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Julian 02-18-12 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Redrotary23 (Post 10980124)
Tired of talking, if anybody else wants anymore information then hit me up with an email and ill send it to you.

You sent us in a full circle; please do more research before claiming the Holy Grail.

This petition was approved and resulted in:

4. Docket No. NHTSA-98-4578
Nonconforming Vehicles: 1987-1995 Mazda RX-7
Substantially similar U.S.-certified vehicles: 1994-1997 Mazda
RX-7
Notice of Petition published at: 63 FR 58090 (October 29, 1998)
Vehicle Eligibility Number: VSP-279

But if VSP-279 looks familiar it's because that is the eligibility number for importing LHD versions of the RX-7. So still no RHD's allowed.

Redrotary23 02-18-12 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Julian (Post 10984260)
This piece of paper refers to a petition to request a ruling from the NHTSA. That is not a approval, just acknowledgment of receipt of a request. Show the Ruling.
The petition also does not state RHD vs LHD perhaps intentionally, but submitter does claim "identical" air bag and seat belt system; sorry but to the Fed's Identical does not include mirror image. I have no skin in this game, I just don’t want people to set false hopes or worst, get the car into the country, get it titled and registered in a state (that part is not so hard) and then one day have the Feds come by, confiscate the car and crush it up. It happens on a higher percentage than an IRS audit so don’t play the gamble, they don’t track from the individual up but from the “dealer” down.
I am not stating that we have no RHD RX-7's over here. I am stating that they are NOT Federally approved and thus illegal and thus subject to forfeiture.

True it is a petition, there is another paper that states the petitioner must be able to prove in order for it to be petitioned, in the case crash tested. Also if you read it a little closer it states "it carefully compared the Non-U.S. Certified 1987-1995 Mazda rx7 to it's U.S. Certified counter part". Non U.S certified would be RHD, it's something you have to read inbetween the lines for. So in this case I'm still not giving a false hope. Thanks to this RI petitioning it, the NHTSA has granted it to be legal, or fedarally legal as you say. If you want that paper too I can provide it. Let me know

dgeesaman 02-18-12 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Redrotary23 (Post 10984337)
True it is a petition, there is another paper that states the petitioner must be able to prove in order for it to be petitioned, in the case crash tested. Also if you read it a little closer it states "it carefully compared the Non-U.S. Certified 1987-1995 Mazda rx7 to it's U.S. Certified counter part". Non U.S certified would be RHD, it's something you have to read inbetween the lines for. So in this case I'm still not giving a false hope. Thanks to this RI petitioning it, the NHTSA has granted it to be legal, or fedarally legal as you say. If you want that paper too I can provide it. Let me know

There are no lines to read between. There were various other LHD RX-7s sent to parts of the world. Usually very small markets. Those non-US LHDs are the cars this refers to.

David

Redrotary23 02-18-12 11:34 AM

Non-us refers to any car that's not US certified being it LHD or RHD.

JamesVaughn3rd 02-18-12 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by dgeesaman (Post 10984346)
There are no lines to read between. There were various other LHD RX-7s sent to parts of the world. Usually very small markets. Those non-US LHDs are the cars this refers to.

David

I don't care either way but this does seem unlikely to me. Then again the Fed gov has wasted more than the time it took them to write a federal register about the maybe 500 (could be off here) Non-us LHD Rx-7s, with probably not one person asking the gov if they could import it.

I'll never get how you can register a hand made kit car but not one that was manufactured by a reputable international car company from one of the top economic powers of the world.

dgeesaman 02-18-12 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by JamesVaughn3rd (Post 10984823)
I'll never get how you can register a hand made kit car but not one that was manufactured by a reputable international car company from one of the top economic powers of the world.

It is ridiculous, I agree.

David

Julian 02-19-12 12:47 AM


Originally Posted by Redrotary23 (Post 10984337)
True it is a petition, there is another paper that states the petitioner must be able to prove in order for it to be petitioned, in the case crash tested. Also if you read it a little closer it states "it carefully compared the Non-U.S. Certified 1987-1995 Mazda rx7 to it's U.S. Certified counter part". Non U.S certified would be RHD, it's something you have to read inbetween the lines for. So in this case I'm still not giving a false hope. Thanks to this RI petitioning it, the NHTSA has granted it to be legal, or fedarally legal as you say. If you want that paper too I can provide it. Let me know

Read my excerpt of the VSP assignment it is the same Docket number for the petition you quoted. Now ready the VSP list of eligible cars, not "RHS" stated next to RX-7 and notes above state if RHD is not listed then eligibility so only for LHD. And as mentioned elsewhere LHD to '95 models went all over the world except to Japan, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Hong Kong (all small markets outside of japan). That leaves all of Europe, Canada, Mexico, South America, Middle East, Russia with LHD’s open to import; but why bother, it’s the 99-02 Japanese only market cars and ’06 SP edition in Australia that have enough mystique to put up with steering from the wrong side of the road.


Julian 02-19-12 12:48 AM


Originally Posted by Redrotary23 (Post 10984353)
Non-us refers to any car that's not US certified being it LHD or RHD.

Go to the NHTSA site and READ the f.. document.

Redrotary23 02-19-12 01:44 AM


Originally Posted by Julian (Post 10985048)
Go to the NHTSA site and READ the f.. document.

I've read the document through and through and verified key points with the DOD shipping company.... If it's illegal I don't think DOD would ship it to the states.

Redrotary23 02-19-12 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by Julian (Post 10985047)
Read my excerpt of the VSP assignment it is the same Docket number for the petition you quoted. Now ready the VSP list of eligible cars, not "RHS" stated next to RX-7 and notes above state if RHD is not listed then eligibility so only for LHD. And as mentioned elsewhere LHD to '95 models went all over the world except to Japan, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Hong Kong (all small markets outside of japan). That leaves all of Europe, Canada, Mexico, South America, Middle East, Russia with LHD’s open to import; but why bother, it’s the 99-02 Japanese only market cars and ’06 SP edition in Australia that have enough mystique to put up with steering from the wrong side of the road.


Very valid point. But it also states something else, not at home right now so I can quote it.

BlackRZ 02-28-12 06:02 AM

3rd go in Japan..... Listen to the members!
 

Originally Posted by caredden (Post 10980135)
Please do prove me wrong. Again, ask the owner if he did what was required - answer will be NO.

I am NOT talking about the process. I am talking about the car you mention for sale.



Just so you know this isn't CAREDDEN's first time in Japan and this is my third time in Japan. You cannot bring it back legally, I have a 98 FD and I've had actual email conversations with the EPA and DOT. If it's over 25 years old there is no problem. However because your car is a RHD it cannot be legally imported. There are ways to get it in, BUT like everyone else has told you if you try to register it don't be upset if you get a visit from the Fed's. I know they were pulling Skylines off the streets in Cali and even grabbed a friends in LA from the paint shop.

There is a ton of experience on this website it would be in your best interest to listen to what they have to say. Bring back the parts and buy a LHD FD or bring back the shell and risk the chance of getting caught at the port and the trouble of registering it. If there was a way to do it and get away with it, believe me, you would be getting a lot of support from the members on here of how to do it. Just food for thought.

Redrotary23 02-28-12 06:25 AM

I've actually given up on it man, wife does not want to deal with it so my IHC said I can just buy one in the states. Sorry if I miss led anyone. I've actually been in Japan for a while myself, going on 4 years here soon.

NWDrift 06-12-12 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by dgeesaman (Post 10942658)
Florida will register just about any car, regardless of how fraudulently it was imported.

I read something about Arizona registering just about anything too, including RHDs. Is this true?


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