LOL Thanks Gene. How much do I owe you? :p:

I thought I was relentless in a debate/argument, until I encountered jconn on this forum a few years ago...he redefines the term "rock head" ;)

LOL...NOW you tell me... :shakes head: He's done a good job of keeping on the DL if my memory serves me right (you're a lot more vocal), so I guess I had to find this out the hard way... :dunno:

I haven't seen a post that long winded, detailed, and peppered with photographs since Jim Labreck posted here

:)

:rofl: I guess Jim rubbed off on me a bit :p:

Ramy has no trouble selling these seats and thus does not need to defend the product. I'd wager he has a waiting list on these parts just as he does on every other part. Just like Gene said he's not here to push parts, just educate others on parts he himself uses, or has owned.

you owe me that rz seat and the wisesports housings LOL

Wow what a shit fight :)

As an actual owner of these seats and an owner of a very rare factory racing special car (1 of 25) I can say this.

These seats are amazing, when people post about them their threads should not be trivialized with rubbish calls like we have seen posted here.... get over it, if your ignorant about them then ask a question in a nice manner and you will get lots of repies from people who know what they are talking about based of first hand experience.

;) Peace and once again to the thread starter, great seats ! hope you enjoy them as much as I do mine :)

Wow this thread is entertaining :icon_tup:

No need to explain at all. I understand perfectly. I spend 10s of thousands of dollars on my cars every year.

I'm just flabbergasted at how folks value these seats but what's even more amazing is the price they put on the JDM BBS wheels. It's all relative but I still find it fascinating and it never ceases to amaze me how much all of us love are FDs.

I can kind of fathom the seats but have no idea why people love the wheels so much. Too me they are decent but id rather have some HRE's, iForged, SSR or Volk wheels for that kind of change.

Just my opinion.

Rob

Oh, please. You're like the old Grouch Marx joke: "Who are you going to believe, me, or your own lying eyes?"

The Recaro logo is clearly visible in the through the windshield shot on page 1 and on this page, as is the Kevlar frame. You guys are just dreaming if you think no one can notice and that thieves don't know a high buck item when they see it.

Yeah, well, page 4 for another look at the original through the windshield shot.....my post got ppushed to p.5.

Doesn't matter. You've got a white logo on a black background for a primo brand that is clearly visible through the windshield of the car. As I say, to think a thief can't perceive a quality item, especially one with a frame made of an exotic material, is hopelessly naive. To a thief, that visible logo screams, "STEAL ME."
I was puzzled at first why someone with 9,000+ posts would be so heavily into denial and get so hot and bothered about what is an obvious perception......but now that I know you have a financial interest at stake, well, that explains it.

So, now you're saying you CAN see it they way your car is set up. LOL!
This is what I mean. You guys are wildly inconsistent (about something that is obvious in a photograph, no less.) Why don't you all get in the same room and try to get your story straight?

Your personal insult aside, let me make it perfectly clear for you. I never attacked your reputation for business honesty. The seats I see here look great. I assume you get for them what the market will bear, which is fair, and I have no reason to believe you do not deliver as promised.

I do however stand by my statement that you are hyper-sensitive to any criticism of these seats no matter how tangential. One poster wrote about what he viewed as the absurdity of putting $4,000 seats in a $15,000 car. I followed with a post saying how I'd be worried about the theft temptation posed by such valuable aftermarket parts. That's when you jumped in and have seem to have gone apeshit. Puzzling to me, at first, but then when I found out you sell these seats it all made sense. And yes, you do get very touchy about these seats as evidenced by the long winded and angry posts you've put in this thread.
Me, I'm just sitting here laughing at your rants and raves.

My seat > Your Seat :rlaugh:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...m/DSCN0155.jpg

goddamn thats a lot of quoting...

A little show and tell in case anybody still cares and has lost track.

The question before the house is this: Can you spot the exotic material used on the frame of these seats, and would a thief recognize them as something of high value?

The first part is the easiest. Look at the through the windshield shot and notice the light colored areas on the seats down by the center console. The second side shot gives you another view of the seat frame.

FDNewbie apparently believes all this is invisibile to potential thieves (even though you can see it in these photographs.) I say any scumbag peering into this car is going to see dollar $ign$.

