Anybody ever ran their clutch out of fluid? *Clutch problems*
09-15-04, 07:38 AM
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Anybody ever ran their clutch out of fluid? *Clutch problems*
Was at the track and made a few passes. Got to the end of the track and hard a hard time getting the car in gear. There was some clunking going on from the bellhousing but when I pushed the clutch in, that noise went away. It also lunged forward when I tried to start the car while in gear. I suspected the clutch was hitting the clutch fork. I looked at the brake/clutch fluid resavoir sp? and it was completely empty. I suspected that I just ran the clutch resavoir side out of fluid blah blah blah. I come home and look underneith, I have a slow leak out of one of my brake fitting on the back wheel so it's not leaking out of the clutch system. I look in the access panel and the clutch is scraped up from hitting the clutch fork.
I bled the clutch half *** and the thumping went away and it go's in gear fine now but it still wants to lunch forward when I start the car in gear. Think I just didn't bleed it good enough?
Anyone have problems with this or insight?
I bled the clutch half *** and the thumping went away and it go's in gear fine now but it still wants to lunch forward when I start the car in gear. Think I just didn't bleed it good enough?
Anyone have problems with this or insight?
09-15-04, 08:05 AM
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Sorry if that sounded mumbled. I wanted to hurry and make a post before I took my wife to work.
Ps. I also took a look at my clutch ring/collar and it seemed in good shape. It still had the throw out bearing attached to the clutch. I have a pressure in my clutch so I doubt my fork is broken. I don't think I'd have any clutch if my fork was broken, right?
My back is blown out so I'm trying to fix the problem without having to pull the transmission.
Ps. I also took a look at my clutch ring/collar and it seemed in good shape. It still had the throw out bearing attached to the clutch. I have a pressure in my clutch so I doubt my fork is broken. I don't think I'd have any clutch if my fork was broken, right?
My back is blown out so I'm trying to fix the problem without having to pull the transmission.
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09-15-04, 09:43 AM
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I don't think I'd have any clutch if my fork was broken, right?
When I changed out my clutch, I lost all my pressure. Took forever doing the normal bleeding but the second time I had to drop my tranny, it took just a few minutes if that with a power bleeder.
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
Most people notice not being able to get into gears with the fork broken. If you can shift into all the gears fine, then the fork is probably fine. If you have access to a power bleeder, I would recommend using one.
When I changed out my clutch, I lost all my pressure. Took forever doing the normal bleeding but the second time I had to drop my tranny, it took just a few minutes if that with a power bleeder.
When I changed out my clutch, I lost all my pressure. Took forever doing the normal bleeding but the second time I had to drop my tranny, it took just a few minutes if that with a power bleeder.
Thanks for replying.
09-15-04, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gargamel
Would the normal pump work that you can rent at autozone? Is that what you're talking about?
Thanks for replying.
Thanks for replying.
http://www.motiveproducts.com/
If you weren't all the way in STL, I'd let you come over to borrow it.
I would just try to keep bleeding it and see if you can build the pressure back up.Does the pedal still feel strange?
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
Oh, did you say the brake/clutch reservoir was empty? You might need to bench bleed the master cylinder. How does your brake pedal feel as well?
Know if that pump from autozone will work?
09-15-04, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Gargamel
Brakes feel perfect. The brake section of the reservoir have a little fluid left but the clutch section of the reservoir was bone dry.
Know if that pump from autozone will work?
Know if that pump from autozone will work?
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
It should be ok if it will fit on the reservoir. That's the only pain with those things is finding fittings for imports. The universal one from Motive actually uses a metal chain around the MC with battery style rods to tighten down a universal top (with rubber seal).
Thanks again.
09-15-04, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gargamel
so I can bleed that by myself or will I need someone else to help? How exactly does that work?
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
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I bled all the air out of the clutch lines and I'm still having the same problem. I put the car in nuetral and rev the motor up, I can hear a fast clicking in the bell housing but when I push the clutch in, the noise gos away. It's probably the clutch fork hitting the clutch somehow. I've got good clutch pressure. It's still trying to spin the tires when I have it in gear and the clutch pedal pushedto the floor.
