URGENT-What's better, R-1 or Touring??
 

Help, two cars! One is a '93 R-1 and one is '94 Touring. So which is better and why???

Thanks, Robbie.

Yes.

you tell us - you're the one looking at them. in all seriousness, there's not enough difference to be nitpicky on a car this old - get the one in better shape if that's what this post is all about.

and, this is urgent because.....?

You're only going to get opinions. It's just a matter of personal preferance.

R1's have:
- stiffer "sport" suspension
- a second oil cooler
- no sunroof
- no premium sound
- sway bar
- strut bar
- 5-speed transmission
- suade vinyl seats

There is no such thing as a '94 Touring. Tourings were only for the '93 model year. So I will assume you speak of a '94 PEP (Popular Equipment Package). If the owner INSISTS it's a Touring, then it's probably a '93 and not a '94. Anyways, a '94 PEP typically has:
- Bose premium sound system
- leather seats
- sunroof
- rear window wiper and sprayer
- MAY have no front lip spoiler
- MAY have an R1 spoiler
- MAY have an automatic transmission
FD's built after '93 also tend to be more reliable.

I guess it would boil down to how good of shape each car is individually. Statistically, both should run just as good. You'd have to weigh out what do you want: a newer model car, difference in miles on the odometer, etc.

R1 in my opinion is the "gold standard" of 3rd gens cause of the twin oil coolers, the strut tower brace which stiffens the chassis, and the stiffer suspension which I personally like in a sports car. In addition, the wing, front chin spoiler are great for aerodynamics and the mudguards make the car more agressive in style (in my opinion).

I have a 93 base. I'm looking to put all the stuff (chin spoiler, front tower brace, mudguards) on my car cause I just like the look of the R1. But my car runs neck in neck with my friends 93 R1. We both have the exact same mods, same miles, etc.

I hope this helps.

Stock R-1 has 12,000 miles and the 94 has 65k but hooked up!

If by hooked up, you mean performance mods. I would go with the stock R1. Modded cars are generally ragged out by their owners. How many people do alot of performance mods and drive the speed limit? :)

I hear ya!

and 12,000 miles? dang! I'd say the R1 too... :bigthumb:

hard to say without seeing them though... any pics? how about specs on the one that's modded? prices?

Tell me what you think first? Assume both are mint. They are!!!

R-1 value...

Touring...:cool:

go to http://www.kbb.com

KBB

R-1...14k

94 PEP...15k

It really depends on you.

Do you want a sunroof or not? If you don't want a sunroof, ever, get the R1. If you would like a sunroof, then get the touring.

Having dual oil coolers is a nice option, but unless you open track the car you'll probably never see a difference. Also, the R1 suspension verses the touring... Chances are you'll replace the springs and/or struts so it won't make a difference either way.

As for the strut bar, you can buy one for the touring if the owner hasn't installed one yet. No biggie..

It's really all about the sunroof. Also, some of the 93's have some interior panel problems so getting a 94 would avoid that little annoyance.

I installed a sunroof on my Tundra.(Not a factory option)
Why can't I do the same on a R-1???

You can, but it's not recommended. Here's a quote from the same discussion months ago:

BUMP^see reply above^

Nevermind..Mahjik posted while I was typing the same. :)

Also note that the FD has a 'double bubble' roof. The sunroof isn't flat or just slightly curved as in most vehicles. I would think it would be hard to find any non-factory sunroofs.

YIKES! You guys know how to scare a guy!!!

Well, it's never good to put in an aftermarket sunroof, especially on a sports car. If you see a factory sunroof, usually the top-sides of the car are reinforced for extra protection.

Now if you take a car that didn't come from the factory with a sunroof, it won't be reinforced since there is no sunroof, so adding a sunroof makes the top of the car weaker. Adding into more chassis flex and a possible deathtrap should you roll the car.

Look! It's the boogie man! Boogie boogie boogie

Well maybe I be not so scared if I reinforced it!!! LOL, is it possible?

Get the R1.

Lower miles = less wear and tear (usually)

If they were similar mileage, i would go with whichever is in better condition. 2nd oil cooler is cool, but usually with a high mileage car...half of the fins are bent in....also, the springs and struts are usually worn out and tired as these are 10 year old cars. It's doubtful that any FDs with 50k+ miles are still pulling that magical .98 g's.

I was more sold on the R1 because of the strut brace (its so bling bling!) and lightweight due to no sunroof. Im pretty tall, so any track events would be very uncomfortable with a helmet.

If you really need that sunroof, get the Touring.

Basically, the best thing is the cut off a wrecked touring/PEP/PEG model roof and put it on an R1/R2 for that...

If the sunroof is a big deal, get the touring. It's not worth ruining the car trying to install an aftermarket sunroof. That would also ruin your resell value if you didn't like it or decided to get rid of it.

Also, as BlackR1 pointed out, if you are tall the sunroof actually takes away some head room. This is really only an issue if you are over 6'1" or so... Something to think about if you are going to track the car with a helmet.