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No oil pressure wierd noises

I have a 93 money hole. I meant rx7 im restoring it and i start it every 15 days to make sure it doesn't seize up again like it was from sitting for as old as i am 16 hole years and whenever i start it when releasing the clutch i can hear and feel grinding feedback from the clutch to the pedal and i can hear it granted it may be acorns cause there were alot of those i removed from everywhere in the car along with leafs that almost set the car on fire :nod: and it has no oil pressure BUT i dont have an oil cooler on it im running a loop its just a hose that keeps it flowing there is no cooler would this make it have no pressure or should i be worried the OMP has gone out and seized like the fuel pump i just replaced :doh: i mean it only has 23k miles on it but granted it has been sitting any help would be appreciated also when the car is running im going to add oil to the gas because i dont trust oil injection so would i mix 8 ounces to a gallon of 2 stroke oil? thats what ive heard to do half a quart to a gallon of fuel

There are so many different things NOT right here that I can't help think you're trolling... If you're genuine than I'd suggest you take this car to a professional ASAP. Get it running correctly before you completely destroy what you have left.

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Originally Posted by fendamonky (Post 12092038)

Im not trolling you im serious there is no oil pressure im thinking its because i have it looped and i dont want to take it to a pro because thats big money right there and do i have no oil pressure cause i have no cooler and its just looped or is my omp shot and what the grinding feedback i feel in neutral on the clutch pedal and i completely agree i want to bring it to a pro before i destroy what i have left the car was in a nasty collision with a rock, it rode over a rock sorta that DID NOT BEND THE FRAME but took out the bumper oil cooler radiator the both cooland and winshield wiper reservoirs and the ac condencer it bent the fender in now the headlights dont work in unison the car needs work haha and if you think im trolling going based off the mileage of the car im not joking it has 23k on it original everything on the car

Usually when the OMP fails the car goes into limp mode and will throw the codes. but I have no experience with FD RX7s only my FC RX7s. Have you jacked it up and looked at the undercarriage? all your mounts good and everything? sounds like the car took a bad hit and theres a lot of important crap going on down there.

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Originally Posted by Seamoan (Post 12092042)

Its funny you say that about the codes cause with no good radiator and no good oil cooler you would think it would throw codes but nope not a single code to be thrown odd enough and yes i have looked it looks fine under there its very odd im not sure whats happening i think this weekend im going to take the trans and engine out clean up the engine bay (its very dirty and not rusty but corrosiony)

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Originally Posted by Waltertalt (Post 12092019)

I have a 93 money hole. I meant rx7 im restoring it and i start it every 15 days to make sure it doesn't seize up again like it was from sitting for as old as i am 16 hole years and

I'll try to address this point by point (to the best of my knowledge and patience).

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Originally Posted by Walter

whenever i start it when releasing the clutch i can hear and feel grinding feedback from the clutch to the pedal and i can hear it granted

Grinding while running is NOT good, I would STOP what you're doing because really bad grinding and pinging at idle usually means blown motor. The more you run it like this, the more you will destroy any parts that might otherwise be salvageable.

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Originally Posted by Walt

it may be acorns cause there were alot of those

Acorn inside the engine? Are you fucking kidding me? How in the hell would acorns get INSIDE the engine???? The ONLY access point should be your intake box (if stock) and that has a filter in place to catch anything which may wander up there. ASSUMING that something chewed through the filter and stored their nuts further down, they would still need to bypass the turbos (which isn't likely). And even IF they managed to get past the turbos, they would get caught in, and clog up, the stock intercooler.

So how the hell do you figure there are acorns grinding inside the engine???

(this is troll clue # 1)

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Originally Posted by Walt

and it has no oil pressure BUT i dont have an oil cooler on it im running a loop its just a hose that keeps it flowing there is no cooler would this make it have no pressure

First off, don't run the car without at least one oil cooler. Oil Temp plays a strong role in a rotary, too hot and you're going to fuck yourself. Oil Temp matters even more since the FD is turbo charged, your temps will just go up and up, and up without a cooler.

