xs Power????
 

Who, on here can help me with knowing how durable or good are xs-power's wastegates and BOVs:dunno:

Not very. When it comes to stuff like wastegates, you really need to stick with namebrand products.

Wastegates will stick closed, BOV will leak under boost.

http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=180833

Say no to SS Autochrome, XS Power and other junk.

I had dual XS power BOVs on my 300zx, and they sounded fanstastic. I leak tested them before putting them on the car and had neither vaccuum or pressure leak.

I don't know if I would trust their wastegates though.

agreed

if you are looking for quality xs is not the way to go

i has XS turbo mani on my skyline and it was excellent, never had a problem with it, the quality of the welds were excellent

it's really a crap shoot. some of their products are decent but some are definate no-nos. Stay away from their turbos at all cost!


the ICs are pretty good and a lot of guys run them. The single mani sees to be ok, also. A few run them.

Never heard of anyone complain or praise their BOVs or WAstegates. just my .02$

I've seen thier manifolds crumble on my friends miata

It doesn't matter whether they work or not.....Don't buy knockoff shit. It just hurts the aftermarket industry. If you can't buy the real stuff, save your money until you can.

Everybody should do yourself a favor and read this...
http://datruthcometh.blogspot.com/20...-holidays.html

i have their exhaust... it came with the car but it sounds real good and doesnt leak or anything, i like it
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t.../fdtune002.jpg

It's pretty hard to screw up an exhaust. Pipe + Cannister = Exhaust :lol:

you do know that xspower is part of that "aftermarket industry"... right?

i don't know about everyone else but if it works, then use it. :dunno: That goes for ALL products from EVERY company. So for me, it is about whether it works or not. That kinda seems important to me.

anyone who has worked in the aftermarket industry can tell you that many 'real stuff' items are from the exact same factories as the 'knockoffs'. I suspect fluidyne radiators of this for example.
Also, many of those factories even sell their merchandise to OEMs. Rota Wheels is a goed example of this.

But still, a lot of XSpower products are a-ok, others aren't worth a damn.

I don't know about XS Power getting products from the same factories as the Namebrand stuff, but I think they've found a Chinese contractor who can come close with most of it. Exhausts, intercoolers, and intakes are hard to get wrong, but there are other parts that they make, like wastegates, that can completely FUBAR your car. And for what? Saving $100 isn't worth it in this case.

+1 I'll use a knock-off intercooler because there are no moving parts and if it fails, the worst thing that will happen is you'll have a massive boost leak. If a knock-off wastegate fails to open, you'll blow your motor.

Sure, they are a part of the aftermarket industry, but they are the part that is destroying it from within. Undercutting the companies who spend tons of money in R&D, by taking their product, copying it, and selling it for less. I would have to think that this makes the "good" companies less inclined to continue spending all their money on R&D, just to have it copied and renamed. (Have you seen some of the cars manufactured in China? They are ripoffs of entire cars made by another company....so as long as it works you support this?)

Not to mention that bad name that these companies give to other legitimate companies in the industry. XS Power and XS-Engineering is the best example of this. You would be surprised at how many people think that these two companies are one in the same, when clearly they are not.

So yeah...sure it works just fine, blah blah blah...but just remember, at the end of the day you are still contributing to the failure of good businesses who make quality parts.

Just pony up and buy Tial. They are the best out there, and they are 100% made in USA! When it comes to WG's and BOV's going cheap will cost you in the end.

Received this week end their exhaust. Didn't install it yet so no comment on the install but it looks damn good !!!
I can't believe I spent so few for this quality and look!

Now exhaust is no bov nor wastegate. Would I have to invest on these I'd go for brands for sure!

Doesn't leak ? What do you call that big opening at the end ? No wonder it doesn't leak it has no reason to.... there's plenty of room for exhaust to go.... :rlaugh: but I nderstand what you mean... no leaks that you can tell by the mounting flange to the mipipe

or chunks of (the very sparsly populated) cooling fins/ "turbulators" (I use the term extremely loosly for these intercoolers) could break off and get injested into your motor. You think the dude in the cave making $100/mo gives a rats ass about the quality or technique of the brazing process?

screw a gym membership, lets all lift knockoff 46 lbs bar and plate xs power intercoolers. :wallbash:

Anyone who cares enough about the Research and Development they do, will charge for it. If a company does not give a damn, then sure you can get cheap 100 dollar exhaust manifolds that will fall apart after a 1 year of use. If no body did any damn development for the chinaman junk, they would have no where to turn to/or no idea how to build a damn thing.

