Throttle Body coolant hose for flushing/bleeding purpooses
I didn't want to create a thread for this because I'm sure it has been covered but I've looked around the forums and can't find a picture to locate which hose it is or if its necessary.
I'm going to be installing a KOYO N-FLO rad along with most of the related cooling system parts( Thermostat,Water pump, hoses etc...) so I want to do a thorough coolant flush as well. I found plenty of info for the coolant flush, including the location of engine drain plug located on the left side of the engine. I see quite often mentioned that there is a throttle body coolant hose that you want to unplug.
Originally Posted by 7racer
(Post 4606356)
You might also want to mention unplugging the throttle body coolant hose when you fill up the coolant to limit air bubbles.
Second, Is it really necessary or that beneficial to unplug this hose for bleeding purposes? I am already going to be using the Lisle No Spill funnel to bleed the system. |
The hose I unplug is the one that attaches to the top nipple of the throttle body, next to the firewall, highest point in the cooling system. You should be able to see it without removing any parts. Disconnect it during the refill process to help purge air from the cooling system - you can get quite a lot of coolant in fairly quickly with the hose disconnected, but not a 100% fill. I have never tried to do a fill without removing this hose, but I imagine it would take considerably longer to get the coolant in and the majority of air out.
Personally, I have never used the block drain, only the radiator drain. But I am doing annual coolant flushes so I figure the little that remains in the block will get purged next time and the coolant never gets that bad since it is frequently flushed. Annual flush may be excessive though... |
Originally Posted by jza80
(Post 12258477)
The hose I unplug is the one that attaches to the top nipple of the throttle body, next to the firewall, highest point in the cooling system. You should be able to see it without removing any parts. Disconnect it during the refill process to help purge air from the cooling system - you can get quite a lot of coolant in fairly quickly with the hose disconnected, but not a 100% fill. I have never tried to do a fill without removing this hose, but I imagine it would take considerably longer to get the coolant in and the majority of air out.
Personally, I have never used the block drain, only the radiator drain. But I am doing annual coolant flushes so I figure the little that remains in the block will get purged next time and the coolant never gets that bad since it is frequently flushed. Annual flush may be excessive though... |
Disconnecting the throttle body coolant line and filling slowly will help a little, but a Lisle coolant funnel that seals to the fill neck will do a much better job. I have the Lisle 24610 kit , should be easy to find online and at some auto parts stores.
The block drain is easy to access if the car is on a lift, but probably a huge pain if you're working on ramps or jack stands. It will get a significant amount of additional coolant out of the system after the radiator drain has run dry, I'm guessing about 1.0L of coolant. |
Originally Posted by jza80
(Post 12258477)
The hose I unplug is the one that attaches to the top nipple of the throttle body, next to the firewall, highest point in the cooling system. You should be able to see it without removing any parts. Disconnect it during the refill process to help purge air from the cooling system - you can get quite a lot of coolant in fairly quickly with the hose disconnected, but not a 100% fill. I have never tried to do a fill without removing this hose, but I imagine it would take considerably longer to get the coolant in and the majority of air out.
Personally, I have never used the block drain, only the radiator drain. But I am doing annual coolant flushes so I figure the little that remains in the block will get purged next time and the coolant never gets that bad since it is frequently flushed. Annual flush may be excessive though... I think I see the hose you're talking about, I'll include a pic and highlight it so you can double check it's the right one. And to just get the right understanding, I disconnect it when I'm refilling with the engine off correct? Then once it's initially filled do I reconnect it before starting the engine and begin to bleed out the air ? Or do I leave it disconnected until after I bleed out all the air? Yea I just got the car and since I'm doing a bunch of cooling work I minus will take out the engine drain plug and fully flush her out, but I feel you, if I do it annually I won't bother with the engine drain plug either.https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...11a24a939c.jpg |
Originally Posted by DaveW
(Post 12258479)
Exactly what I do - quick, easy, and has worked for 25+ years.
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Originally Posted by scotty305
(Post 12258485)
Disconnecting the throttle body coolant line and filling slowly will help a little, but a Lisle coolant funnel that seals to the fill neck will do a much better job. I have the Lisle 24610 kit , should be easy to find online and at some auto parts stores.
The block drain is easy to access if the car is on a lift, but probably a huge pain if you're working on ramps or jack stands. It will get a significant amount of additional coolant out of the system after the radiator drain has run dry, I'm guessing about 1.0L of coolant. Really? I haven't looked for it yet, I have her on stands, hopefully it's not that much of a pain in the ass. I do want to do a thorough flush. |
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Since getting a Lisle funnel, I don't bother with the throttle body coolant line anymore.
This picture is not great, but should help give a general idea where the drain plug is. I think it's a 14mm bolt. Even with the radiator completely empty there is going to be a good amount of water pressure when you first remove the bolt, and unfortunately there's not a great path around that area so plan for coolant to spill everywhere and drip all over the subframe. https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1520408854 |
Originally Posted by scotty305
(Post 12258536)
Since getting a Lisle funnel, I don't bother with the throttle body coolant line anymore.
