Jon from Atomic Rex I want my refund of money deposit and parts. Been waiting 2 years
 

I have been told to post here as I am definetely feeling ignored and for a long time.

With the once available groupbuy for rx7 manual steering cnc'd racks, I contacted Jon and inquired about developing a 240sx rack. He said it can be done, he just needs the sample parts, etc... and price how much it would be plus deposit.

I organized a few interest checks and lots of people wanted it, but lots of people doubted it too. Saddly these doubters turned out right 2+ years later.

A few people did deposits and got their money back as they backed out. One of the people contacted me and said Jon would not get back to him for a refund. I paid that guy 500USD and told Jon. Jon said that's fine and it'll count towards my deposit.

I then got a HICAS rack which is the fast rack on a 240sx and sent it to Jon. I also sent mounting brackets which were hard to find new as they were low on stock/out of production (after all its been so long since this car has been in production). A few other misc parts and spent 120$ on shipping for it to come to Jon in the UK .. took two months.. but it got there.

Then it was a battle back and forth on phone, email, for a while... delays delays delays delays. One guy screwing him over to another, etc...

I have been more patient than anybody else... I was really just full of hope that Jon would go through and finally finish my rack.

He said I would get it 'free' as i did deposit + the contributed parts, but i have nothing today.

I want my rack, all the misc parts and the 500USD refunded... Or I want a working 240sx cnc manual rack in my hands!

Someone help, because he has been ignoring my emails.. so i dont even bother trying to email anymore. Every time I call since long time he started ignoring me bacuse I guess he would see my Canada long distance number. I would leave voice mails.

Hey,

I locked his group buy threads, and sent him an email as well asking for his response. I will keep you updated as I get news.

I received a reply, and sent him one as well, asking for a time frame for him to return your parts and money. Will keep you updated....

Thanks bro...

hey... i still did not receive any message or contact from him. Definitely no money back or parts back

rx7roller02......... another month passes away and i still did not get anything not even a call not even an email... definetely no paypal and definetely no parts!

sounds like awesome customer service..

Probably the reason you haven't heard from AtomicRex is that they died a long time ago. I have bought out their projects as well as a number of their designs and products they had.

We are looking to now push them forward, but that is as far as the relationship goes with Atomic.

As I am aware, the problems you suffered from came with the steering racks. The racks were due to be made by a company based in California, and as such all items were sent there. This included both LH and RH racks for the Rx7 and S14 Ahmed, I believe yours was one of them.

The company took the money and did nothing with them, a lot of money was lost and they ended up not returning the racks. So I Don't believe it was done personally towards you, but even so I am surprised you were left out of pocket. I have sent you a personal message asking for you to get in touch with me to see if something can be done to go someway into rectifying the situation. Atomic is no longer trading, but seeing as though I have taken the products I will look to go someway into sorting this problem with you.

And now, for the rest of the story....


A person identifying himself as "Dan" responded to inquiry some time back about this company. I was told by "Dan" that he bought out some of the projects and designs from Rex. We know that Rex was a guy named Jon Reeves. I have been informed that Jon Reeves has nothing to do with Minotaur Racing Limited.

HOWEVER, nothing could be further from the truth. Jon Duncan Reeves is the name of the director and founder of Minotaur Racing Limited. Jon Duncan Reeves also happens to be the name of the co-founder of Atomic Rex. But there's more....both AR and Minotaur use the same exact address for their business registration:

Registered Address:
65 St Mary Street
Chippenham
Wiltshire
SN15 3JF
United Kingdom

Here's a profile I found for them--you will have to register to see the info but it is quick and free to do so:

https://www.duedil.com/company/08282...racing-limited
Here's the same site's entry for Atomic Rex:

At the time AR shut its doors, this website reports that Jon had outstanding debts in the amount of $349,685.56(217,196 GBP at the current 1.61 exchange rate). I'm fairly certain that this does not account for every customer that is owed money, though. I believe this is businesses and agents, not individual customers.