Can anyone give me some ideas here? The clutch ring looks to be engaged fully and there is wear on the clutch where the clutch fork has been hitting.
Can anyone give me some ideas here? The clutch ring looks to be engaged fully and there is wear on the clutch where the clutch fork has been hitting.
09-16-04, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by razorback
could it be your throw out bearing?
Anyone else...?
09-16-04, 07:13 PM
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E,
Mine is the same way.. I didn't have the fluid problem, but the noises are similar. I have a "clatter" in the bellhousing. Thought it was one of the pressure plate bolts had backed out.. Nope. Thought maybe the Flywheel nut had loosened. Nope. Maybe the TO bearing? Nope. Not the pilot bearing either.. I dropped the tranny today to find NOTHING unusual. Spun the input shaft, and all feels good. Inspected the PP, disk, flywheel, release collar... NOTHING.
You're welcome to swing by. I have all the stuff taken apart so you can look at it and maybe get an idea of what's going on.
Justin
Mine is the same way.. I didn't have the fluid problem, but the noises are similar. I have a "clatter" in the bellhousing. Thought it was one of the pressure plate bolts had backed out.. Nope. Thought maybe the Flywheel nut had loosened. Nope. Maybe the TO bearing? Nope. Not the pilot bearing either.. I dropped the tranny today to find NOTHING unusual. Spun the input shaft, and all feels good. Inspected the PP, disk, flywheel, release collar... NOTHING.
You're welcome to swing by. I have all the stuff taken apart so you can look at it and maybe get an idea of what's going on.
Justin
09-16-04, 11:18 PM
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I'm going to drop my tranni tommorow. I would think if the master cylinder went out then my brakes would act funny too but my brakes are fine.
Anyone else have any ideas?
Justin, I'll get ahold of you on sat. Can you pm me your number? I always forget or lose your number.......
Anyone else have any ideas?
Justin, I'll get ahold of you on sat. Can you pm me your number? I always forget or lose your number.......
09-17-04, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
I think right now your best bet is to drop the tranny and take a look. If the fork looks ok, check the pilot bearing. If those are fine, then it's a hydrolic problem.
09-17-04, 08:28 AM
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Here is a VERY good post by Damon:
Originally Posted by DamonB
I've had a couple throw out bearings and a couple pilot bearings in my car which were replaced each time just because the tranny was out. In neutral with the clutch released you can hear a low growling noise that goes away the instant you depress the clutch. It's not loud enough to make you think something is going wrong but it always been there. The Mazda throwout bearings all just growl a little when there's no load on them I guess.
FYI: If the clutch is not depressed then the engine and input shaft are turning at the same speed, so the pilot bearing is not doing anything. If the clutch is depressed then the engine and input shaft are not at the same speed so the pilot bearing is spinning and at the same time the throwout bearing is under load while it spins.
Noise with the clutch depressed can be either a pilot bearing or a throw out bearing. Difference is that if it's the throwout bearing it will normally growl all the time, getting much louder when the clutch is depressed. A pilot bearing will only make noise when the clutch is depressed and shutup when the clutch is not depressed.
Regarless of which it is the tranny must come out. Replacing either isn't hard although you do need a pilot bearing puller for that one.
FYI: If the clutch is not depressed then the engine and input shaft are turning at the same speed, so the pilot bearing is not doing anything. If the clutch is depressed then the engine and input shaft are not at the same speed so the pilot bearing is spinning and at the same time the throwout bearing is under load while it spins.
Noise with the clutch depressed can be either a pilot bearing or a throw out bearing. Difference is that if it's the throwout bearing it will normally growl all the time, getting much louder when the clutch is depressed. A pilot bearing will only make noise when the clutch is depressed and shutup when the clutch is not depressed.
Regarless of which it is the tranny must come out. Replacing either isn't hard although you do need a pilot bearing puller for that one.
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
Here is a VERY good post by Damon:
09-17-04, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Gargamel
That's good information but unfortunatly it's not my problem. The noise that I'm hearing is the clutch fork hitting the clutch as it spins around. I just need to know why
