what do you think? 996 turbo vs FD
 

My friend has a 996 Turbo with the upgraded turbo package, and everything else is pretty much stock vs my FD with all bolt-ons running stock seq. around 14psi. What do you think the outcome will be like? I think he is about 450 crank hp 3600+ lbs vs my 350 rwhp 2700 lbs.

I took his car for a spin this afternoon when we went out for lunch, and that thing pulls really hard even on 5th gear. Not sure how the AWD performs from a highway roll, but from a dig, he would probably destroy me. We plan on doing a feel pulls next week, so I am just curious. Should be interesting...

i think the 996 weighs that mich

EDIT- just saw its awd.

With 350 rwhp, I think yu should take him. I believe someone posted a while back that they beat one with less power than you have. The 996 in the post I'm thinking about had the same turbo package as your friend's (xp250) or whatever it's called.

I beat a friend of mine's 996 X50 by a couple cars from a rolling 1st gear to 100 mph run. I was probably making 345-350 rwhp at the time.

as a fd owner and having driven many a 996 I'm not sure who would win on rolling drag race but the porsche would smoke you an a road course(if the driver where worth a shit).

Sounds like itd be a good race but I think hed win, I saw one at the track one day and he was pullin consistent 12s dead, with tiptronic he just put the e-brake on floored it and left it off when the tree dropped, the car did the rest.

-Andy

nice let us no how things go. sounds like a good race to me

I'd say you stand for a good race. AWD really means close to nothing on the highway besides added weight (extra diff/shaft/etc.) So I'd say, highway he's yours. From a dig, you're his bitch.

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if anything, weight is a bigger penalty on a road course

ever driven a 996tt?

are you ppl serious?

the 996tt is an absolute beast on the highway- it is NOTHING like an EVO/STI. i believe the factory rated top speed is near 190mph.

Ok smart ass name the last time a 3rd gen won any major road race...ok now name the last time a 996 did. No i'm not trying to rag on the FD cuz I realy like it but bottom line it is way out classed by the 996 not to mention out tire'd. by the way those are some nice show car trophy's :balls:

Bottom line is it traps in the 115mph range even with the X50 package. That will make for a good race with a 350rwhp FD.

They hit 200. Also depending on the track AWD can be a major advantage. Seen the Top Gear episode where the stig drives the carrera 4s around the tight stadium track faster than a normal carrera s?

-Andy

Dont give me wrong, the 996 is a beautiful car. However, we are coming just straight line speed here guys. I have no doubt it has much advanced tenology, and it also cost 4 times more than our FDs if not more. But I am just saying, I think it will be a fun race nontheless. This is my good friend, and he owns vipers, M3s, supras, and P-cars now. So I wont lose sleep over it if I lose, much respect for the car, but if I win, we show our 13+ yr old car still shines with the state of the art race car. We will see. But when I drove it, I think it hauls some serious ass on the highway.

well i woudlnt be surprised a modded FD won, but it was surprising that someone would think that the 996tt is terrible on the hwy :)

LOL...gotta love the fanboys here. I've seen a modded 996TT during a lapping day....I don't think a 360rwhp FD can beat it (different driving talent notwithstanding). However, I'm eagerly anticipating to see if a "very modded" 425rwhp one can catch that thingy...*so Omochi, when's the next event?*

I'd say on a road course my money would be on the 996tt, simply because it's a little more user-friendly than an FD, so it would be easier to go faster in. Now if it was a GT2 on the other hand...

In the end its about the driver.

Let me preface this by saying I owned an FD for about 5 years (and still clamor for another) and recently drove a 996 and 997 (for "work" related reasons). I drove a 996, 997 and an unnamed car about 3 weeks ago in Arizona. When in the 996 and 997 I was a little uncomfortable and could not push it. If I was in my FD, I'm pretty sure I would have timed better laps at our proving grounds - but I wasn't, so I got to drive like a grandma (albeit a crazy granny) in both the 996 and 997. It is a fun car, I wish I had more time in it...

To say the 996 is horrible on the hwy is really a bad comment. I don't even know how to respond to that haha.

If you are lucky he might be a poor driver =) You know what they say about Porsches... (Porsche, where the prick is on the inside). Haha, let me say that I know a few Porsche owners that are VERY skilled drivers, so it's just a joke. But either way, if you are both of equal skill it should make for a fun time. If the vehicles were both stock in this case, the 996 should be able to beat an FD handily.

I have a feeling you might lose this one, but props if you do.

I dont think I have ever won any races in my FD. I pretty much lost to most of the cars I raced. Supercharged C5 Z06, E46 M3 w/ 150 shot, IS300 w/ a PT-61, 966 TT etc. etc. Those are the fun races, and yes, these are some of the faster cars on the road. The outcome was great nontheless.

I raced a stock Porsche Turbo a bit over 3 years ago. I don't know which one it was. We were dead even from about 85 to around 140. I have about 300 rwhp @13 psi.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=237234

If this guys porsche is the same model, and is slightly modded, you will beat him.

I raced a brand new 911 Turbo (not sure if its the 996 or not i did'nt look) thats was seriously quick i'd guess low 12 seconds on a 1/4 easy, he smoked me off the lights and from 60-100 there was not alot in it. My car is 312rwhp.

I don't know where you guys are getting this "911 TT's outhandle FD's" ideas. Maybe a STOCK FD because of the 225/50/16 tires and tiny brakes, but if you've updated your FD to what is the modern standard (big brakes and 18" wheels), the platform is MORE than capable of delivering. It's lighter, and the suspension is as good or better.

We get it from real life experience with said vehicles. Seeing one lap around + seeing Chris Cox whoop ass in his ASP 996TT at SCCA's Packwood National Tour first hand. As good as the FD is it's no match for a much better developed vehicle unless it's modded heavily. When you said "updated your FD" there's so much variations that it makes it too vague to quantify. A stock FD w/ 18" will not do any better...it might be worse since the OEM damping and spring rate will be incorrectly calibrated w/ the higher unsprung weight. And a fat tire "should" require less camber so that more of the contact patch is flat on the ground...however, our camber curve + the roll from higher initial grip will cause the inside tire to "pickup" thus leaving less contact patch on the ground. Stuffing in avg dampers like JIC, Tein, etc will improve it somewhat but not be the end all solution. Additionally, bigger brakes will only assist with fade issues but that'll screw up your f-r brake balance...I know. And a bit more power will make it close but these other cars are tuned to run all day at their power levels. They are better cars. Heck, even the RX-8 has better chassis stiffness and suspension geometry than us.

But one can always mod the FD like crazy and get it better than the 996TT. However, that can be said for the Porsche too.