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speeddemon7 Oct 5, 2004 12:28 PM

cant we just remove the vacuum line in the engine bay?
it looks fairly simple

HDP Oct 5, 2004 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by speeddemon7
cant we just remove the vacuum line in the engine bay?
it looks fairly simple

Maybe the line is clogged... or something is backed-up? If the turbos are leaking oil (blowing oil into the compressor side), will the residue find it's way through the vacuum lines and into the solenoids?


I recall pouring oil out of my intercooler a year ago when I replaced the vacuum hoses, so I know my turbos are leaking.

BATMAN Oct 5, 2004 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by ptrhahn
Right.

EVERYONE WITH THIS PROBLEM: Go home tonight, jack up the car, and remove the line going to the pressure side of the actuator (it's on the side). Mine actually works BETTER this way, and I think it's because the pressure isn't getting released to reset the actuator, so it works slowly, but it works, using just the vacuum line.

At least we'll see if we all have the same issue.

Got a pic of where it's at?

ptrhahn Oct 5, 2004 01:03 PM

No, but its the big actuator right next to the oil pan on the passenger side... abou the size of a coffee can. It has a line going to the front of it (vacuum), and one going to a nipple hanging off the side of it (pressure)... they go a short distance to a set of hard lines in front of the turbos that head up to the rack.

Honestly, you COULD remove the hose at the hardline, but its easier just to jack up one side of the car, slide under, and pull the hose loose at the actuator.



Originally Posted by BATMAN
Got a pic of where it's at?


BATMAN Oct 5, 2004 01:19 PM

Dumb question:

If I pull it off do I need to plug any holes/hoses?

HDP Oct 5, 2004 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by ptrhahn
No, but its the big actuator right next to the oil pan on the passenger side... abou the size of a coffee can. It has a line going to the front of it (vacuum), and one going to a nipple hanging off the side of it (pressure)... they go a short distance to a set of hard lines in front of the turbos that head up to the rack.

Honestly, you COULD remove the hose at the hardline, but its easier just to jack up one side of the car, slide under, and pull the hose loose at the actuator.

It's really hard to get to unless you remove the undercover.

badinfluencemp Oct 5, 2004 01:25 PM

if its the tca that controls it cant you just get a new one? also i have another ? i took off that little black box on top the engine ( brain fart cant think of the name right now ) and found a sky blue female eletrical hook up where does it go to cus its just sittin in the open now ( dont let people who dont know rx-7 work on rx7 they fuck it up ) any know where it goes??

speeddemon7 Oct 5, 2004 01:25 PM

the two lines that go to the tca are also located at the top near the coolant hose.I can take a pic of it if youd like.Its basically behind the radiator filler neck and underneath the pressure chamber. same question as batmans though.Wont removing one of these lines cause a boost leak of some sort?

ptrhahn Oct 5, 2004 01:27 PM

i didn't.



Originally Posted by BATMAN
Dumb question:

If I pull it off do I need to plug any holes/hoses?


BATMAN Oct 5, 2004 01:31 PM

and it just fixed it?

does it feel different? anything I should expect?

HDP Oct 5, 2004 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by badinfluencemp
if its the tca that controls it cant you just get a new one? also i have another ? i took off that little black box on top the engine ( brain fart cant think of the name right now ) and found a sky blue female eletrical hook up where does it go to cus its just sittin in the open now ( dont let people who dont know rx-7 work on rx7 they fuck it up ) any know where it goes??

The connector is for automatic cars I think.


edit: BTW, the little black box is the flight data recorder... :D j/k. It's either the pressure or vacuum chamber, I get that one and the one in front confussed.

badinfluencemp Oct 5, 2004 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by HDP


edit: BTW, the little black box is the flight data recorder... :D j/k.

:rlaugh: that was good. nice pickup on my dumbass ( its the pressure one the vacume chamber is on the front side of the engine

dgeesaman Oct 5, 2004 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by BATMAN
Dumb question:

If I pull it off do I need to plug any holes/hoses?

I would think so. Otherwise, when the TCA solenoid opens, the system vacuum will be lost through that pathway. But it might not be open long enough to empty the system - not sure.

Dave

ptrhahn Oct 5, 2004 02:56 PM

It's not hard to get to and you do not have to remove anything... you're thinking of the two actuators at the front of the turbos... this is by the oil pan..you can practically see it by looking under the car.

