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Old 05-13-19, 07:05 PM
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Sakebomb garage variable brake booster controller

Sakebomb Garage is excited to announce a revolutionary new product in brake system tuning. Many people spend money on big brake kits, braided stainless steel lines, brake pads all in an effort to improve the pedal feel, and modulation characteristics of their brake system. What most people fail to consider is that the brake booster is the single biggest contributor to pedal feel and we've found that it is a largely unexplored tuning area.

Initial pricing for the Variable Brake Boost Controller is $295.
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As the pedal is applied, the vacuum in the right side of the booster is released and the absolute pressure rises. This causes a pressure differential across the diaphragm and causes a force to be added to the driver's effort. The ratio of the driver's input force to the total output force is referred to as the gain of the booster. As the pressure on the right side of the booster increases it will eventually reach ambient pressure at which point no more pressure can be added to that side. This point is called runout and is the most force that the brake booster is capable of producing. OEMs spend a lot of time tuning the runout of the booster to allow the brake system to be easy to modulate. By placing the typical ABS engagement pressure slightly past the point of runout the brakes are very easy to modulate. It takes a small amount of force to get to 90% of max braking and then a large increase past that to get to 100%. This means that if the driver applies any amount of force remotely near the runout force they will be very close to the max braking capacity of the car.



Enthusiast often install different tires, brake pads, rotors and even calipers all of which will change the line pressure required to lock the wheels. Often times we hear complaints from people who say that after a brake upgrade ABS engages a lot easier. The reason for this is that many modifications will cause the ABS engagement point to fall below the runout pressure. This causes the brakes to be very difficult to modulate.





To fix this situation we have designed a variable brake boost controller. By regulating the vacuum levels of the booster, we can adjust both the booster's gain and the runout point of the booster. This allows each driver to fine tune the pedal feel to best suit their driving style and car's modifications. By moving the runout point to just below the car's lockup pressure, the brakes will be much easier to modulate. The result is similar to changing the master cylinder sizing but that typically involves removing the booster which leads to much more difficult modulation. Additionally, changing master cylinder size is a time consuming, expensive and messy process which makes in not realistic to use as a tuning tool. Just like the launch is critical for a drag racer, the first instant of the braking zone is critical for the braking distance of a road racer. At the start of the braking zone you can simply stab the pedal and use the runout to get extremely close to max braking. With our variable brake boost controller you can easily fine tune your brake pedal performance to match the exact surface conditions and modifications to your car.

The Variable Brake Boost Controller can mimic anything from a smaller diameter brake booster (popular on many chassis where multiple boosters are available throughout model years), a larger diameter master cylinder fitted to the stock booster or a smaller diameter un-boosted master cylinder (while maintaining the drivability benefits of a well tuned runout point). The brake booster is an under-appreciated tool of aftermarket vehicle development but is the single most powerful **** within the brakes tuning toolbox.









To see for yourself what the product does simply get in your car and start it up. After letting the engine run for a bit take your foot off the brake pedal and turn the car off. Slowly press the pedal a few times and you will notice the pedal becoming firmer with each stroke. Each apply the vacuum level in the booster is falling both decreasing the gain and runout point of the booster. Our Vacuum Boost Adjuster allows you to pick any of the pedal curves you've just felt plus anywhere in between.



Initial pricing for the Variable Brake Boost Controller is $295 Shipped.



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***It is possible to set the boost low enough that the driver is not capable of locking the wheels, SakeBomb Garage recommends that you step down from full boost in several increments and ensure that the brake system is able to lock the wheels at each step***
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Old 05-14-19, 08:44 AM
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Such a cool product! Also cool that many cars can use this.

Have you guys found that this works best in conjunction with a big brake kit or does it work well with stock brakes?

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Interesting! I ditched ABS a few years ago and have done RZ brakes with Endless MX72 pads. Normal driving is fine, but it's good that I've so far not had to mash the brakes because I forget I don't have ABS anymore and I've locked them up on time attack/autox now more than once. I was thinking about getting a proportioning valve, but I'm wondering if this would help. I just bought some regular pads to try out, but I'm hopeful this could help me.
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Does the booster get modified in some way to accommodate this valve?

