photos for potential buyers to view?
JDriftM - I'm glad you can verify that this is an AUTHENTIC HKS wastegate. As I understand, these also sold for around $1000 when they were new. I still think this guy got a deal for $150 shipped.
Regarding the PayPal dispute. After I messaged ROTARY_ADDICT-1 to tell him I would not be offering a return/refund since it was sold "as is", he immediately filed the PayPal dispute. He also immediately escalated it, and at no time did he provide me ANY evidence to suggest the part was a "replica" (or even HKS for that matter). It all comes down to him assuming it was a replica because he didn't see any logos, and then feeling entitled to a refund despite having bought the part under "as-is" terms.
Literally, if you Google it, the definition of "as is": the seller doesn't take any responsibility for what's being sold. This includes the errors in the listing, or the actual condition when professionally inspected.
So I guess it turns out I was given wrong information. I never claimed to be an expert in old school turbo parts, hence why I asked someone who claimed to know -- the guy I showed this to said he was "confident" that it was an "old school GReddy" wastegate and also explained to me that they "didn't stamp them with logos back in the day." Why should I doubt him when I'm planning to sell it "as is" with plenty of photos for potential buyers to view?
JDriftM - I'm glad you can verify that this is an AUTHENTIC HKS wastegate. As I understand, these also sold for around $1000 when they were new. I still think this guy got a deal for $150 shipped.
Regarding the PayPal dispute. After I messaged ROTARY_ADDICT-1 to tell him I would not be offering a return/refund since it was sold "as is", he immediately filed the PayPal dispute. He also immediately escalated it, and at no time did he provide me ANY evidence to suggest the part was a "replica" (or even HKS for that matter). It all comes down to him assuming it was a replica because he didn't see any logos, and then feeling entitled to a refund despite having bought the part under "as-is" terms.
Literally, if you Google it, the definition of "as is": the seller doesn't take any responsibility for what's being sold. This includes the errors in the listing, or the actual condition when professionally inspected.
"As is" is a legal term used to disclaim some implied warranties for an item being sold. [...] "As is" denotes that the seller is selling, and the buyer is buying an item in whatever condition it presently exists, and that the buyer is accepting the item "with all faults", whether or not immediately apparent.
Last edited by theorie; 04-26-17 at 05:26 PM.
04-26-17, 05:49 PM
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Until Paypal makes a decision on this Matter it is out of the hands of both of you.
You put it IN the hands of Paypal once someone decided to contact them,so there is no sense in arguing back and forth..you guys can't see eye to eye anyways.
IF Paypal makes a decision for a Refund then it will be and "should be" stipulated that the Part should be Returned to it's owner in order for the refund to be final.
If not..the transaction was made,nobody will be happy and you guys just had a bad transaction..There is NOTHING that the Club can do but allow you 2 to post your thoughts on it.(remember?..Caveat Emptor...).
You put it IN the hands of Paypal once someone decided to contact them,so there is no sense in arguing back and forth..you guys can't see eye to eye anyways.
IF Paypal makes a decision for a Refund then it will be and "should be" stipulated that the Part should be Returned to it's owner in order for the refund to be final.
If not..the transaction was made,nobody will be happy and you guys just had a bad transaction..There is NOTHING that the Club can do but allow you 2 to post your thoughts on it.(remember?..Caveat Emptor...).
THANKS MISTERSTYX69 FOR UNDERSTANDING IT'S TRUE WHAT YOU SAY ITS NOW PAYPALS DECISION WHATEVER THEY DECIDED IM NOT TRYING TO KEEP BOTH LIKE HE'S SAYING THAT I AM ,I DONT HAVE THE MONEY PAYPAL HAS A HOLD ON IT BUT I DO HAVE THE PART ALSO I DONT LIKE THAT HES SAYING THIS , He's ripped me off in what should have been a simple transaction for a used "as is" part.
Buyers and Sellers beware. He will change his mind and back out of the deal, possibly leaving you without your parts / money.
I DIDNT RIP HIM OFF IM WAITING ON PAYPAL TO DECIDE , SO FOR HIM TO ACCUSE ME IS WRONG
04-26-17, 06:03 PM
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ok, guys, lets get this worked out right now....
Rotary_addict, cancel your paypal claim.
Theorie- you were slightly mistaken on your for sale posting.
What r.a. Has purchased is not, in fact, a greddy type r wastegate. Given the aging on the castings, the possibility of it being replica is 0-5%, so lets quash that part. What we are all looking at in the debacle is actually an old hks 50mm wastegate. Back in the day (late 90's) hks was not yet casting in their beloved initials into the top cap of their wastegates, but the case design and shape is solely them. Couple this with the fact that hks used steel for their exhaust piping (including wastegate dump pipes or where included in a turbo kit), whereas now they only offer ss flanges. All ebay replica examples i found are shown with stainless steel dump pipes, which even shitty ss after about 20+ years will still look like ss....just shittier.