Jon Duncan Reeves also has been director of 5 other businesses, according to this website. The only other one currently named was Atom290 Limited:

Atom290 had outstanding liabilities of 27,498 GBP, or $44,271.78 when it was dissolved. Apparently, Jon seems to have a history of running up debts with every company he starts, then he simply abandons the company--and its debts, and the customers left without--and starts a new one under a different name.

Time to own up, Jon. And time to make this right.

In the meantime, you are not to list another for sale thread or group buy thread on this forum.

You have lied to this guy about who you really are, "Dan", and you have lied to me directly. No more games. Make this right.

Well this "Dan" that contacted me said he will make up for what has happened with my situation by giving me a new rack as there is a new set of racks being produced first rx7 then 240sx/r32/etc...

The funny thing is I want to part out my unfinished 240sx track car or straight up trade for a clean stock fd rx7 lol so I would very much take an rx7 rack now lol...

and yes all these years I still have nothing in my hands and no money either... or a rack..

I just got a message from Minotaur Racing on facebook telling me I will have my free LHD RX7 rack sent to me (since I plan to get an rx7 anyway and get rid of my 240sx car) if Roller reopens the group buy.

Wow! That sounds kinda blackmailish to me.......

Eric

Somebody has some nerve to come back pretending to be someone else trying to "make" things right

Hold fire please.

There isn't any nerve going on here. I was originally a co-owner of AtomicRex, and following a number of problems, set about leaving AR and setting up Minotaur Racing. Just to clear up the monies owed by Atomic approx $300k, these were actually owed to me personally...that was part of my directors loan. I left Atomic back in November/December 2012, and the business under the other partner collapsed in Feb 2013.

I set up Minotaur with a number of people, it is too busy for me to run single handed. I am primarily involved in the design work now, and for that matter, most of my time is spent on a car I am looking to bring to market. I am based in the workshop, so when people visit they will meet me, but there are others that are integral to the business too. Dan is involved in the trade sales currently, and was the person who was setting up the group buy. And then there is Chris who is involved with the web side, so our new online shop is being developed by him.

I am not the sole owner though.

AR fell foul of a number of problems, partly due to my enthusiasm of offering time frames that were a little too keen, and not met, but mainly due to a number of staff working in the workshop that let AR down on building the cars. Finding good technicians is very hard, and when they let you down, they move on and leave the business to face the fall out. Seeing as that wasn't my primary responsibility I said I’d had enough, so pulled the parts I had had ownership of, and set up under a new guise, losing a large chunk of my investment in the process.

The debacle with the steering racks wasn't solely my fault. I think most, if not all, will agree the original racks were a great success. There are plenty being used to date, and are still talked about favourably as far as I am aware.

I was asked by Ahmed to extend the range to cover the S13/14/15 range. And he dutifully sent over some sample racks. These were designed by the original company and were due to be put into production. However they sacked their operations manager, and the new person declared that they weren't making enough profit, so put the prices of the racks up. These were going to come into me at over £1200 close to $2000! After adding a margin, they would have sat on the shelf as no one would have been able to afford them.

I scoured the UK to try and find another company to manufacture these, and eventually turned to a company I was pointed towards in California of all places. My thoughts were that this would drop the costs down, as the unit prices being quoted were cheaper and also the delivery charges would be less. However 12 months went by with failing promises, and although I was able to recover the deposits I had sent over, the racks I had sent were lost.

I spoke to another company in the UK, as we are only a small country so visiting the company when things weren't going to plan was far easier than flying to California! But once again promises weren't met, and then finally AR was no more.

I have spent the last 6-9 months designing and developing a rack that is, in my opinion, far better than the original. I have it in production, and now is the opportunity to sell it.

Dan did speak to Ahmed and tell him that once the Rx7 units were selling, that we would move forward and manufacture an S Series rack, which given the hassles he had endured would be sent FOC. Following the moderators interventions into this, I personally spoke to Ahmed last night and informed him that following on from conversations with moderators, they wanted assurance that he was happy. There was no blackmail over the details, we are not holding anyone to ransom, I simply asked Ahmed to inform the mods that we were going to honour the rack, at no further cost to him. Following on from last nights conversation it would appear that Ahmed no longer wants to use the 240 and is instead looking to purchase an Rx7. I told him I was happy to send him one of those racks instead.

