Need A/C hoses
 

Howdy,

My son took his car in for a couple things and I asked the mechnic to look at reinstalling the A/C system. He said the only he needed was 5 hoses and through Mazda was $1200. Are there any alternatives to $1200 hoses? I asked another shop sometimes back he said they can refurbish the old hoses, which we don't have.
So does anyone know if there is a cheaper alternative to new Mazda hoses?


Thanks

I would post up a "want to buy" ad on the Southeast forum as well as in the "3rd Generation Specific" section.

There are quite a few people that have eliminated the A/C, though likely only masochists in FLORIDA....lol!

Good luck!

I have a complete ac system out of a 93. Send me a pm if you are interested in purchasing any of the items.

^Bingo ;)

Just make sure the year and model of the donor a/c system is the same as yours. there is a difference in the systems and lines based on year (93 vs 94/95) and model (R1 vs. Touring)

Also a difference in compressors depending on if the system was Japan installed or port installed, if memory serves.....

But once again....THIS is one of the best purposes for this Forum...keepin' 'em on the road. :icon_tup:

go to a hydralic shop to have them make some for u if you cant find any used one in good condition

i just did that for my truck and am suprise how cheap it was

I think he WOULD if he had anything to work with....but he doesn't have squat...so having some made would be...problematic...to say the least.

I agree with you 100% on if you have a hose already that can be copied.

No...they all use the TV14C.

The OP needs to figure out what system is on his car, and then get the correct lines. There are (in theory) 4 different systems to worry about:

R-12 Nippondenso
R-12 MANA
R-134a Nippondenso
R-134a MANA

Year and trim cannot be used as a 100% accurate guide to determining MANA or Nippondenso. The only reliable way is to look at the receiver/drier, expansion valve or evaporator core. The easiest to check being the receiver/dryer. Post some pix of any of any of those components and I'll tell you what system you've got.

If the OP has a factory R-134a system (typically only 1995 cars but late 1994s could be as well) then you're probably going to have to get the parts directly from Mazda since these systems were put on only a handful of cars.

What is this TV14C? Is that the compressor itself? I was thinking those four variants you mentioned all used different compressors? :scratch:

Hum, doesn't sound good for us.
The a/c compressor was already removed when we got the car. So I got one at a garage where we had some work done. So no idea what we have.
A local a/c shop told me they needed the old hoses to recycle/repair them. The fittings are still on the pump side where someone cut the lines off to remove it from some ones car. AARRGG!

Does the car have a sunroof? It may sound silly, but it matters.

No sun roof.
In Florida it gets hotter than the sun itself. Both of the a/c shops said they could get it to work just need the hoses.
I would suppose they could convert it to 134a instead of R12? I think R12 is still available, not sure.

thanks

TV14C is the model number that Nippondenso assigned to this compressor. As far as I can tell, it means Through-Vane 1.4CC displacement, and I have no idea WTF the C on the end stands for.

There may be slight variations in the material the seals are made of between the R-12 and R-134a systems, but as far as I know, that's the only difference. The location and size of the suction and discharge ports are the same, Nippondenso vs MANA.

The sunroof is irrelevant. Gotta look at the existing components.

Is the evaporator still under the dash? If so, have them pull it and post pictures. That'll tell us if it is MANA or Nippondenso.

Bottom line is, if you can find a complete system (condenser, lines, evaporator, evaporator housing, and evaporator thermoswitch) that a reputable seller removed from their car, then you can put it on the car you have regardless of what was there originally. The lines and components are the same overall shape/size for both systems, but the thread pitch/size on the ends of the lines is different, so you can't mix and match components from the different systems, with the exception of the compressor. If you go this route, I would suggest that you get a Nippondenso system because the dryer and expansion valve (and possibly the evaporator) are readily available cheaply since these components were used on a zillion other makes/models of cars.

As for conversion to R-134a, the system will cool better with R-12 and I would recommend that you leave it R-12.

Send a PM to "Fritz Flynn" here on the forum. I'll bet he has some old A/C components and lines around that he'll sell for a good price.

I'm waiting to hear back from a local garage thats removing an A/C system from another 93.
If I don't hear anything in the next few weeks I might have to look else where.

Everything keeps falling through. I have contacted 3 people about their hoses and nothing. Then bid on some on Ebay only to get screwed out of that by some suspicious biding.

So I want to go ahead and order new hoses, but I don't know where or how to find MANA system part numbers?
I checked with mazda-parts.com they have a/c hoses, but they don't seem to know what system they are for.

later

Ray Crowe at Malloy Mazda is your absolute best bet. Search for his name on the forum. The best reputation of any dealership...and almost anyone...in delivering OEM parts at great prices to us.

I have some of the AC lines from a roomate who eliminated his AC and left them at our house. I think he had a 94 Touring. I'll take pics of them and post them when I get home from work.

Is it possible to use custom A/C hoses?

i have a/c system laying around too... pm me if you want it..

So I found these two lines. The "cannister thing" is different from my 93 Freon system.

That "cannister thing" would be from a Nippondenso system.

It is doubtful that hoses and their fittings would fit in the stock spaces. They're physically larger than the factory hard lines, and the fittings are HUGE compared to the stock ones. Otherwise, yes...stringing hose all over the place would work fine.