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KKMpunkrock2011 08-08-10 11:36 PM

you're still waiting on the injectors right? to get the secondaries in without too much of a hassle, pull the LIM off, remove the secondary rail, put the injectors in, bolt on the rail, THEN bolt on the LIM, makes life easier since you've got everything else out right now.

HardHitter 08-09-10 12:11 AM

Ohhh I get it! Is it really that bad to install the injectors? I step into the engine bay where my radiator/intercooler would usually be so I'm not leaning over the car. I thought the injectors should be a direct drop in other than modifying the harness to clip in.

GreatShamanGT 08-09-10 12:48 AM


Originally Posted by GreatShamanGT (Post 10154582)
Hey,

Did you do the harness yourself or did you send it off to have someone do it? Let me know because I'm trying to have mine simplified :)

started off with a new page so idk if you saw this. I'm about to start a wiretuck so I wanna know asap :P :blush:

KKMpunkrock2011 08-09-10 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by HardHitter (Post 10154636)
Ohhh I get it! Is it really that bad to install the injectors? I step into the engine bay where my radiator/intercooler would usually be so I'm not leaning over the car. I thought the injectors should be a direct drop in other than modifying the harness to clip in.

it can be. It's hard to get a wrench or socket in there at the correct angle. It's a tight fit, using shorter bolts will help too. I think it's just easier to do it with the LIM off, then hook everything up. It's not that it can't be done with the LIM on, I did it, it's just a pain and took me way more effort than it was worth.

ksu-chewie 08-09-10 04:43 PM

Did it take 4 months to get your engine back, or did you take a break?

HardHitter 08-09-10 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by doofy (Post 10155788)
Did it take 4 months to get your engine back, or did you take a break?

The engine build was complete once it actually started getting torn apartin a week and a half or so. There was a hold up based on my decision of parts and decision of going back to 2mm rotors.

HardHitter 08-14-10 04:15 PM

So working on the car today, we have the engine mated to the transmission and all bell housing bolts, but I don't think we have the actual "connection" with the transmission because when I go to push the clutch pedal in, it just goes straight to the floor and stays there. I don't have to put any force on the clutch pedal or anything, I push it just a little and it basically shoots to the floor.

I've done a few searches, but it seems like it could be a master/slave cylinder problem? Checked the brake/clutch fluid and it's fine. I don't understand how this could be a problem if it was in perfect working order when we were pulling the engine out. Any suggestions?

All I am really waiting on are my injectors, once they get in, I'll be able to install those and put the radiator/intercooler in and then just start hooking everything up electrically.

jamespond24 08-14-10 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by HardHitter (Post 10164705)
So working on the car today, we have the engine mated to the transmission and all bell housing bolts, but I don't think we have the actual "connection" with the transmission because when I go to push the clutch pedal in, it just goes straight to the floor and stays there. I don't have to put any force on the clutch pedal or anything, I push it just a little and it basically shoots to the floor.

I've done a few searches, but it seems like it could be a master/slave cylinder problem? Checked the brake/clutch fluid and it's fine. I don't understand how this could be a problem if it was in perfect working order when we were pulling the engine out. Any suggestions?

All I am really waiting on are my injectors, once they get in, I'll be able to install those and put the radiator/intercooler in and then just start hooking everything up electrically.

Remember the FD clutch is a pulled type you have to push the fork on the driver side to lock it in.

HardHitter 08-14-10 05:03 PM

This is what we are looking at through the peep hole...that doesn't look right, we need to get that into the actual clutch correct?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/1b32c267.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/dcba4616.jpg

HardHitter 08-14-10 05:38 PM

So I was able to get the ring back to the clutch and it connected but when I push the clutch to test it, there is no resistance. The clutch pedal does now pop back up, but no/little resistance. When I take a look through the peep hole when someone pushes it, the clutch is pulled just very slightly.

EvilAreXeven 08-14-10 10:00 PM

omg I made the same mistake. How did you get the collar back in to the clutch???

mgoddard1 08-14-10 10:28 PM

First make sure the clutch fork is snapped into the pressure plate. From my experience you probably need to bleed the clutch. When you remove the slave cylinder the piston inside of it can extend too far and let air in the system.



Originally Posted by HardHitter (Post 10164791)
So I was able to get the ring back to the clutch and it connected but when I push the clutch to test it, there is no resistance. The clutch pedal does now pop back up, but no/little resistance. When I take a look through the peep hole when someone pushes it, the clutch is pulled just very slightly.


HardHitter 08-15-10 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by EvilAreXeven (Post 10165133)
omg I made the same mistake. How did you get the collar back in to the clutch???

Do what you do when you try to disconnect it from the clutch. Basically push the ring towards the front of the car and it'll pop loose/off. Then just put it back into the clutch.

KKMpunkrock2011 08-15-10 08:14 PM

if it keeps popping out, watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPCi4RpGQCU

HardHitter 09-06-10 07:55 PM

So I haven't updated in a while but the car is coming along pretty well. I have the following left to do.

