Adaptronic Haltech acquires Adaptronic
07-02-18, 11:43 AM
#4
Haltech is using its resources as the new owners to prop the Adaptronic brand up.
Software & firmware updates will come much faster, as Andy will no longer be doing paper work. Believe it or not, but 80+% of Andy's time was spent doing business things, and not software development. The rest of Haltech's engineers will also be on tap to help with Adaptronic software/firmware etc.
We can all expect more and faster updates, and more inventory on hand( goal is no more back orders).
We have been in meetings with Haltech for the past month, as the owner here, Elliot, also owned part of Adaptronic( alongside Andy).
07-02-18, 12:55 PM
#6
From a purely hardware standpoint, how do the Adaptronic Modular units stack up against the Haltech Elite line-up?
As regards to processing power, RAM, etc
I'm assuming the Adaptronic Modular units are more capable, and I'm hoping they end up being pushed as an "upper model" Haltech once the software is up to par.
As regards to processing power, RAM, etc
I'm assuming the Adaptronic Modular units are more capable, and I'm hoping they end up being pushed as an "upper model" Haltech once the software is up to par.
07-02-18, 01:35 PM
#7
I don't imagine much will change in terms of software and hardware updates for this next month, and there is still a lot of settling in to do.
Currently we are working on an Rx8 S1 firmware update, and some updates for the cosmo 3 rotor OEM ignition system.
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07-03-18, 05:12 PM
#8
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
From a purely hardware standpoint, how do the Adaptronic Modular units stack up against the Haltech Elite line-up?
As regards to processing power, RAM, etc
I'm assuming the Adaptronic Modular units are more capable, and I'm hoping they end up being pushed as an "upper model" Haltech once the software is up to par.
As regards to processing power, RAM, etc
I'm assuming the Adaptronic Modular units are more capable, and I'm hoping they end up being pushed as an "upper model" Haltech once the software is up to par.
Exciting news. I really hope this helps Adaptronic succeed without taking away from Haltech's success. Software still has far too many hiccups and display issues. It's time SOMEONE pulled a few strings and got it out of a Beta state.
Last edited by RGHTBrainDesign; 07-03-18 at 05:15 PM.
07-03-18, 08:27 PM
#10
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
What's more important is how the boards are configured in regards to extensive heat and power testing, and of course input/output configurations. I don't think either Haltech or Adaptronic are lacking in these, although you do have to use quite a few modules on an M6000 to match their "advertised features" which quickly drives price up. The only downside to the Haltech Elite 2500 is at least for some you'd need an I/O Box attachment.
07-04-18, 11:29 AM
#11
But in reality, I'm sure haltech will bring good things to the ECU, however they wont allow it to become a technical equivilant to their flagship line. This just further verifies that the haltech should be the choice. By the sounds of it, its going to be MONTHS until the adaptronic gets any firmware or software support, which has been clearly marked as the problem. Its still an product-in-process.
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07-10-18, 11:16 AM
#13
If I had to bet, Adaptronic will be writing software and using common hardware with Haltech in the future. They have to have a multi year business plan that makes sense.
It's really the software controls (the maps and tables in the ECU) that are what differentiate the ECUs from each other today. They all offer X number of outputs and flight data recorders and CAN buses etc etc. If Haltech and Adaptronic want to get into for example driving multi event direct injection and electric wastegates, two common technologies today, they need to share hardware costs and focus on good controls.
It's really the software controls (the maps and tables in the ECU) that are what differentiate the ECUs from each other today. They all offer X number of outputs and flight data recorders and CAN buses etc etc. If Haltech and Adaptronic want to get into for example driving multi event direct injection and electric wastegates, two common technologies today, they need to share hardware costs and focus on good controls.
Last edited by arghx; 07-10-18 at 11:18 AM.
07-17-18, 02:52 PM
#15
I've seen a few software acquisitions in my career. The way this goes is...
1) Short term -- keep existing customers happy and all employees working on whatever they were working on before until dust settles and finances stabilize
2) Medium term -- cherry pick what you want from the smaller company and apply that technology and/or resources to the main product line.
3) Long term -- drop support for all products that pre-date the acquisition -- backward compatibility? Nope.