The actuator normally gets pressure applied to one side, and vacuum to the other simultaneously... it uses both for speed. When I disconnected my pressure, it worked better... but its just a little slow in both directions.. a little slow to transition up, and little slow to get back.... but something must be keeping the pressure applied when when it should be transitioning back, so affectively the vacuum is fighting with the pressure. Realeasing the one, lets the other do what it wants.




Originally Posted by BATMAN
and it just fixed it?

does it feel different? anything I should expect?


BATMAN Oct 5, 2004 05:04 PM

HDP, can u guinea pig that and let us know? ;)

HDP Oct 5, 2004 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by BATMAN
HDP, can u guinea pig that and let us know? ;)

:nono: .

WaLieN Oct 5, 2004 06:53 PM

http://www.autosportracetech.com/RX-7/TurboActuator.jpg

That is what the TCA looks like. It is located on the front side of the turbo manifold. Simply unplugging a line going into it will create a vaccum/boost leak. What I reccomend doing is to print out the vaccum diagram and start digging inside your engine bay to look for loose/disconnected/slashed vaccum hoses. Then go out and buy a MityVac and check all of the check valves and various chambers that hold vaccum or pressure. That is a good start.

Have you guys even looked though this site? http://www.autosportracetech.com/RX-7/rx7stuff.htm

It has a wealth of information that you guys might want to try out before you go out buying various parts. In my situation, it ended up being a loose hose (going into the boost side of the TCA) that appeared to be okay. I had the exact same symptoms and spent a good part of a month trying to hunt the problem. Get into that vaccum assembly and start pulling/wiggling hoses!

HDP Oct 5, 2004 09:02 PM

Thanks for the info. I'm sure I will refer back to it before it's all said and done, but I'm almost certain my problem is with the solenoid and not the actuator. Not unless the actuator can cause a solenoid to malfunction and that is what the PFC is reading.

ptrhahn Oct 6, 2004 07:27 AM

I just replaced that solonoid with a brand new one and fresh silicone lines, and so did Dave Disney from the other thread, so don't hold your breath.



Originally Posted by HDP
Thanks for the info. I'm sure I will refer back to it before it's all said and done, but I'm almost certain my problem is with the solenoid and not the actuator. Not unless the actuator can cause a solenoid to malfunction and that is what the PFC is reading.


speeddemon7 Oct 6, 2004 08:27 AM

so its obviously not the solenoid or vacuum lines. what about the electrical connector? im thinking its an electrical problem.
my solenoids are fairly new.and i checked the vacuum lines without any luck.
with as many guys having this issue sooner or later someone will figure it out.If I do sumble onto a fix ill post up my findings.Im going to be checking the vacuum chamber and also the check valve that goes to it.

arutha Oct 6, 2004 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by speeddemon7
so its obviously not the solenoid or vacuum lines. what about the electrical connector? im thinking its an electrical problem.
my solenoids are fairly new.and i checked the vacuum lines without any luck.
with as many guys having this issue sooner or later someone will figure it out.If I do sumble onto a fix ill post up my findings.Im going to be checking the vacuum chamber and also the check valve that goes to it.


I was thinking the same thing. I have this problem and have check everything. I have a new TCA on and new hoses everywhere. I've had the UIM off probably 20 times testing crap. I checked the solenoids and then swapped them with others just to see if there was a difference and there hasn't been. I've done every test I have found and everything appears to be working fine yet it still doesn't work right. I even cleaned all the contacts on the solenoids to no avail. The only thing I can think of now is that I have a wiring harness or a ground problem or possibly, from Dave's thread, that the PFC is more picky about solenoids.

speeddemon7 Oct 6, 2004 12:19 PM

that may be.but im not running a pfc
so how do you explain the fact that some of us have these same problems and dont happen to have a pfc?
its not it.most likely a short in the harness thats probably triggered by the transition to secondary boost.

HDP Oct 6, 2004 12:57 PM

Well, maybe it's the actuator or the flapper door... :scratch: maybe the full moon, ... high tide, ... alignment of the planets, ... after effects of left-over tuna casserole...

arutha Oct 6, 2004 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by speeddemon7
that may be.but im not running a pfc
so how do you explain the fact that some of us have these same problems and dont happen to have a pfc?
its not it.most likely a short in the harness thats probably triggered by the transition to secondary boost.


Ahh. If people have the same problem without the PFC then I am with you that that isn't the problem but having the PFC might make the problem surface quicker. But again none of us know what the problem is yet so the PFC might just be conjecture.

HDP Oct 7, 2004 08:38 AM

Awww, the hell with it! I think I'm just going to go full non-sequential...


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