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zkeller 11-08-04 10:57 PM

Modified FD insurance
 
I have exhausted my efforts. I have been trying to find insurance that will cover all my goodies, as well as the car. I am figuring at least $40,000.00.

State Farm only covers the book value.

Does anyone know of an insurance carrier that will cover my car and all the goodies?

I checked with Haggerty and a few others and they do not support cars this new. One would not cover it because it is turbo charged. Haggerty did mention that they will soon be starting a "tuner" insurance program.

Thanks

c00lduke 11-08-04 11:50 PM

I thought state farm had a stated value insurance program? When i talked to them they said they did.

jimlab 11-09-04 12:02 AM

I can't remember where I got this from, but FWIW...


We're going to let you in on a little secret that's especially good news if you own a classic/collectible car. The potential for you to acquire dirt-cheap insurance that's also very comprehensive is now greater than ever.

Strange but true. Insuring a classic, antique, or not-often-used exotic like a Ferrari, Porsche, older Corvette, or Dodge Viper is a very reasonable thing to do despite the astronomical value of some of these cars. For example, certain classic 'Vettes from the '50s and '60s are worth well over $100,000 and some Ferraris command seven-figure prices on the open market.

So if a car is worth a million bucks, how can you insure it for so little in relation to its overall value? Simple. Contact a company such as Hagerty Classic Insurance that specializes in writing policies on collectible, classic and antique cars. Incidentally, the company also insures classic wooden boats, which is how Hagerty got its start.

The historical background of Hagerty begins with the company existing as a general agency for 27 years. After that time, the firm realized there was a void in the wooden-boat collector market, which wasn't offering insurance coverage for wooden boats. In 1983, Hagerty Classic Insurance was born and in 1991, the company added classic and collectible cars to its coverage umbrella.

Today, Hagerty insures just about any type of collectible car or truck you can think of, along with those wonderful wooden boats. In general, vehicles built before 1970 are a shoe-in, but as anyone into collectible wheels will tell you, there's plenty of valuable iron built after 1970. Hagerty will cover those vehicles, too. Specific types of insurable machines include antiques, classics (pre- and post-war), show cars, trucks, classic motorcycles, muscle cars, exotics, street rods and customs.

Now that you know what can be insured, let's take a look at how it can be covered. Hagerty, along with most of the companies listed at the end of this story, use agreed value policies. There are three basic types of auto insurance available today: Actual cash value (ACV), stated value and agreed value. ACV coverage is what insures most of the cars you see on the road. These vehicles are insured for purchased or book value and owners usually receive book value or less in the event of a claim.

Stated value insurance is what large and some specialty insurers use to insure collectible cars. It's better than ACV coverage because it allows you to "state" a value for your car that might be higher than its purchased or book value.

But stated value can still depreciate cars because these types of policies only have to pay "up to" the "stated" amount. Agreed value is the type of policy that Hagerty bases all its business on. It guarantees that the policy owner will receive every dime for which the vehicle is insured. Of the three types of polices, only agreed value ensures you will get all your money back in the event of a total loss.

There are several other benefits of collector-vehicle type insurance that you should keep in mind when shopping for insurance with Hagerty or any other company. Remember, most collectible cars don't depreciate. In fact, many cars increase in value as time goes by. Standard insurance assumes a vehicle depreciates with age. This isn't the case with collector car insurance. Companies such as Hagerty know that classics appreciate as the years roll by.

Hagerty also offers this very appealing aspect with its policies: There's only one liability charge per collection, not per car. So if you own more than one car, you pay one lump sum for the whole collection. Some Hagerty customers own hundreds of vehicles. Hagerty's reasoning is that a customer can only drive one vehicle at a time, so the single liability charge is logical.

Another good thing is that the owner can use a repair shop they know and trust. There's no need for multiple estimates. Hagerty will work with a customer's favorite repair shop, because they realize that many collectible cars need specialized attention and facilities to make sure the repair is done right.

One of the key reasons that Hagerty can offer low rates on collectible vehicles that are not driven daily is because they require the insured to have another vehicle that serves as a daily driver. They won't write you a policy on a collectible vehicle until you prove you have another vehicle that also has its own separate policy and it's your primary driver.

Once that's addressed, the low rates of a Hagerty (or any other specialized insurance company) policy are impressive. While some companies have mileage limits on a collectible vehicle, Hagerty doesn't have absolute restrictions on how often a vehicle can be driven. In other words, you can't drive the car every single day, but you could take the vehicle on such events as weekend road trips with a club or to a show.

Basically, Hagerty says this about how a car can be used: "We recognize that owners of collectible vehicles like to drive them, as well as collect and show them. Unlike some specialty insurance programs, we are flexible about how you use your collector car. As long as you have regular daily transportation for work and errands, and that car is insured, you are free to drive your collector car in a manner consistent with owning a valuable car." Hagerty even insures vintage race cars for transport to and from the track and while they're sitting in the pits. Once the car enters a racetrack for competitive track time or even open-track practice, though, the vehicle is not insured.

The final benefit of collector car insurance that we know you're itching to hear about is the rates. As we mentioned at the outset, they're low - real low in some instances. In fact, Hagerty told us that a stock collectible car (say, for example, a '67 Camaro) that's worth about $10,000 could be insured for as little as $100 per year.

While we don't have hard proof of that, we do happen to have an Edmunds.com staffer who actually has a Hagerty policy on two classic Fords.

The pictured vehicles covered with that Hagerty policy are a '66 Mustang fastback and a '64 Fairlane 500 two-door sedan. Total price for a full-year of coverage, including liability, theft and collision, on both cars, is a paltry $419.

