I am using the Autronic Ford EEIV valve that the Autronic dealers sell.

Wow, i did not know Autronic ECU has such a bad rep . Is the SM4 such a bad ecu ?
So if i wanted a Autronic ECU with the auto-tune feature and will support 2-3 Rotor applications . How would i go about doing so ? Any input would be great ?

Damn this Ray Hall sounds like a dick ...may be someone should go take it out his ass ....

I have never used an Autronic on a rotary engine, only piston engines, and it has always been really good. No issues at all.
I was going to get the SM4 for my s6, but after reading all this... Either stay with Microtech, or start research on the AEM EMS.

Do you guys have any input on the AEM EMS? Pros/cons?

How much is it , can you set me up with one ?.

I have no other problem with the ECU , I think its great and it will serve me well . I autotune / staging figure the problem was an over sight that would eventually be corrected , but the way Mr ASS HALL , Lord Of The Forum is dealing with us , his customers is the real problem here !!!

Anyone switch around the injectors to get the Autotune to work yet ??.

Yeah ... If Microtech can get out their LTX16 with auto-tune , most of Autronic buyers might jump over .

Want Input. Goto www.microtech-efi.com

If you guys are not smart enough to use a real computer or cant' afford to pay someone experienced to install/tune it for you then just goto the link above.

Bit harsh but generaly true ^^^

Have ordered 3 SM4 upgraded map ECU's for various jobs, will give an update as to function very soon.

Yeah i know pete but it's getting old and annoying to hear shit from people who have no clue.

Anyhow if you need any help with the sm4's let me know.

Will do, updated order to 4 SM4's, CDI and a B model meter...... got onto a very helpfull and knowledgable man here but if were stuck will give you a buzz for sure.

Using external map sensors and going to use the onbaord for barometric compensation, all other sensor inputs will in two car cases come from high quality STACK dash inputs....... will let you know how we go.

Ray missed out on a BIG order LOL ...... cunt of a man !

Anyone ??

Haven't tried it yet.

I have been kicking around doing a Hinson LS1 swap....

WTF do you mean by that ?

The Autronic ECU does NOT have a bad rep. The autotune rotary issue is a result of the way the software within the ECU determines whether the engine is in overun or not, and because of the way the injectors are customarily wired on Autronic equipped rotary engines.

When you enter the AutoTune mode in the tuning software, the program looks at a number of permissives to determine whether or not it is safe to allow AutoTuning to take place. It looks at the coolant temp, charge temp, IAC temp, RPM, trigger errors, etc to see if anything is outside the alarm limits that the user has selected. It even looks to see if the engine is in over-run (i.e. the engine coasting down on a closed throttle under braking, etc.) It does so by looking at the #1 injector. Under small loads, the secondary injectors (wired as #1) are just along for the ride, and the ECU mistakes that as meaning the entire engine is coasting/over-run. Again, this is due to the customary method of wiring injectors on the Autronic ECUs:

Injector 1: Rotor 1 Secondary
Injector 2: Rotor 1 Primary
Injector 3: Rotor 2 Secondary
Injector 4: Rotor 2 Primary

OR

1 & 5 Secondary 1
2 & 6 Primary 1
3 & 7 Secondary 2
4 & 8 Primary 2

In either of these cases, the #1 injector is a SECONDARY injector which is not going to do much of anything until the engine is under some real load/rpm. The ECU sees it doing nothing or < required threshold in order to say the engine is NOT in over-run. The OVER-RUN permissive is not given, and the program will not enter AutoTune mode.

The solution is to either swap the injector pins in the harness and change the values in the injector trim tables (this you can do yourself, requires no changes on behalf of Autronic) or perhaps a software update will allow you to select which injector output the ECU looks at to determine over-run state (rather than the current default of inj. #1, which would require re-writing the software and is not a super critical issue.)

Even though they cost a little more than other ECUs popular on rotary engines, the Autronic ECU is a very good value. The typical popular ECUs used on rotary engines quite honestly are a sad joke compared to Autronic. I've got Autronic in one of my cars, and MoTeC in the other, and I honestly prefer using the Autronic. At a fraction of the cost, it's a no-brainer, and I'll never outgrow it.