I want to make it clear, no one has been hiding behind anyone else. All that we want to do as a company is move forward, now that the rack is designed and manufacturing is in process, get these out onto cars. They are an excellent piece of kit (I am a little biased) and will work extremely well. We have said we will honour the legacy mistakes made.

I have designed a good number of other parts for the Rx7, and I do think they will be well received.

I don't have a tin hat on, so I am more than willing to answer questions so as to clear this mess up. Then providing we are allowed to carry on I can leave Dan to get on with hopefully talking to people and ensuring they get the parts they require.

Well I am anxious to hear what roller says. I certainly want my rack and if it's new and improved vs the old praised rack, the better. Of course I have yet to part out/trade my 240sx, and to get an fd rx7, but regardless heh.

I am working today so I will answer this in more detail later. But I will say this--ahmed's steering rack has nothing to do with this issue as far as your group buy goes. He is to receive that from you ASAP because no matter what happens here, you owe him more than that. He stuck his neck WAY out for you and what you have done in return is beyond inexcusable. Several hundred dollars worth of parts shipped to you on his dime, $500 paid to your customer that you could not even bother refunding yourself, hell he even brought you customers.

You lied to me. You lied to this forum. And you broke rules in the process. I will address that later when I have more time.

Ahmed, please post a screen shot of the Facebook message. Let's put it all on the table. More to follow....

i think if you got enough of a line of bullshit to run up $300k in debt you can talk your way out of anything

There is a difference between squandering money and investing money. It isnt cheap manufacturing moulds, buying machinery to kit out a workshop and buildingup stock.

As said, if you want to ask questions then please do, but please keep it civil

OK, have a little more time to dig into some of this.

In March 2012, I sent Jon Reeves, AKA Atomic Rex, an email. Here is the full text of that email:

Here was the response I got from Atomic Rex:

Did I read that right, Jon? "one person who doesn't even own an Rx7 is causing the grief"? You actually blamed HIM for this situation? wow....

I sent him a reply back:

Now, I want to point this out. I requested that Jon provide a reasonable time frame for this to be resolved. He stopped all contact with me at that point and I did not ever get any response from him back then. At that point, he was not making money on this forum anyways. But all of a sudden he comes back with a new business name, and new group buy threads. And it's only then--when his thread gets locked this time and he gets called out for it--that he says he wants to make right. It is my opinion that Jon Reeves is concerned more about making his money than he is about anything else with regard to this issue. He wanted me to ignore the fact that ahmed was left hanging so that he could continue to sell parts here. I refused. The moment he saw that he would not get his thread reopened until this was handled, he stopped communicating completely with me.

That really sucks, Jon. Ahmed deserved better, and you knew it. But you were too busy chasing the money to care, apparently.

Now, as I mentioned earlier, there are some rules issues that need to be addressed.

Much of this issue revolves around ahmed getting what he rightfully deserves. But much of it also does not. We have rules around here. One of those rules is:

You were banned from this site. You then came back under a new name and pretended that Minotaur had no affiliation whatsoever with Jon Reeves. We dont take too kindly to such things.

Also, you might be interested in this rule as well:

Yes, I understand you pay to be a vendor. But the rules apply to you just the same, vendor or not.

As said I have nothing to hide, and I will reply seeing as though you have made it abundantly clear you are not willing to talk in private but rather air all for everyone to view.

I wasn't blaming Ahmed, for previous mistakes, and I don't want to bring up all of th conversations between us. I was, as I have already explained, stuck in a position where I couldn't get the racks made, and due to another business who screwed me over had no way of recovering the racks I had sent them.

I will admit, that a transaction that had occurred from another forum had now lead to me being excluded from this one, especially when th business was going through a tough time. And I may have reacted in a not so positive way. All of the monies were returned to rx7 club members, I even had one person screw me on that. He went to his credit card and issued a chargeback, and then when I reversed the transaction still went ahead with the chargeback and refused to then refund me. That took almost 6 months to be resolved.

At the point you decided to shut down and ban AtomicRex was the time I had started to look at leaving the business, which is why I didn't reply. Plus I had some rather big personal matters going on to contend with.