If you aren't seeing oil pressure inside the cabin it's likely because the wire from your pressure gauge has frayed or become broken off of the sensor. If I remember correctly its a single wire with a spade connecter crimped on. It's on the drivers side of the engine bay under where the oil filter is at. If you see a random wire hanging, and a random sensor probe with nothing connected to I than that's your guy.

https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/...4508492122.jpg

Your engine has a mechanical, chain driven, oil pump. If the engine runs, it runs. So your car has oil pressure if it's working correctly. If you have no oil pressure than you need a rebuild anyway.

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Originally Posted by Walt

or should i be worried the OMP has gone out and seized like the fuel pump i just replaced :doh:

Your Oil Metering Pump (OMP) serves a single purpose, that's to inject a small amount of oil inside of the combustion chamber in order to provide lubrication to your seals. It has nothing to do with overall oil pressure within the engine. Honestly, the fact that it's pulling from the oil pan is/was a compromise intended for oblivious owners (like yourself at this stage) to be able to drive their cars without destroying them (ideally) with minimum owner intervention.

Engine oil for cooling/lubrication is not ideal for use inside the combustion chamber, since it doesn't burn cleanly and will leave large amounts of carbon deposits. Experienced and savvy owners who want to retain the use of the OMP can/will modify it to draw it's lubrication oil from a separate reservoir that it filled with their choice of ashless 2-stroke (TCW-3) oil.

The other option to avoid injecting dirty engine oil into your combustion chamber is to delete the OMP completely and just premix (128:1 ratio). Most people with a working OMP who chose to premix will add .5oz of 2-stroke premix per gallon, if the OMP is disabled or removed owners tend to agree that 1oz per gallon of fuel is the right amount.

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Originally Posted by Walt

i mean it only has 23k miles on it but granted it has been sitting any help would be appreciated also when the car is running im going to add oil to the gas because i dont trust oil injection so would i mix 8 ounces to a gallon of 2 stroke oil? thats what ive heard to do half a quart to a gallon of fuel

At this point your wisest option would be to suck it up and take your car to a professional and pay them to unfuck the vehicle. Chances are your tinkering is just going to further damage the vehicle.

I'd recommend IRP since they're also in New Jersey.

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Originally Posted by fendamonky (Post 12092050)

I'll try to address this point by point (to the best of my knowledge and patience).

Grinding while running is NOT good, I would STOP what you're doing because really bad grinding and pinging at idle usually means blown motor. The more you run it like this, the more you will destroy any parts that might otherwise be salvageable.

Acorn inside the engine? Are you fucking kidding me? How in the hell would acorns get INSIDE the engine???? The ONLY access point should be your intake box (if stock) and that has a filter in place to catch anything which may wander up there. ASSUMING that something chewed through the filter and stored their nuts further down, they would still need to bypass the turbos (which isn't likely). And even IF they managed to get past the turbos, they would get caught in, and clog up, the stock intercooler.

So how the hell do you figure there are acorns grinding inside the engine???

(this is troll clue # 1)

First off, don't run the car without at least one oil cooler. Oil Temp plays a strong role in a rotary, too hot and you're going to fuck yourself. Oil Temp matters even more since the FD is turbo charged, your temps will just go up and up, and up without a cooler.

If you aren't seeing oil pressure inside the cabin it's likely because the wire from your pressure gauge has frayed or become broken off of the sensor. If I remember correctly its a single wire with a spade connecter crimped on. It's on the drivers side of the engine bay under where the oil filter is at. If you see a random wire hanging, and a random sensor probe with nothing connected to I than that's your guy.

https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/...4508492122.jpg

Your engine has a mechanical, chain driven, oil pump. If the engine runs, it runs. So your car has oil pressure if it's working correctly. If you have no oil pressure than you need a rebuild anyway.