I don't think Ray considers himself a tough guy. If you want to impress or intimidate Ray, design, produce, and market a product superior to his. Go ahead, there's your homework. . . . get back to us when you're ready to rumble. :rolleyes:

Everybody has a different personality. Peter doesn't like Ray Hall. . . . sorry to hear that. Ray Hall hates my guts (why, I don't know.) Whether you like Ray or not, he's the International Distributor and primary source of support for myself and the rest of the Autronic dealers. If you are an Autronic user, odds are that eventually you'll need something from Ray. It's a lot better idea to not burn your bridges before you've even SEEN them. If you get an Autronic ECU on your car, and for whatever reason have a legitimate beef with Ray, take it up with him personally. Talking bad about somebody you don't know (not talking to you, Peter, so just chill) is silly. Whether or not you want to nominate Ray for "Man of the Year" is irrelivant to the quality and value of Autronic products. It's damn good stuff. . . . try it, and you'll like it!!!!! :)




NOTE: Rotary wiring info as contributed by ENZO (Autronic rotary guru) on the Autronic support forum

Yes Autronic is indeed fantasitic, well my B model meter played up first day I opened it up NTK L1H1 or loom has a problem? *reads 9.0:1 after warm up* then reads OK then goes to 35:1 @ idle !!! (but thats just my luck I suppose) but it works great on the LSM11... Its good having a dealer (not Ray) that is there to help and be "non emotional" and start a pissing match when people ask legitimate questions or have real problems.

I am sure he is a talented person, people skills is not one of his strong points... so far as needing him? Well no need when you can talk through another dealer straight to the creater of the product within minutes instead of having to go through his shitty forum or worse still e-mail him or heaven forbid need to call (of which I have had to endure all of).

Enzo is a talented man so to are you Brian from what I have seen, Autronic is a great product and does some amazing things that other units cant, and this will stay above any one individual no matter who they think they are ;)

Mm...i see . So the reason for the Autronic not to go into autotune with a rotary engine was that it was using the secondary inj on the first rotor was the input for over-run state. I did not know that . I thought you could have set which inj as the primaries/defaults. How would you go about swapping the inj pin settings ? By changing the inj 1&2 on the ecu to primary inj for the 1st and 2nd rotors ?
Thanks for the information .

As for the remark on Ray Hall , you are right . I should give him a chance . I will leave the remarks to the people that have dealt with him . They do have some great products....ie ; 500R cdi box and the autotune feature on their ecus

As for Enzo ...he is the man for your Autronic needs ... He told me the 500R could be juiced to pump out all the current/amps you need :D

You can set which injector outputs are primaries and secondaries. . . . by how you build the wiring loom. :) Once the loom is built, it's not difficult to release the pins within the ECU connector, pull them out of the connector shell, and swap wires/pins between the primaries and secondaries. Once you've got the base fuel table set up correctly, you could go and switch back to the standard wiring configuration if you feel that there is a benefit in doing so. Once it's tuned, you can change the A/F ratio targets, and the ECU will make the necessary changes in fuel scheduling on it's own. Very powerful stuff, Autronic ECUs.

It's pretty easy, actually. You'll have to use a very small flat-head screwdriver or a safety pin, etc, to release the little finger that locks the pin inside the connector, then you simply pull the wire/pin out. No problem. . . just don't man-handle the connector or pin, it doesn't require a kung-fu grip to take apart. If it's not coming apart easily, you're not doing something quite right. Look at it closer, and try again.

Look, Ray's an alright guy from my experience. He's got a lot on his plate, and actually does provide a lot of support to us dealers, considering he's just ONE guy. I say cut him a little slack. If you have a personal problem with him, deal with him directly. He puts his pants on the same way we all do, let's not dump on him lest we want to be dumped on ourselves.

Enzo's not the only Autronic dealer here. . . ha ha ha. . . . spread the love a little over here too, eh? The 500R has enough primary circuit output to effectively kill you if you're not careful. Turning it up will kill you and put a hole in your skin. :( Be very careful!

Mmm....hows the SM4 going ? I went to the website to look up some documention, i.e;wiring diagrams or flow charts, for it ... guess what ... none at all . Do you have any i can see ;) hehe....

They are on back order, I'll update once landed.

I dont have any info so can only rely on what turns up from Autonic directly or my dealer, either way stay tuned.

:D
you do just hate it when you wait for your new toys and they are late ;)

I am a recent addition to the autronic dealer lineup as well, and I will be doing a sm4 in a fd over the next couple of weeks. I will let you all know how it works out. As for questions and pricing just pm me and I will do my best to find the answers, but bear with me as I am very new to this product...

Justin
www.alienauto.com

Replacement B model meter is on its way, NTK and harness checked out OK on their own B model while on engine dyno...so looks like I got a dud :( oh well see what happens with new unit and hopefully SM4's not too far away either :)

yummy :)

Well my new B-model meter arrives tommorrow, the old one had a dry solder joint (first one in 2000 meters apparantly?) cant help bad luck I suppose ;)

Will recieve a thorough test all day sat getting a supra ready for comp on sunday :)