Yes I have come back, I am in a better place, and we have built a better business removing the stuff that didn't work in atomic...and now I am trying to make amends for all that went on. As soon as we had the racks made I contacted Ahmed to say that I would honour getting him a rack. There was no point in doing anything prior to that, as nothing was confirmed as happening.

As I have also itterated when Dan came on here and put together the group buy he made it abundantly clear that the monies would be paid into Paypal where they were safe and ring-fenced. This was to give the members confidence in our service.

I get the feeling whatever I say from here on in, you have made up YOUR mind to close us down. I made mistakes, I have admitted these, and the ones that affect others I'm not proud of, but when a business is collapsing around you that you have invested your life savings in, you sometimes lose the moral high ground and don't tend to act in the best of ways sometimes.

I guess I should have come on here and opened up to the world, standing on my chair and delivering the somber message that I am Jon, and I once was involved in AtomicRex. But to be honest when asked about whether to come back on here, i told the other guys that we would be probably shot down, and wouldn't have the opportunity to make amends, so I said to them come on here and see if we can build a good reputation under he new name, show the members that we are here to sell affordable racing parts and that we have the good of the customer in mind.

But it went sour...so if you want to ban us, then go ahead. I have nothing else to offer in the way of defence. I will give the assurance that those people who have paid their deposits will still get their racks, despite the group buy criteria not being met. But banning us doesn't help the members get the ability to understand the work we are doing, and nor gain access to the parts we make. I am not money lead by anymeans. And those that have come to the business will know and understand that. So I do take offence at that sweeping statement you made. I am not the Donald Trump of this world, just a small business looking to make well made components.

So as said I will leave it to, what i feel is a slight Kangaroo court, as no matter what I say will have little effect.

So you're justifying coming onto this website by completely lying about who you are in order to cover up your past transgressions, and we're the bad guys?

Give me a break. Perhaps you should look up the definition of integrity and character.

The only thing I can add is, this dan dude (whether it was jon himself or not i cannot say and would not say to be fair as I was asked what happened in the first place with jon and i detailed it) contacted me first.

I believe it was on through here then via email if i recall. I then liked their page on facebook and a month or two later messaged Minotaur racing asking for an update being told its in progress and then most recently I was msgd on facebook when this thread was updated.

I'd have to dig up the emails but minotaur racing wanted to make amends for the rack I was screwed out of via atomic rex at the time and all the drama that's happened...

Anyways... to be fair I still want my LHD RX7 rack and don't have it still but ya.. :/ Don't know what else to say...

There's no reason to talk in private, Jon. Your history as a seller on this forum and your history as a seller elsewhere are not a private matter. Our members deserve to know who is selling here and what that seller is about. I dont know how to explain that to you more clearly.

So, is ahmed lying then, when he said he had no contact from you? That he left you several voice mails, and sent you various emails....and you simply stopped responding? YOU might have known that you could not get his parts back...clearly HE did not. And that falls on you.

That transaction had its origin on THIS forum, as has already been explained to you countless times. had he not seen your thread HERE and contacted you from it, there would have been no "other forum". We covered this ground already, so there is no need for you to try to rehash it.

No, Jon, I did NOT shut down your account here. IB did...the owners of this forum. I did not ban you and never claimed that I did. Tell the truth.

By starting out with intentional dishonesty?? Yeah, I can see how that would be a good idea...:scratch:

Sorry, I call BS on this all day long. I have it on good authority that you already held at least one group buy on these racks on another forum, and as it stands now, we know that you only very recently contacted ahmed. Unless, of course, youre going to tell us that "Dan" contacted him. He posted this thread because you had NOT contacted him.


Again, I dont buy that. For one thing, you tell this whole story about how Atomic was in a bad place. You forget that for TWO YEARS, this guy tried to get ahold of you, tried to get his refund and parts back. While he was trying to do that, you were still on this forum, still selling other parts!! So how can you claim that "Atomic was in a bad place" when you freely admitted to me that you were selling parts like the bushes and doing just fine with them?