Its real enthusiasts/companies, whether the parts are good or not, that give the foundation for scam-artists.

The bar a plate intercooler are heavier period we all know that. Mine 12X24X4 weighs 22 lbs not sure where the 43 lb BS is coming from.

Spearco sells bar and plate and the one I have looks identical to a core a friend of mine had a couple years ago.

The 60mm waste gate has worked flawlessly at 22PSI and made 600rwhp on my built rb26. The blow off is also working fine with no leaking.

I would not run this waste gate or any other waste gate for that matter without a boost limiter setup just for safety’s sake. They all break sooner or later.

Manifolds falling apart??? Let’s talk about that. I have a greddy manifold right now that has been welded up at least 3 different times for cracks since new (less then 10 years). So let’s add it up. Greddy manifold 1000+ labor to tig weld it 3 times + 500.....knockoff manifold that lasts 1-2 years 150 bux. It cracks buy another.

I’m stony from fresh assholes I mean alloy. I did not go there or anywhere else to promote the knockoffs just share my experiences/luck.

So i take it you troll around on forums, and register to promote the stuff you choose to run, get a life. I said 46 lbs, i guess reading comprehension is not your friend. 1 post, nice. If all your knockoff companies do so much research and development, why do not they make a proper intercooler that is not an archaic bar and plate..thats right...the only reason they can knockoff is because real companies make products to copy.

You got your ass kicked by sean morris and eric hsu from XS engineering on freshalloy once already. You own an RB26 powered nissan, why are you on Rx7club just to "share your experiences" with 1 post?

Comprehension???? How bout reading my post again and the one at fresh assholes... I guess that includes you.... never promoted anything just shared my experiences. Never once did I tell anyone to buy the crap.

How bout you get off Sean and Erick’s Cocks long enough to stop acting like one of there wannabe cum guzzlin homo’s and come up with some of your own words. 43lbs 46 lbs it’s still BS…..

enjoy your ban, troll. I can understand buying products that don't have moving parts for the reasons mentioned. I wouldn't trust a wastegate or turbo though.

I have no problem paying a higher price for a better quality product that has significant R&D implimented. The problem, as I see it, is that it's designs that we've seen in traditional products with larger than required price tags. There's only a few ways to make an intercooler or an exhaust. Therefore, the "R&D" of these products are next to nothing, YET their prices do not drop -- in fact increase due to name recognition ONLY.

I know I'll probably get flamed for this but it's the aftermarket companies that charge 600+ for an exhaust or 1K+ for an intercooler that has had R&D done well over 15 years ago fault for not staying competative in an open global market. AND to top it off, they're probably not even the ones that did the initial R&D in the first place.


I buy products that I know 1) work 2) have a reputation for working and/or 3) are from "car specific stores" that are reputable for working within a car community. Whether it's a "knock off" of something else doesn't even enter into my mind. Nor should it.

People that make proper parts and do Research and development want to get paid for it. People that do not value their time, nor do they care about their customers, will rip you off.

It is a question of quality control more than anything else. Supposedly the XS power, SS Autochrome, E-Bay w/e parts are just as good. Then how does an ebay KA24DE - Turbo Stainless steel exhaust manifold rust? Why does the japanese aluminum weigh much less than the chinese w/e aluminum? Anyone can say their stuff is the best, when there is no governing or quality control body. It costs $2000- $2500 dollars for a good quality robotic TIG Welded Titanium exhaust. I have seen Ebay "Ti exhausts" weigh twice as much as a real autoselect titanium exhaust. How can that be...if it was all the same in a "global market"?

Where is the quality control? There are bad apples in every bunch. The lowest greddy intercoolers are bar and plate too, that is why you do not buy them. Picking and choosing is key to building a fast, reliable, quality car.

Sure, joe schmoe can go to seibon or vis to buy a knockoff SCOOT hood that fits for crap or is made with Carbon overlayed Fiberglass. A real SCOOT hood costs a ton more, but it provides much better benefits, and for one is wind-tunnel tested. No one has yet, 100 percent, copied a Scoot hood...why? Because research and dev. cannot be beaten

It is not a question of buying expensive JDM parts: Companies like OHLINS, ARAGOSTA, BREMBO, COMPTECH, FULL RACE whether european, american or japanese CHARGE $$$$ for quality parts. Can a name brand part fail? Sure! No one is perfect. But, no body is going to ditch their Lexus LS430 for a stupid, made in china shitbox because its about 40,000 dollars cheaper JUST BECAUSE IT DOES THE JOB.