And so there is evidence to support my claims; pic 1- exhibit a- theorie's original fs post pic, pic 2- exhibit b- newer hks unit but has casting, pic 3- exhibit c (hailed from hks japan's website itself).
I'm a parts advisor at a luxury car dealership *cough*mercedes*cough*, so my day is spend digging for details to parts that differ by a damn color code or a stitching style or stupid **** like this. This may not mean something to some of you, but its a pain in the *** to do.
Rotary addict- i understand your desire for authenticity, and unfortunately you did not get an authentic greddy 47mm wastegate, instead, you received an authenic og used hks 50mm wastegate, of which you can still purchase replacement parts for.
Theorie- you were mistaken in your description, though you sell lots of parts, little details on an unknown used jdm part do help tremendously.
Both of you were wrong, both of you were right.
Ra, do the right thing and kill the claim. Theorie perhaps an apologetic email can suffice.
But, this has been blown out of proportion. This took me about 20 minutes of research to sort out; so lets reel it back in, and keep building fun ****, please.
-j
Rotary_addict, cancel your paypal claim.
Theorie- you were slightly mistaken on your for sale posting.
What r.a. Has purchased is not, in fact, a greddy type r wastegate. Given the aging on the castings, the possibility of it being replica is 0-5%, so lets quash that part. What we are all looking at in the debacle is actually an old hks 50mm wastegate. Back in the day (late 90's) hks was not yet casting in their beloved initials into the top cap of their wastegates, but the case design and shape is solely them. Couple this with the fact that hks used steel for their exhaust piping (including wastegate dump pipes or where included in a turbo kit), whereas now they only offer ss flanges. All ebay replica examples i found are shown with stainless steel dump pipes, which even shitty ss after about 20+ years will still look like ss....just shittier.
And so there is evidence to support my claims; pic 1- exhibit a- theorie's original fs post pic, pic 2- exhibit b- newer hks unit but has casting, pic 3- exhibit c (hailed from hks japan's website itself).
I'm a parts advisor at a luxury car dealership *cough*mercedes*cough*, so my day is spend digging for details to parts that differ by a damn color code or a stitching style or stupid **** like this. This may not mean something to some of you, but its a pain in the *** to do.
Rotary addict- i understand your desire for authenticity, and unfortunately you did not get an authentic greddy 47mm wastegate, instead, you received an authenic og used hks 50mm wastegate, of which you can still purchase replacement parts for.
Theorie- you were mistaken in your description, though you sell lots of parts, little details on an unknown used jdm part do help tremendously.
Both of you were wrong, both of you were right.
Ra, do the right thing and kill the claim. Theorie perhaps an apologetic email can suffice.
But, this has been blown out of proportion. This took me about 20 minutes of research to sort out; so lets reel it back in, and keep building fun ****, please.
-j
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04-26-17, 06:09 PM
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Lol you saw the pic of that rusty piece of ****, then bought it, then complained? What did you think was gong to arrive?
No offense to the seller...or buyer for that matter. I just don't think that part is worth the capslocks and the anger.
No offense to the seller...or buyer for that matter. I just don't think that part is worth the capslocks and the anger.
04-26-17, 06:09 PM
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ROTARY_ADDICT-1 has canceled his PayPal claim. He has the part and I have the money.
Good luck to anyone who has to deal with this guy. All this time wasted on emails, payment disputes, negative feedback, "Bad Guy" posts, etc...because he threw a **** fit over a cheap, used car part that was sold "as is"...
Good luck to anyone who has to deal with this guy. All this time wasted on emails, payment disputes, negative feedback, "Bad Guy" posts, etc...because he threw a **** fit over a cheap, used car part that was sold "as is"...
05-01-17, 07:55 PM
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hey man thanks i do agree with you i didnt become a memeber on here for drama like this and its true what you say its been blown out of proportion i will do the right thing right now cancel claim i guess ill just end up with an hks then a greedy one but also i dont like that hes accusing me of ripping him off and saying beware of this seller etc but i will get this over with right now
FWIW, in the future as I recommended to you in my reply, be certain that the part you are paying for is the part that you want. You can save yourself and others a whole lot of headache that way. Don't be afraid to ask questions before you pay for something. Glad this got sorted out.
05-01-17, 08:00 PM
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I agree with you, but he does have a point. Seller posted a photo of every single side of this part. Buyer immediately wanted to cancel the sale when he opened the box, because there was no logo on the part. A simple look at all the photos would tell you that there's no logo on the part. When he contacted GReddy, they told him personally that they could not say for certain that the part was not their own. He paid $150 shipped for a brand name part, and while the description contained an error, I think it's safe to say it was an honest one. There was no need to get into all this drama over something that was easily known or accessible to the buyer before he paid. The entire dispute was over a LOGO. These companies produced early parts without logos, and even being told that, the buyer still chose this course of action. There was a much simpler way to handle this.