This picture is not great, but should help give a general idea where the drain plug is. I think it's a 14mm bolt. Even with the radiator completely empty there is going to be a good amount of water pressure when you first remove the bolt, and unfortunately there's not a great path around that area so plan for coolant to spill everywhere and drip all over the subframe. https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1520408854 Awesome, thanks for the pic! It gives me a better understanding, and thanks for the heads up about the prrssure brotha. Yea that sucks, I don't want to get coolant everywhere but I mean since I just bought the car and I'm changing the water pump, thermostat and radiator I'm thinking I should. The coolant it has now is actually really clean, it was just replaced by the company I got her from, but since I don't know what ratio or brand coolant they used I want to flush it all out, but if it's too difficult to get to I'll just leave it... With my regular bi-annual flushes I definitely won't be removing it haha |
Originally Posted by JohnsJDM,Julie
(Post 12258474)
...I see quite often mentioned that there is a throttle body coolant hose that you want to unplug.
Just a couple questions, does anyone have a picture or can describe this hose so I know which one it is and locate it?... http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/...antdiagram.jpg Probably good to drain the block initially to purge any sentiment, but FWIW I now also change annually and just drain the radiator. I also use the red FL-22 Coolant. http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/...pskdfdccfm.jpg |
Hook the throttle body line back up after initial fill and before starting. Unless you have a desire to bathe the back of your motor and transmission in coolant. Ive contemplated putting an extension on that line to run to a container and speed up the bleeding process but the lisle funnel works well. |
Originally Posted by JohnsJDM,Julie
(Post 12258538)
Yea that's a good point and that's why I bought that funnel kit. I mean if it's the hose that I took a picture of and all you have to do is disconnect it from up there that wouldn't be a problem. I just want to understand the procedure; do I disconnect it when I do the initial fill and then reconnect it, start the engine and do the normal bleeding with the funnel kit? Or do I leave it disconnected while I start the engine and do the bleeding with the funnel kit ?
Awesome, thanks for the pic! It gives me a better understanding, and thanks for the heads up about the prrssure brotha. Yea that sucks, I don't want to get coolant everywhere but I mean since I just bought the car and I'm changing the water pump, thermostat and radiator I'm thinking I should. The coolant it has now is actually really clean, it was just replaced by the company I got her from, but since I don't know what ratio or brand coolant they used I want to flush it all out, but if it's too difficult to get to I'll just leave it... With my regular bi-annual flushes I definitely won't be removing it haha |
Originally Posted by Sgtblue
(Post 12258560)
If you haven’t yet, the Factory Service Manual (FSM) is available in a free download... https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums...antdiagram.jpg Probably good to drain the block initially to purge any sentiment, but FWIW I now also change annually and just drain the radiator. I also use the red FL-22 Coolant. https://i1126.photobucket.com/albums...pskdfdccfm.jpg Ah yea that's the pic that I saw online somewhere, thanks for posting it! Yea since its my first time I want to drain as much as possible, but with the annual or bi-annual I will only drain from the radiator as well. I'm going to be using the Mazda FL22 full strength, still haven't decided on the ratio yet. |
If you’re using uncut coolant, no more than 50/50 with distilled water. But I wouldn’t go less than maybe 20% coolant for corrosion protection. Whatever is safe for your part of Colorado. The more water the better your cooling efficiency. |
Originally Posted by Sgtblue
(Post 12258640)
If you’re using uncut coolant, no more than 50/50 with distilled water. But I wouldn’t go less than maybe 20% coolant for corrosion protection. Whatever is safe for your part of Colorado. The more water the better your cooling efficiency. Antifreeze actually loses some of its properties if it's not diluted at with at least 40% water. However, for corrosion protection I'd use at least 30% AF to 70% water. I'd not trust that there would be enough anticorrosion chemicals to be effective at 20% concentration. OEM's recommend 40 to 60% AF. |
Originally Posted by Smokey The Talon
(Post 12258575)
Hook the throttle body line back up after initial fill and before starting. Unless you have a desire to bathe the back of your motor and transmission in coolant. Ive contemplated putting an extension on that line to run to a container and speed up the bleeding process but the lisle funnel works well. That's a good alternative, but yea I already got the Lisle funnel so ill use that. Thanks for your help, I appreciate it. |
Originally Posted by Sgtblue
(Post 12258640)
If you’re using uncut coolant, no more than 50/50 with distilled water. But I wouldn’t go less than maybe 20% coolant for corrosion protection. Whatever is safe for your part of Colorado. The more water the better your cooling efficiency. Thanks again brotha! |
Originally Posted by DaveW
(Post 12258609)
Also, use 50-50 distilled water and ethylene-glycol (green) antifreeze. It's the only type that works correctly in the FD.
Originally Posted by DaveW
(Post 12258648)
Agreed.
Antifreeze actually loses some of its properties if it's not diluted at with at least 40% water. However, for corrosion protection I'd use at least 30% AF to 70% water. I'd not trust that there would be enough anticorrosion chemicals to be effective at 20% concentration. OEM's recommend 40 to 60% AF. |
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