And all at the same time that you claim "atomic was failing". Nearly one year AFTER you initiated the manual rack group buy, you started the pillow ball bush buy. A year and a half after you started the rack buy, you started the alternator relocate kit buy. For a shop that was failing and getting shafted by all these other people/companies, you were still quite busy turning out other products!

Ahmed gave you TWO YEARS of trying to get things right. In that time, you had no trouble selling these other parts and more. But you claim that he fell through the cracks because you had to shut the business. TWO YEARS, Jon. That should have been MORE than enough time to at least do something for him. But you stopped all contact with him BEFORE I ever emailed you.

As I already stated before in other cases, paypal is not safe. A seller can simply withdraw the money from their paypal account into their bank account. Then, when someone files a dispute, paypal might find in the buyer's favor, but they cannot recover any funds because the seller already took off with the money. It happens every day, and it has happened on this forum before.

Sorry, dont play this kind of game with me. I am simply telling you the truth of what I have learned. If the truth about what you have done creates discomfort for you, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

You only admitted after you were already caught. That is not anything to boast about, Jon.


Yes, you invested your life savings in it. And it failed. And you were left with over $300,000 in debt from that. And yet, you had the capital to immediately start up another business? Your last post as Atomic Rex was in February 2012. Your last time being logged in under that name was in September 2012. But your facebook page for Minotaur Racing was created on JUNE 14, 2012. In March of that year, you were still operating as Atomic Rex, as shown in the emails you and I traded that month. But less than 3 months later, with all these big personal issues you said you had, plus getting shafted by all these people and other companies, and losing your life savings....you STILL had the means to start up the brand new company less than 3 months later??

And that's only these two companies we're talking about. You have been shown to be the "director" of no less than 8 companies in recent years. You always have the capital and the means to set up these companies, and when they go under, you walk away and simply start over.

OR, you could have simply told the truth, no drama needed. And you could have faced whatever came from that like a man instead of playing this game.

But I guess thats my fault too, right Jon?:lol:


wow...I'm gonna call BS all over this one. You started this new company in June 2012, according to your facebook page. You signed up on here with the new name in August 2012. And still you have done NOTHING to date to "make amends". You got called out on the lies, and since then you have had little choice but to admit. But this guy still has no refund or parts in his hand. He's had some talk, but nothing more. You were signed up on this forum under the new name for A WHOLE YEAR before one word was posted from Minotaur about ahmed. So dont come with this story about how you came here to make amends....it took being called out before you said anything, and even then, what you DID finally say was pure BS!

If I was going to just ban you, dont you think I would have just done it already? seriously....???


Allowing our members to access "the parts you make" is not my primary concern. Protecting them from a guy who has been caught in more than one lie up to this point is. "The parts you make" is your concern. Dont think or pretend for even a second that the parts you make will cause us to look the other way with the way you have acted. You are not the first guy to come along with nice shiny parts that didnt last here. And thats not because we are trying to get rid of people either--there are rules you need to abide by when being listed as a vendor here. and you are not following them.


And before that, you were a small business looking to ignore the complaints for two years plus about failed promises That business was dissolved, with nearly $350,000.00 in outstanding debt. And before THAT, you were a small business that dealt with audio or visual recording equipment. And Atom290 was dissolved....with about $45,000.00 in outstanding debt. And you were ALSO Nimmerdor Health Consulting Limited. This company was dissolved as well, just this past January, with outstanding debt of about $65,000.00 as of May 2012.

All told, Jon, you are on record as having been a director for no less than EIGHT such small businesses in the last 14 years. Of those, only one company is still active, and that's Minotaur. Now, I'm hopeful that you get better each time, but your track record is not helping you out on this.

Ya gotta love this....a kangaroo court? YOU CHOSE to break the rules here. YOU KNEW you were doing wrong. YOU KNEW you were being dishonest. YOU DID IT ANYWAY. And because you got called out on your dishonesty, that makes this a "kangaroo court"?

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well... I don't know what else to add... i still want my rack... :-/

I am wondering now if Jon/Dan will come through give me my rx7 rack and any other people that require their stuff although ive been the one waiting years now with this issue............................................. .