I'm having trouble envisioning/understanding how you could increase the vacuum on the booster above factory levels by only adding a valve to the system. Reduction to vacuum, sure. But more? How does that work?

Or if I have it right and this is strictly intended to offer the ability for a stepped reduction to OEM Vacuum levels, then this product is targeted for people with aftermarket brake setups who are looking for, or would benefit from, a weaker booster?
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I believe it can only reduce the amount of vacuum the booster sees. Also my guess is it goes into the vacuum line going to the brae booster to modify the amount of vacuum the booster receives.

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Originally Posted by speedjunkie
Interesting! I ditched ABS a few years ago and have done RZ brakes with Endless MX72 pads. Normal driving is fine, but it's good that I've so far not had to mash the brakes because I forget I don't have ABS anymore and I've locked them up on time attack/autox now more than once. I was thinking about getting a proportioning valve, but I'm wondering if this would help. I just bought some regular pads to try out, but I'm hopeful this could help me.
This should help since it will give you a wide window of modulation before lockup (or rather you can dial in your modulation window before lockup).
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Originally Posted by cloud9
Does the booster get modified in some way to accommodate this valve?

I'm having trouble envisioning/understanding how you could increase the vacuum on the booster above factory levels by only adding a valve to the system. Reduction to vacuum, sure. But more? How does that work?

Or if I have it right and this is strictly intended to offer the ability for a stepped reduction to OEM Vacuum levels, then this product is targeted for people with aftermarket brake setups who are looking for, or would benefit from, a weaker booster?
This only reduces the pressure the booster sees. The booster is already WAY over-boosted (especially when you add higher friction pads, larger rotors, or a BBK). Everyone has just gotten used to it... until you actually turn down the booster you won't really understand HOW over-boosted the stock system is.

This allows you to reduce boost, which allows you to dial in your window before lockup... the stock system was designed with boost in mind for stock low mu brake pads, and getting to the grocery store. Basically, the VBBC feels like magic for your brake system...
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So can or does this work with the SBG Wilwood track day kit & rear brake upgrade with the stock ABS system?
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Originally Posted by Mike93r1
So can or does this work with the SBG Wilwood track day kit & rear brake upgrade with the stock ABS system?
Yes.
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Originally Posted by Mike93r1
So can or does this work with the SBG Wilwood track day kit & rear brake upgrade with the stock ABS system?
absolutely! Everything from our Monster AP 6 pot 355mm BBK to stock brakes
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I don't see this on the site anymore. What happened? I was still hoping to try one.
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Still there Eric, just under universal parts vs FD specific Link

I am picking one up for dialing in a BBK and a 929. Your 626, Wilwood proportioning valve, and this should get you the exact feel you want

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Originally Posted by ZumSpeedRX-7
Still there Eric, just under universal parts vs FD specific Link

I am picking one up for dialing in a BBK and a 929. Your 626, Wilwood proportioning valve, and this should get you the exact feel you want
Oh OK, thanks Rick!

Dammit, I keep forgetting to get the shipping quote for you lol.
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Most likely all good on the NTech - I am importing a 360mm brake duct from TGS and am going to leave it unducted until the AP J-hooks really need it (read: once I am actually fast again in my car -> crawl to walk when I am back at it on track)

Figured I'll have the provisions there for when I need it versus taking it all apart to add a pancake duct and all down the road when I get fast enough to put some real heat in the system


You'll probably beat me to dialing in this VBBC. I haven't seen anyone else try one.

Please let us know how it goes

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Ok cool!

I wouldn't be so sure. I had these plates cut probably 10 years ago and still haven't anything with them. I move at the speed of government lol.
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Seems like a lot of money for what I assume is just an adjustable ball valve...
For 99% of drivers, this would be a set it and forget it sort of thing, so a simpler adapter with a selection of restrictor pills would probably make more economic sense.

Unless I am completely misunderstanding how it works, and it actually works more like a proportion valve with a knee point?
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it would likely have to be more of a regulator valve that adjusts to particular vacuum level values

if it were just a ball or needle valve those would only control the rate of the vacuum draw down and not an actual set point value

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edit; issue resolved
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