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Richard L 07-25-09 07:16 AM

A new generation of water/methanol tank design ...
 
From time to time, someone from somewhere will come up with something good... Jeff at Howertion Engineering has come up with something truly GREAT! A new approach of to metal tank designed for the water injection community. Two 4-quart tanks are strapped side-by-side to minimise water surging problems due to the small footprint on the lower side of the tank.

He has combined plastic and metal together to produce a corrosion free water/methanol tank system encased in a sturdy 2mm aluminium shell, he has also made rooms for the water pump, level sensor and other peripherals. The assembly is free of wires and hoses except at the point of exit and entry.

The tank has also a series of cleverly positoned highpower leds (any colour) for illuminating the entire tank contents. A virtual light-bar gives instant display of water/methanol level inside the tank.


maac0953 07-25-09 07:26 AM

its ok. its not for me though but its good simple idea:icon_tup:

Richard L 07-25-09 11:59 AM

These tanks can be used for any other makes of water injectoion systems. It is not designed for Aquamist system used only. Visit their site and see other designs.

I posted this becuase they are really making a great effort to address the tidyness problem associated with the water tank assembly.

The tank can be purchased in unpaint state (natural alumimium), cost much less.

HDP 07-26-09 08:05 AM

Looks nice but for a race setup, tank tidyness wouldn't be an issue. Just use a fuel cell. On the other hand, for a street/daily car, it's still just a big aluminum box taking up trunk space. I would like to see something incorporated for street cars that will not be seen. A spare tire well tank, or rocker panel tank, or bumper tank... you get the idea, something hidden and would appear as if intergrated in the car from the factory.

aqmist 07-26-09 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by HDP (Post 9382725)
Looks nice but for a race setup, tank tidyness wouldn't be an issue. Just use a fuel cell. On the other hand, for a street/daily car, it's still just a big aluminum box taking up trunk space. I would like to see something incorporated for street cars that will not be seen. A spare tire well tank, or rocker panel tank, or bumper tank... you get the idea, something hidden and would appear as if intergrated in the car from the factory.

Check the web site for images of the custom setup for fuel cells. They have also have AN fittings so stainless lines can be used right up to the jets.

For something hidden it would most likely need to be make and model specific, which means going on location for fabrication design and work or handy skills and tools at home.

darkphantom 07-26-09 10:53 AM

/\ everything is in the box

maac0953 07-26-09 10:58 AM

we know its in the box.duh:icon_no2:

but we dont want to see the damm box. it look like a mini refrigerator.:lol:

Richard L 07-26-09 11:12 AM

I post this up for general consumption, food for thought.

It is always nice to have something designed specially for a certain make and model of a car. Until there is a reasonable demand, it is just not commercially viable. a tire well, bumper fitted tank etc are ideal but not too universal. It is however is very good idea.

I see this tank assembly design is more than just a "tidying up" exercise. Addressing all the usual problems associated with sloshing, pump mount and level indication, all in one. I don't think commercial gain was the orignal reason for designing this tank system, but a pure engineering solution.

I think the designer couild do with some encourgement for making this product available.

HDP 07-26-09 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Richard L (Post 9382976)
I post this up for general consumption, food for thought.

It is always nice to have something designed specially for a certain make and model of a car. Until there is a reasonable demand, it is just not commercially viable. a tire well, bumper fitted tank etc are ideal but not too universal. It is however is very good idea.

I see this tank assembly design is more than just a "tidying up" exercise. Addressing all the usual problems associated with sloshing, pump mount and level indication, all in one. I don't think commercial gain was the orignal reason for designing this tank system, but a pure engineering solution.

I think the designer couild do with some encourgement for making this product available.

Spare tire tank would be more universably viable than that design. Spare tire subwoofer enclosures come to mind. Nearly every car uses a similar sized "doughnut" spare tire which probably has already been removed by performance minded enthusiats. And if it has not been removed and the owner has stepped up to AI level of performance, it should be and colud be replaced with "system" that would fit in that new found space. I commend the designer of this enclosed system and for some, this might be an excellent solution.

Richard L 07-26-09 02:59 PM

Any contribution will be greatly accepted. I pass it onto Jeff.

There are issues with over-squared tank becuase it requires some baffle design internally to stop water from sloshing. Fabricating work included welding (metal or plastic) will add to the cost. Investing on a blow or injection moulding tool could prove costly. Although is more desirable at the final selling price, provided the sales are in the thousands to 10s thousands-up region.