That is the difference between a made in china ROTORA brake kit that has the rotors crack vs an AP Racing brake kit. If someone has to complain that real parts are too expensive and they cannot afford it, obviously they are in the wrong car or the wrong hobby.

http://datruthcometh.blogspot.com/index.html (WW) Scroll down.

For all the XS power lovers: http://jdm-insider.com/Blogs/Eric/?p=684

Well put Miata MX-5.

Just to add Tial is American made, might as well help out our shitty economy where you can.

people say that XS power stuff isnt very good. I have run XS power stuff and i have not had a problem! there seems to be a lot of 'snobbery' when it comes to aftermarket products and not everyone can / wants to pay for items that just arent good value for money. in the Uk it can cost £3000 for an HKS turbo while we can import an XS power one for £150. they both make similar boost etc and the power curves on the dyno are not dissimilar. If the oil seals go after a few thousand miles............ so what.... buy a new one. at those kind of savings you can afford to!!!

Not saying it will happen, if you want to risk the fins on the turbo snapping and flying off playing pinball in your engine, thats well over "3000 pounds" of damage. But as long as you understand that, its fine. It has happened to people i know that have run glued together XS turbo "turbo kits".:icon_tup: You can piece together a turbo kit with a garrett turbo for a lot less than 3000 pounds. Real turbos are not that $$$ anymore.

Have at it! You want to run a POS turbo that WILL FAIL be my guest, but don't expect any of us who actually build cars to support your idiocy. Oh, and when turbos fail they tend to take engines with them. But if you want be the next newbie crying about blowing your engine with ebay special-ed parts, have at it.

A turbo is definitely on the top of the DO NOT BUY list from XS Power. There are tons of horror stories relating to turbos exploding, splitting open, leaking, etc. etc. Intercoolers and exhausts are one thing, but engine critical parts like wastegates and turbos are something else.

Some of these people either need to own different cars are or in the wrong field/hobby :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

Certain companies are $$$, and have a good name FOR A REASON. There is a reason why manufacturers use turbos like IHI, and Garrett. If it was so cheap, everyone should run XS POWER. :lol:

ive used xs power 50 mm wastegate and was impressed with the results but dont really trust the blowoff valves but can personally vouch for the maniflods too!!!!

****ers here is your proof!!!

Chinese Made Turbo, wastegate and intercooler Dyno run. 450hp.

http://internetisseriousbusiness.com/yea!!!

I guess you think we're new. Up your game next time and put it in a tinyurl. To all others, this gentleman is trying to rickroll you and give you a popup tornado. Unless you ctrl+alt+del and end your browser process you will have to click every_single_one before you regain control of your browser.

Used properly- it's humorous, here- just stupid.

I find it amusingly ironic that this guy's website has ads all over it and has the nerve to complain about people being cheap.

practice what you preach and pony up the money for a site not hosted by geocities.





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Looks like this loser got his ass kicked on Freshalloy, and he is going to keep trolling around preaching his garbage "trying to share his experiences" on forum to forum untill someone bored gives him attention.

Eric Hsu owns XS ENGINEERING.

www.xs-engineering.com.

That was just his personal blog. I use photobucket for my business too. What point does that prove?

I joined this website a while ago because it was pretty cool and I enjoy rx-7s in general. What I don’t like and cant stand are mother fockers that dog and talk shit to people because they aren’t in line with your particular way of thinking.

So for those of you who didn’t jump on the band wagon with these fuks thanks. For those of you who felt it necessary to talk shit that’s cool to. I know your just trying to protect your over priced hi end product that is made in the same fuking part of the country that the Lo end knockoff shit is. See ya at the track!!!

You buy cheap you get cheap. There is a good reason why they don't cost as much and it's not because of a name brand. Cut corners if you like, for my FD only the best I can afford. It's something I don't have to worry about. Maybe if I had a Honda it would be different!

Nice language. :icon_no2: This forum/community is going down hill. Miata, since Rx-7s are dropping in price these young kids buy them with the little money they scrape together....then they can't afford quality parts and buy cheap crap. You know I agree with everything you post, we've talked about it before.