Your Oil Metering Pump (OMP) serves a single purpose, that's to inject a small amount of oil inside of the combustion chamber in order to provide lubrication to your seals. It has nothing to do with overall oil pressure within the engine. Honestly, the fact that it's pulling from the oil pan is/was a compromise intended for oblivious owners (like yourself at this stage) to be able to drive their cars without destroying them (ideally) with minimum owner intervention.

Engine oil for cooling/lubrication is not ideal for use inside the combustion chamber, since it doesn't burn cleanly and will leave large amounts of carbon deposits. Experienced and savvy owners who want to retain the use of the OMP can/will modify it to draw it's lubrication oil from a separate reservoir that it filled with their choice of ashless 2-stroke (TCW-3) oil.

The other option to avoid injecting dirty engine oil into your combustion chamber is to delete the OMP completely and just premix (128:1 ratio). Most people with a working OMP who chose to premix will add .5oz of 2-stroke premix per gallon, if the OMP is disabled or removed owners tend to agree that 1oz per gallon of fuel is the right amount.

At this point your wisest option would be to suck it up and take your car to a professional and pay them to unfuck the vehicle. Chances are your tinkering is just going to further damage the vehicle.

I'd recommend IRP since they're also in New Jersey.

Yea true thanks for the info and i never said there were acorns in the engine i said " i can hear and feel grinding feedback from the clutch to the pedal and i can hear it granted it may be acorns cause there were alot of those i removed from everywhere in the car along with leafs that almost set the car on fire"

And while this isn't English class, use some proper punctuation. You're not texting a friend. I gave up half-way through your first post.

Pics or it never happened.

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Originally Posted by Sgtblue (Post 12092130)

And while this isn't English class, use some proper punctuation. You're not texting a friend. I gave up half-way through your first post.

But, he's only 16... We can't REALLY expect him to communicate at a High School level, can we? :rofl:

I chose to ignore the run-on sentence as the least of his failings (though it's probably indicative of his attention to detail and willingness to put extra effort into doing something right) in light of how much other fucked up stuff he was writing about.

I'm still not convinced he isn't a bored troll out for a laugh.

I don't think he's a troll. I do think he doesn't know enough to work on the car but doesn't have the money to pay a shop. Which means he can't afford the car.

As far as the grinding sound coming from the clutch and trans aria goes. To me it sounds like a bad pilot bearing. I bet as soon as you press the clutch pedal it goes away and comes back when you release the clutch pedal.

Thanks, Jim...I mean...JESUS, how hard is it to use grammar correctly?
I've fired people for less.

If you're serious (and I doubt you are, because the level of ignorance and poor punctuation is astounding) then my best advice is to sell the car to someone who knows what they are doing.

"Maybe its acorns making a grinding noise"

"It has no oil pressure, maybe its the oil metering pump"

Good lord.

I don't usually feed trolls but here's a small bit of information. The oil metering pump only drip feeds oil to the combustion chambers to assist normal running. It has NOTHING to do with oil pressure of the engine.

The OIL PUMP is what supplies OIL PRESSURE to the engine.

And in addition to that, if you run any engine (be it rotary or piston) with NO OIL PRESSURE, you are going to kill the engine by seizing it up, in a matter of minutes. You must not, under any circumstances, start an engine with no oil pressure and allow it to just run. You are destroying it and its bearings.

Disappointing to hear you own this car and somehow this eludes you.

First off i am not a troll Second this is was told the rx7 was a nice community full of nice people but i see differently grammar Nazis i never use punctuation online your using you eyes not your mouth. Your eyes dont run out of breath if you couldnt read it and "gave up" halfway through get your eyes checked out bud. And saying i shouldn't own the car seriously dude? Im obviously on the forums to learn about the car where else would i learn? you cant rag on people for trying to learn. And No shit the engines gonna blow with no oil running through... Like someone said earlier i was told the oil pressure dash gauges are prone to failure. Also why are you guys stuck on the fact that "there acorns in the trans" I never ever said that i said the were acorns in the engine bay and in the air box and leafs in the engine bay. If you think im a troll you are dead wrong guys and so much for a "Nice community"

Tbh fam you did kind of imply there were acorns in the trans. Even i had a kek at that. All these people are telling you is you might be in over your head here, and your impatience with constantly firing up the car and grinding it will only lead to bigger problems. I was a wee lad once too and i know that all we want to do is here the thing run. Identify the issues and fix them before you run the engine or you will slowly kill the car.