Here is an example where someone paid just under a 1000 dollars for the fabrication work.

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/forum/gallery/audi/kit.jpg

http://www.aquamist.co.uk./forum/gallery/audi/2.jpg

Richard L 07-26-09 03:16 PM

I have nearly forgotten posting the dimensions. Judging from the height, it might well be able to fit nicely into the tire well.

Height dimension does not include the caps.


Richard L 07-27-09 08:07 AM

I have just received some pictures of a fully loaded version for ther HFS-6 before it is shipped. The box is black. See the amount of hoses and wires inside before the cover is put on.


stylEmon 07-27-09 12:05 PM

good idea, but my rear bin facilitates the exact same thing as this concept, expect I get a bigger tank...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lg...s400/rx185.jpg

Richard L 07-27-09 12:15 PM

You can alway put a feeder tank above the main assembly to increase the capacity.

Jeff at Howerton Engineering also sells this tank of yours. He is the guy who designed the above tank system.

HDP 07-27-09 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Richard L (Post 9383329)
Any contribution will be greatly accepted. I pass it onto Jeff.

There are issues with over-squared tank becuase it requires some baffle design internally to stop water from sloshing. Fabricating work included welding (metal or plastic) will add to the cost. Investing on a blow or injection moulding tool could prove costly. Although is more desirable at the final selling price, provided the sales are in the thousands to 10s thousands-up region.

Here is an example where someone paid just under a 1000 dollars for the fabrication work.

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/forum/gallery/audi/kit.jpg

http://www.aquamist.co.uk./forum/gallery/audi/2.jpg


$1000???!!?? Why was the cost so great?

darkphantom 07-27-09 04:12 PM

im sorry but anything like that and using silicone hoses is asking for trouble.

I did a custom job with mines
aquamist controller
cooling mist injector with lines & pump
snow performance tank with level sensor

Richard L 07-27-09 04:51 PM

It is a time consuming job to make a one-off tank system for a specific car. The seller needs to make profit and allow certain amount of discount to the trade buyers. Adding all those factors together, 1000 dollars is very reasonable.

A wheel-well fuelcell by ATL will cost you around $2500.00 -5000.00, easy. The above tank assembly goes between $270-320 (fully-loaded). Affordable for most AI users.

Richard L 07-27-09 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by darkphantom (Post 9385326)
im sorry but anything like that and using silicone hoses is asking for trouble.

I did a custom job with mines
aquamist controller
cooling mist injector with lines & pump
snow performance tank with level sensor

The well-well tank above uses nylon lines, not silicon.

You have a good mixtures of goodies :)

Richard L 08-01-09 05:02 AM

As water/methanol injection is becoming more technical and main-stream, some track racing series are now permitting it. As usual, safety rules become more demanding. Howerton Engineering has developed a full range of fuel cell with AN fittings (braided lines) for the aquamist system.

Jeff, the owner of HE, energineering trained has vast knowledge of the aquamist product especially the HFS-xx water injection range. We have worked together since the beginning of this year, productionise a range of brand new specialist aquamist accessories to the public where normally not available to the public.


Howard Coleman 08-02-09 09:13 AM

neat stuff beautifully designed... lots of good ideas.

howard

Richard L 08-03-09 02:40 PM

Jeff has put a great deal of thought into this project. I will pass on your compliments.

jkstill 08-04-09 07:36 PM

More negative comments than I expected to see on this.

Personally, I like it. A nice clean design.

I especially like hiding the wiring. That's the messy looking part of my trunk mount install.

Richard L 08-05-09 03:31 AM

I have seen so many install over the years, if someone can design something that tidies all the wires, relay, tubes etc, it is going at the right direction.

May be I have overstated my excitment and encourage negative comments. All comments are useful.

HDP 08-05-09 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by jkstill (Post 9403739)
More negative comments than I expected to see on this.

Personally, I like it. A nice clean design.

I especially like hiding the wiring. That's the messy looking part of my trunk mount install.

Not necessarily negative, just something you would see in an all-out race car and not exactly what we would want in our street car.

Richard L 12-26-09 04:52 AM

Another variation of truck mounted tank idea, this one is totally stealth.

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/forum/gall...rton/bmw1s.jpg

You can see the rest from here.


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