1. Wire the injector harness into the engine wiring harness
2. Put the UIM/elbow/IC piping on
3. Connect the wiring harness to all sensors
4. Double check clutch/bleed clutch little more probably
5. Add oil/transmission oil
6. Load new base map (is this really needed for just start up? the base map has a tune for 550/1300 injectors, I now have 725/2000 injectors)
7. Cross fingers and hope the car starts up/doesn't leak/runs

Here is how it looks like right now, going to be in Vegas this weekend, so won't be able to get to the car again until two weeks from now.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/IMAG0290.jpg

arghx 09-07-10 12:37 AM

If you changed your primary injectors I would use a different basemap.

Howard Coleman 09-07-10 06:55 AM

use the map i sent you but since you changed injectors you will need to change the injector delivery numbers and the lag. i believe you can easily get these from Injector Dynamics or search the board as they have been posted.

finally, you will have to change the injector ontime (base fuel page) a bit.

proceed w caution here and don't hesitate to ask questions.

and don't forget to pull the fuel pump fuse (yellow 20 A near your left foot toes), pull the sparkplugs and crank the motor til you have oil pressure before starting.

howard

pomanferrari 09-08-10 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by HardHitter (Post 10202312)
6. Load new base map (is this really needed for just start up? the base map has a tune for 550/1300 injectors, I now have 725/2000 injectors)


I have the Datalogit for the PFC if you need to change injector size and other parameters.

GoodfellaFD3S 09-08-10 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by Howard Coleman CPR (Post 10202926)
and don't forget to pull the fuel pump fuse (yellow 20 A near your left foot toes), pull the sparkplugs and crank the motor til you have oil pressure before starting.

howard

Another option is to pull the EGI fuse, it's a pink 30 Amp fuse located in the middle of the row of fuses over by the driver's side headlight.

HardHitter 09-09-10 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by pomanferrari (Post 10206207)
I have the Datalogit for the PFC if you need to change injector size and other parameters.

I definitely will take you up on that offer. I'm going to e-mail ID or some others who are running the same ID setup and see what they suggest for my injector setup.

HardHitter 09-22-10 08:55 PM

Well, I think the day is coming!

There are a few problems though

I go to put my UIM on and hook up the sensor that is underneath the UIM and well, the engine harness doesn't fit the sensor.

I purchased this UIM already ceramic coated from a user on here and it looks as though the sensor is an aftermarket one. I looked at my old UIM and the sensors threading is A LOT smaller and the fitting is different.

Here are some pictures of the sensor and the threading. Is there a way to find a connection or how exactly am I going to get this to work? Is it an essential part? I'm pretty sure this is the air intake temp sensor.

Also missing is, I do not know where my O2 sensor is that goes into my downpipe. I see pictures of it in when I first took pictures of the car, but where could this have gone? Is this part of the wiring harness? I'm totally at a blank right now.

Here is how the car sits right now

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/IMAG0323.jpg

Things left to do:

1. Put the last IC pipe on
2. Add fluids (oil, transmission oil, 2-stroke oil, coolant)
3. Load new base map

START THE CAR!

KKMpunkrock2011 09-22-10 10:32 PM

no pictures of the sensor and threading man, you're so close tho!

HardHitter 09-22-10 11:14 PM

Here is what I posted on the thread where I was having problems. You guys can see the difference in UIM.

the hole has been modified to fit this aftermarket sensor though. Here are the pictures. The one with the ceramic coating is the modified UIM with an aftermarket sensor. My stock one is the non-ceramic coated and has the sensor that fits the wiring harness.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/IMAG0328.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/IMAG0327.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/IMAG0329.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/IMAG0330.jpg

Aftermarket sensor trying to go into the non-ceramic coated UIM

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/IMAG0332.jpg

Stock sensor trying to go into the ceramic coated UIM

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/IMAG0331.jpg

Should I just reuse my non-ceramic coated UIM until I figure a fix for this?

KKMpunkrock2011 09-22-10 11:18 PM

find a nut that fits on the threaded portion of the ait sensors, have the hole for the ait sensor widened so the nut fits in, weld the nut in, you're good to go.

millennm 09-23-10 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by HardHitter (Post 10164791)
So I was able to get the ring back to the clutch and it connected but when I push the clutch to test it, there is no resistance. The clutch pedal does now pop back up, but no/little resistance. When I take a look through the peep hole when someone pushes it, the clutch is pulled just very slightly.

Clutch Install:
3/4s of the way down under reassembly.

The wedge collar or ring should be in the clutch to begin with.
With slave cylinder removed reach in hole where slave cylinder mounts with a strong hook. Pull end of clutch fork toward rear of car until you hear throwout bearing "click" in the wedge collar. Install slave cylinder and push clutch pedal. If wedge collar pulls out of clutch, then it's bent.


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