If I walked by that car, I would think someones got too much money.

just put some lambskin seat covers over them whenever you park! hahaha the SEAT CLUB

Before you continue...for the record, I envy you. Seriously :)

Well said :)

That's an understatement. I've been here for a quite a while, and this is the FIRST time I've seen someone clearly admit to seeing something non-existant lol.

I'm w/ you Fritz. It's all relative. I'm weird in that I have no problem dropping several thousand in parts simply due to their rare factor (and their high quality). But at the same time, I think spending $4k+ EASY for a set of HRE's is rediculous. The wheels are nice, but they're nothing special...until I stepped back for a second and thought to myself...hey! That's prob the EXACT same thing the HRE guys think about me! lol. So yea I guess it all comes down to what is important to you, because THAT'S the item you will be able to justify the cost to yourself about. Ditto w/ ppl who spend $30K easy on exterior work and custom interior work, but have essentially a stock powered FD, etc etc. Definitely interesting.

Haha...perfect timing Rob. Case and point :)

Funny...you're the *only* one who claims to see it. And there's what...at least 4 or 5 actual Recaro seat OWNERS on this thread who disagree w/ what you *think* you're seeing. If that isn't stubborness in it's purest form, I don't know what is.

Look who's talking. Someone (I don't know who) started calling me "naieve," saying I'm "dreaming," then " To think anything else is hopelessly naive. (Insert FDNewbie's name here.)", and again "As I say, you're dreaming and hopelessly naive." And that was in response to me prefacing my response with "Please don't misunderstand what I said." So how about you learn some manners and learn not to push if you can't handle getting shoved back - and HARD ;)

Yes you did. Maybe we have different business standards, but my reputation hinges on honesty and transparency in ALL of my affairs, even when I'm not actively selling something. That's my philosophy in LIFE. So when you insinuate - and several times at that - that I'm trying to skew the issue in one way (obviously in your insinuation away from the "truth") simply for the sake of pushing a sale or protecting my "investment," that IS attacking my morals. Maybe your morals don't extend that far, but mine DO.

I don't mind the criticism at ALL. Go back and search through the mentions of these seats, and there ALWAYS people who say they're not worth it, they're too expensive, they're not so nice, blah blah. To each his own. But what WILL get me worked up is someone who obviously has NO real world knowledge with these seats, and making incorrect "conclusions" abou them for others. I try and be very careful before spreading info that's unverified on this forum (thanks to many ppl pointing that out), and as such, I don't accept it from others either. There's too much garbage going on in this forum, so if I KNOW what you're saying is false, I'll do what I believe is my part and make sure people know it's false. It's THAT simple. And I do it for tons of other issues that I have no vested interest in. So get over yourself.

~Ramy

Damn, those seats look nice as hell :grouphug: :D

Edit:

On a serious note, I don't think the seats scream 'steal me.' I suppose it all depends on where you live, but I have 3 alarms on my FD (factory, alpine w/int and ext motion sensor and ignition kill) and would not be overly concerned with having some nice seats in my FD. I drive and park my car in fairly nice areas, and never leave it alone for long. Hell, based on some of what I have read here, I should be terrified that my Fikses will get ripped off and my FD will be relegated to jackstands.

I've had people mention to me that perhaps I post too many pics of my mods on this forum. I am aware that Brad Barber had his highly modded FD stolen and stripped by some lowlife in his local rx7club who used info off of the net to help him steal the car.

I store my FD in an undisclosed location with a gentleman who owns many many firearms. I sleep well at night :).

^^ exactly, unless you are frequently parking your car in a Wal Mart in New Orleans or south of 8 Mile, getting seats stolen out of the car is the least of your worries

jconn, give it up...your point is lame and you've pushed it way past the point anyone cares to hear

Wal Mart in New Orleans... :rofl: You're horrible...

Hey if he's making valid points, I'd have no prob saying "hey...you're right...you have a point." But he ISN'T making valid points. He's seeing things for goodness sake! lol

So much for the truth of that statement.
Subsequent to the post quoted above you replied to another one of my posts.
How can we believe anything you say when you don't keep your word?