Now that i go back and look i did say that granted i have not slept in a few days now. And i totally agree i do wannna hear the thing run and i know if i cause damage to the engine its expensive to repair. I am over my head here i feel because i got the car for free i dont value it as much as if i were to have bought the car but Seamoan i appreciate you being ethical here unlike some other "Grown men" on the forum but again thank you

If you FOG the engine then you don't have to start it every 15 days.
If storing a car,especially IF the car is in colder climate (just speaking of "up north here") then the best thing to do is Leave the engine alone..just Fog it,rotate the engine and leave it until it needs to "be started"..(that would be Springtime).

I remember my "hole years" too...

Yea my bud with an fc used to fog his engine and my dad does it to the boat. An rx7 is not ideal up here for the winter AT ALL Trust me you will make it anywhere haha.e Thanks for the advice misterstyx69 and yes the money hole years will be for awhile im finishing high school and joining the marines but i want to keep the car so its just gonna have to wait for a little

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Originally Posted by Waltertalt (Post 12092391)

First off i am not a troll Second this is was told the rx7 was a nice community full of nice people

Who told you that? We *are* nice people, but that doesn't mean that we're going to coddle you as you destroy a vehicle that we all respect. If you need a "safe space" after this little criticism than A) "The Internet" probably isn't a good place for you to hang out, B) The Marine Corps is going to blow your fucking mind, :lol: at the thought of you asking a DI to be "nice" :lol:

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Originally Posted by WallTard

but i see differently grammar Nazis i never use punctuation online your using you eyes not your mouth. Your eyes dont run out of breath if

You're kidding here, right? PLEASE tell me that you're just trolling... Because the alternative is that you're a damned moron. You are implying that punctuation is un-necessary in written communication due to the fact that breathing isn't required??? (learn to love the term "Beat yourself" since I've got a feeling you'll hear that A LOT if you actually go to boot)

Punctuation allows you to communicate your thoughts in a clear and concise manner, and it's the FIRST thing we have access to in order to judge whether or not the help you're asking for will be worth our time to give. Aka, if you're too fucking lazy to ask properly, will you also be too lazy to take our advice?

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And saying i shouldn't own the car seriously dude?

Yes. At this stage in your life you are NOT ready for (responsible) ownership of a car like this.

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Originally Posted by Walt

Im obviously on the forums to learn about the car where else would i learn?

By searching for the answers before asking your questions. These cars have been around longer than you have been alive. Do you REALLY think you're the first person to ever ask these questions? Hell, this forum has been around longer than you've been alive. Others have asked, they've even asked somewhere in these very pages.

Search first, if you've exhausted your capability to help yourself, THEN ask others.

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you cant rag on people for trying to learn.

You aren't trying very effectively.

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Originally Posted by Walt

If you think im a troll you are dead wrong guys and so much for a "Nice community"

As I implied earlier, this IS a nice community. We just don't want to encourage stupidity and sloth. Don't portray yourself as being both stupid AND lazy and you may receive a different welcome. Search for your answers first, ask intelligent questions, structure your posts in an easily digestible manner, and try again.

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Originally Posted by Waltertalt (Post 12092406)

At least you can admit this much. That is a damned good start.

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Originally Posted by Walt

but Seamoan i appreciate you being ethical here unlike some other "Grown men" on the forum but again thank you

That word. I don't think it means what you think it means...

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Walter, post some pics of the engine bay, interior, and body.