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revhardallday 08-05-07 07:39 PM

safe a/f ratios
 
i see anywhere from 11.1 to 14.8 on my a/g gauge is this safe?

it idles at 11.1 when i cruise its at like 13.6 and wen i get on it a lil bit it goes to 12.4.

how lean can it go before damaging the motor?

revhardallday 08-05-07 07:39 PM

i ment a/f**

revhardallday 08-05-07 07:56 PM

anyone?

AHarada 08-05-07 07:57 PM

11.1 at idle is pretty damn rich (same as my car), and 11.1 is about normal for WOT.

andre sinclair 08-05-07 08:37 PM

AFR'S
12.0-12.5 at idle
14.7:1 at 25"hg and climbing to ->13:1
13:1 at 0psi
12.5:1 at 1 - 7 psi
12:1-11.5:1 at 7-20 psi

zack4173 08-05-07 09:52 PM

thats weird im running 10.5 at 5-12 PSI

Monsterbox 08-05-07 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by andre sinclair (Post 7206912)
AFR'S
12.0-12.5 at idle
14.7:1 at 25"hg and climbing to ->13:1
13:1 at 0psi
12.5:1 at 1 - 7 psi
12:1-11.5:1 at 7-20 psi



12:1 are you kidding!...thats way to lean for 10-15psi of boost on an rx7??

I run at 10.5-11.0 is this insanely rich then

Monkman33 08-05-07 10:40 PM

I would think that 10-15 psi would merit a rich mixture. especially once you start considering the ramifications of detonation.


On another note, in the PFC forum, there is a gentleman that runs 16:1 when cruising down the freeway, but under any load it goes to richer than 14:1.

TwilightRotary 08-05-07 11:39 PM

um.....i have an autometer gauge.
i have an option between lean, stoich (wtf?), and rich. can anyone put a number to this? lol
i idle right on the edge between stoich and rich but under any acceleration it goes halfway into rich.

SportCoupe2 08-06-07 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by revhardallday (Post 7206771)
i see anywhere from 11.1 to 14.8 on my a/g gauge is this safe?

it idles at 11.1 when i cruise its at like 13.6 and wen i get on it a lil bit it goes to 12.4.

how lean can it go before damaging the motor?

Are you using a wide band O2 sensor and gauge or just the cheap gauge you splice into your stock O2 sensor? If you have the cheap one then you cannot tune by it accruately, you need a wide band for tuning.

vrmmmpshhh 08-06-07 06:38 AM

on 9psi i get 11.5 and on 12psi i get 10.5 should i be worried? car is stock apart from apexi intakes and untuned powerfc.

andre sinclair 08-06-07 10:38 AM

10.5 is too excessive

Monsterbox 08-06-07 10:56 AM

excessively rich or lean? i thought 10.5 was ideal

modimport 08-06-07 01:18 PM

10.5 is rich

Monkman33 08-06-07 01:43 PM

So what is the ideal cruise stoich ratio for a non emissions FD?

Monsterbox 08-06-07 02:00 PM

is it possible to detonate by leaning out the LOW-Low Throttle cruise rpm ranges? i try to run a 14.5afr

Under boost I always maintain a 10.5 at any PSI....is this really too rich guys?

teri064 08-06-07 02:50 PM

10.5 is supposed to be extremely rich for other turbo applications....11.5 -12 theoritical is very good and u are not afraid of high temps in the motor....but anything above that will cause high temps in the engine and we all know the results....
but this is theory when i was working on piston engines!
even the subaru impreza turbo BOXSTER engine was a bit strange...and dint like more than 11.5-11.7 , anythin more than that made the 3d cylinder get much damage (cuz the turbo was close to it....)

So what about wankels???

Monkman33 08-06-07 04:59 PM

I figure under boost, you dont exactly have to worry about carbon build up, and sacrificing a little fuel economy and a little bit of power to be running that much further in the safe zone... with a rotary... is worth it imho

andre sinclair 08-06-07 06:41 PM

Let walk through the steps... I`ve learn this the hard way by blowing a couple engines in my earlier years.


AFR'S
12.0-12.5 at idle is VERY ACCEPTABLE ON ROTARIES...PORT SIZE VARIES THOUGH.

14.7:1 at 25"hg and climbing to ->13:1

13:1 at 0psi WHILE TRANSITIONING INTO LOAD/BOOST/HIGH RPM

12.5:1 at 1 - 7 psi VERY ACCEPTABLE WITH CONSERVATIVE TIMING

12:1-11.5:1 at 7-20 psi VERY ACCEPTABLE WITH CONSERVATIVE TIMING

11.2-10.8 AT 22-30 PSI (10.8 FOR SAFETY)

10.5 IS VERY RICH. PROBABILITY FOR CARBONIZATION AND STICKING SIDE SEALS.


To each`s own...Good Luck.

revhardallday 08-06-07 06:50 PM

yes i have a wideband.

and thats for the steps *andre sinclair*

Monsterbox 08-06-07 07:56 PM

11.5 to 12.1....conservative....thats aggressive as hell for 15psi

andre sinclair 08-06-07 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by Monsterbox (Post 7210280)
11.5 to 12.1....conservative....thats aggressive as hell for 15psi


HENCE THE WORD: "Conservative Timing" ... you can also separate timing split/gap.

SPICcnmGT 08-07-07 08:16 AM

Try looking in the PFC forum, or searching under Chuck Westbrook, aka CEWRX7R1 for AFR's.

Many people run 16-16.5 for cruising with no problems, better mpg. At 12psi I would run at or just above 11.5:1, if you have 93 octane.

andre sinclair 08-07-07 09:59 AM

Chuck Westbrook I've heard is very good. But, Steve kan I've met in person and he has confirm my thoughts and taught me thing or two.

Try a search for either tuners.


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