Something new is brewing and if you can wait a year, maybe 18 months, you'll be rewarded with a superior product that hits the market. I think this is great news for both companies, but I think existing customers will see the value of their currently installed products drop rapidly as support becomes harder to find and tuners move on to the latest and greatest offerings. If you have a vehicle running an older or existing product, it's likely the new wave of software won't support it. Jump forward 5-10 years when you go to sell that car, it's as good as a shell to someone else that doesn't know the old software or cannot obtain a copy of drivers that will work. That's where the old forum comes in. It was a catalog of questions and answers that provide value to those older products the same way this forum provides value to older Mazdas. New comers aren't afraid of taking the plunge into rotary ownership when they have decades of information on a website they can pour through to find the answers they need to get their cars running. If Haltech doesn't get that old Adaptronic forum up and running, I may never buy one of their products again (under either name). It shows they aren't committed to the long term success of their products.
1) Short term -- keep existing customers happy and all employees working on whatever they were working on before until dust settles and finances stabilize
2) Medium term -- cherry pick what you want from the smaller company and apply that technology and/or resources to the main product line.
3) Long term -- drop support for all products that pre-date the acquisition -- backward compatibility? Nope.
Something new is brewing and if you can wait a year, maybe 18 months, you'll be rewarded with a superior product that hits the market. I think this is great news for both companies, but I think existing customers will see the value of their currently installed products drop rapidly as support becomes harder to find and tuners move on to the latest and greatest offerings. If you have a vehicle running an older or existing product, it's likely the new wave of software won't support it. Jump forward 5-10 years when you go to sell that car, it's as good as a shell to someone else that doesn't know the old software or cannot obtain a copy of drivers that will work. That's where the old forum comes in. It was a catalog of questions and answers that provide value to those older products the same way this forum provides value to older Mazdas. New comers aren't afraid of taking the plunge into rotary ownership when they have decades of information on a website they can pour through to find the answers they need to get their cars running. If Haltech doesn't get that old Adaptronic forum up and running, I may never buy one of their products again (under either name). It shows they aren't committed to the long term success of their products.
07-17-18, 05:37 PM
#16
I've seen a few software acquisitions in my career. The way this goes is...
1) Short term -- keep existing customers happy and all employees working on whatever they were working on before until dust settles and finances stabilize
2) Medium term -- cherry pick what you want from the smaller company and apply that technology and/or resources to the main product line.
3) Long term -- drop support for all products that pre-date the acquisition -- backward compatibility? Nope.
Something new is brewing and if you can wait a year, maybe 18 months, you'll be rewarded with a superior product that hits the market. I think this is great news for both companies, but I think existing customers will see the value of their currently installed products drop rapidly as support becomes harder to find and tuners move on to the latest and greatest offerings. If you have a vehicle running an older or existing product, it's likely the new wave of software won't support it. Jump forward 5-10 years when you go to sell that car, it's as good as a shell to someone else that doesn't know the old software or cannot obtain a copy of drivers that will work. That's where the old forum comes in. It was a catalog of questions and answers that provide value to those older products the same way this forum provides value to older Mazdas. New comers aren't afraid of taking the plunge into rotary ownership when they have decades of information on a website they can pour through to find the answers they need to get their cars running. If Haltech doesn't get that old Adaptronic forum up and running, I may never buy one of their products again (under either name). It shows they aren't committed to the long term success of their products.
1) Short term -- keep existing customers happy and all employees working on whatever they were working on before until dust settles and finances stabilize
2) Medium term -- cherry pick what you want from the smaller company and apply that technology and/or resources to the main product line.
3) Long term -- drop support for all products that pre-date the acquisition -- backward compatibility? Nope.
Something new is brewing and if you can wait a year, maybe 18 months, you'll be rewarded with a superior product that hits the market. I think this is great news for both companies, but I think existing customers will see the value of their currently installed products drop rapidly as support becomes harder to find and tuners move on to the latest and greatest offerings. If you have a vehicle running an older or existing product, it's likely the new wave of software won't support it. Jump forward 5-10 years when you go to sell that car, it's as good as a shell to someone else that doesn't know the old software or cannot obtain a copy of drivers that will work. That's where the old forum comes in. It was a catalog of questions and answers that provide value to those older products the same way this forum provides value to older Mazdas. New comers aren't afraid of taking the plunge into rotary ownership when they have decades of information on a website they can pour through to find the answers they need to get their cars running. If Haltech doesn't get that old Adaptronic forum up and running, I may never buy one of their products again (under either name). It shows they aren't committed to the long term success of their products.
It'll be pretty obvious if Adaptronic is dead in the water - the forum won't come back with all the old info.