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12AMiata 08-20-13 06:22 AM

Slide Valve TB
 
Does anyone know who makes a slide valve throttle body or where to purchase one? Any help would be appreciated.

Grant M 08-22-13 03:43 PM

Defined auto works

12AMiata 08-24-13 10:00 AM

I checked their site but didn't find anything but I did find a factor MFR slide valve from an old friend but thanks anyways Grant.

12AMiata 08-31-13 10:21 AM

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Here's the unit I picked up for $200. It was designed for mechanical injectors but I have designed the parts to make it work with electric injectors and a TPS. I will post more as I make progress for anyone interested.

12AMiata 08-31-13 10:56 AM

I just realized I posted this in the wrong section. Admins feel free to move it.

diabolical1 08-31-13 02:33 PM

those are genuine MFR throttles? for $200? somehow that sounds like a steal to me. congrats.

definitely interested in seeing what you do with them.

12AMiata 09-01-13 06:57 AM

The guy I got it from has had this thing sitting around since the 80's from when he used to be crew chief for Dave Kent of Kent racing. Yeah, when he told me $200 dollars I about had an orgasm since I have been looking at butterfly style TB's for close to $1000. This will take a bit of work and cost to convert but should be worth it.

Rub20B 09-13-13 02:55 AM

damn, what a steal.. if you find another one for even double of that let me know!

can you take some pics of the inside?

12AMiata 09-14-13 08:38 PM

I will next time I'm at my shop.

rotaryjunkee 09-20-13 11:09 AM

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12AMiata 09-21-13 10:47 AM

Sorry there have been no updates. Been busy building engines and a run in stand, getting ready for the enduro here in Portland and the 25 hrs at Thunderhill.

12AMiata 10-02-13 08:29 PM

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So here are the pics of the insides.

12AMiata 10-02-13 08:30 PM

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And 2 more.

Rub20B 10-03-13 04:09 AM

looks to be from the ages where cnc was obscure =) how much clearance is there between the silde and the lower body?

12AMiata 10-03-13 08:04 AM

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There's about .oo6" clearance. Are you looking at making one? I modeled it up in Solidworks. Here's what I have so far but need to add some final details.

Rub20B 10-04-13 03:41 AM

I always wanted to make one but I had a different bearing system in mind. oval milled slots in the baseplate in which a piece of aluminum would precisely fit, this would hold a small roller bearing, and would have a screw on the bottomside to set the clearance..

but if it works this way its ofcourse much easier to make, but much harder to fix the clearance or to adjust when wear occurs.. I would only be a bit worried that the bearings would end up at one side? but maybe I am thinking too much :p

12AMiata 10-06-13 08:48 AM

I think you're over thinking it but you could use a piece of feeler gauge material to adjust the clearance but this would only adjust the clearance between the slider plate and the upper and lower housings since the housings are machined to accept the slider plate and there would be no way to adjust this space.

12AMiata 01-10-14 06:32 AM

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I haven't had much time to work on the slide valve TB but I did get a little time to model some preliminary adjustable air trumpets. Haven't worked out how I will operate this yet but working on the idea. Here are a couple of pics.

12AMiata 01-10-14 06:35 AM

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Added a couple of jpg's

Rub20B 01-10-14 06:44 AM

Nice.. is that a plenum, or is there an air filter in there? Do you think there will be enough hood clearance with the turmpets at max length?

'You dont perhaps know a 13B MFR intake manifold for a IDA lying around dont you?

12AMiata 01-11-14 06:54 AM

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That's just the air box. The filter will be mounted elsewhere. As far as hood clearance goes, this will be mounted horizontally on top of the engine as shown in the pic.

I'm thinking of using a stepper motor for the the trumpets and run the motor off of engine rpm signal. I'm not an electronics guy so any help with this would be appreciated.

Negative on the MFR 13b manifold.

Rub20B 01-11-14 01:19 PM

Hmm, wont the intake be a bit on the long side this way? The length for peak torque at 9-10k is shorter according to the intake system from the le mans 26b.. For controlling using a stepper motor you will need some additional control system. If you want to use it in open loop you also must be sure that the motor is strong enouh and the trumpet cannot jam a bit as then then the 0 point is lost. Basicly in open loop you know how much steps there are from end to end, then at ign on you do this amount of steps to one side, this way you are sure the trumpet is at an end position. Easier might be to use a RC servo, it works closed loop and has the motor driver built in. You just need a rpm based pwm signal, this can come from an ecu or from a simple analog circuit using a f/v convertor and some opamps or 555.

12AMiata 01-31-14 07:36 AM

For anyone interested, I found a couple of Slide Valve TB's. One is a used MFR part for $1000 and the other is a brand new copy of the MFR unit for $1900. Both are 48mm and have a Weber IDA bolt pattern. If your interested drop me a pm.

12AMiata 01-31-14 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rub20B (Post 11657191)
Hmm, wont the intake be a bit on the long side this way? The length for peak torque at 9-10k is shorter according to the intake system from the le mans 26b.. For controlling using a stepper motor you will need some additional control system. If you want to use it in open loop you also must be sure that the motor is strong enouh and the trumpet cannot jam a bit as then then the 0 point is lost. Basicly in open loop you know how much steps there are from end to end, then at ign on you do this amount of steps to one side, this way you are sure the trumpet is at an end position. Easier might be to use a RC servo, it works closed loop and has the motor driver built in. You just need a rpm based pwm signal, this can come from an ecu or from a simple analog circuit using a f/v convertor and some opamps or 555.

Yes you are correct. Decided to mount the TB in a different location rather on top of the engine.

Rub20B 01-31-14 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by 12AMiata (Post 11670290)
For anyone interested, I found a couple of Slide Valve TB's. One is a used MFR part for $1000 and the other is a brand new copy of the MFR unit for $1900. Both are 48mm and have a Weber IDA bolt pattern. If your interested drop me a pm.

does the mfr one come with the mfr manifold that bolts to mfr housings?


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