The breakdown is as follows. Liability at $100,000 per accident is $29. Uninsured motorist at $35,000 per accident is $6. Medical payments at $5,000 per accident are $8.

The agreed value on the Fairlane is $12,500 and there is no deductible for either car. The premium on the Fairlane for collision is $87 and for events other than collision, it's $88, for a total of $175. For the Mustang on an agreed value of $15,000, the premiums for both collision and events other than collision are $105, for a total of $210. With a total of $428, there is a California mandatory credit listed on the policy for $9, making the total $419. We'd say that's a bargain in anyone's book.

Listed below are several FAQs that Hagerty gets on a regular basis. We also provided a list of additional companies that insure collectible vehicles.


Frequently Asked Questions

1. Are most collector cars insured by collector car insurance programs?
No. Specialty programs today insure less than half of the collector vehicles on the road. Although collector car insurance has been available for nearly 50 years, most owners of collectibles, specialty cars and street rods are still insuring them through a standard insurance company despite the higher cost and often more restrictive policies.

2. Do specialty insurance programs cost less than standard insurance?
Yes. Premiums at standard insurance companies can cost up to 300-percent more than a specialty program. Although standard companies provide adequate coverage for the "daily driver," they rarely offer the added benefits associated with collector car programs.

3. How different are insurance programs for collector vehicles?
Levels of service, rates and types of coverage and claims handling all vary from program to program. Anyone insuring a collectible should research all programs before making a decision. Varying costs should be considered, of course, but shouldn't be the sole determining factor. Remember, you are buying a service, so look for quality customer service, excellent claims handling, a knowledgeable staff who know and understand collectible vehicles and overall stability of the program.

4. Aren't there different kinds of insurance coverage?
There are three types of auto insurance offered today: actual cash value (ACV), stated value and agreed value. All three are explained in the text above.

5. Are vehicles of all ages considered by specialty insurance programs?
As noted in the text above, in addition to autos 25 years and older, some specialty insurance programs now consider newer vehicles such as exotic and sports cars like Ferraris, Porsches, Corvettes and Vipers. It's best to inquire on a per-vehicle basis.

6. Do collector car policies impose mileage restrictions?
Many specialty programs limit owners to driving collectible or classic vehicles or street rods to only 2,500 miles per year. Companies such as Hagerty offer flexible usage guidelines and encourage collectors, especially those who are true hobbyists, to drive and enjoy their vehicles. Hagerty, however, does require that the collector or hobbyist own a daily driver that is used and separately insured for everyday driving.

7. Must I drive my collectible only in parades or shows? What about a Sunday cruise?
Enthusiasts like to share their collectible car or truck with others. This could be during a Sunday drive or displaying the vehicle in parades and shows. Some programs require the vehicle be in the owner's presence at all times when not in the garage. Collectors should consider these types of restrictions and find a policy with flexible usage guidelines that best suit their overall needs.

8. How do I value my vehicle?
There are many factors considered when valuing a vehicle. The first thing is whether the car is a stock original vehicle. If so, there are many resource guides and pricing books that provide value guidelines based upon the overall condition of the vehicle. But, because every modified car is different, valuation is more difficult. The best way to value a modified vehicle or street rod is to keep detailed lists of all restoration work and any added aftermarket and performance parts, receipts for all parts and labor and any documentation describing work done on the vehicle. Appraisals help, but they're not always necessary.

9. Is it important to consider insurance before purchasing a collectible?
Definitely. Insurance is often a mandatory requirement of owning a vehicle, as well as a necessity for protecting your investment. Therefore, you do want to consider your potential insurance costs. Interested hobbyists and collectors can now afford to own, insure and enjoy their classics because specialty insurance programs offer lower rates than standard insurance companies. For collectors with several vehicles, some programs, including Hagerty's, offer a single liability charge rather than a charge per vehicle.


Insurance Companies offering Collectible Vehicle Policies

Acorida Insurance Services, (800) 648-1600

American Collectors Insurance, (800) 360-2277

Condon & Skelly, (800) 257-9496

The Gorsline Company, (800) 805-0034

Grundy Worldwide, (800) 338-4005

Hagerty Classic Insurance, (800) 922-4050

Heacock Insurance Group, (800) 678-5173

J.C. Taylor Antique Auto Insurance, (800) 345-8290

K&K Insurance, (800) 548-0858

Leland West Insurance Brokers, (800) 237-4722

Parish Motorsports Insurance, (800) 274-1804

KaiFD3S 11-09-04 12:14 AM

I have an extra 10,000 coverage on mine and I am with 21st century

RacerX_IU 11-09-04 12:35 AM

just claim all the parts under home owners insurance

TT_Rex_7 11-09-04 12:47 AM

I have Liberty Mutual, and when I called them to ask about some sort of special insurance for my 240 and rx7, they told me as long as I have the receipts to all the items I've purchased for the cars they'll cover it without being charged extra. I'm not sure if they will cover installation charges or not though.

-Alex

dgeesaman 11-09-04 11:23 AM

I have State Farm, and since I paid more the blue book value (a low mileage R2s could never be replaced for blue book value) I asked about it. They will not cover modifications to cars (and probably increase your risk if you do) but if the car is mostly stock they will pay out fair market value.

As far as modifications go, I guess homeowners or an additional gap coverage plan will work.

TwinTriangles 11-09-04 11:52 AM

I have Geico with vehicle coverage up to $40k, I had to send them my receipts and explain to them it is a "rare japanese super-car" but they had really no problems with it, After I sent them reciepts they pretty much said how much coverage do you need... I pay $202/month for my FD and my pickup...

adam c 11-09-04 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by RacerX_IU
just claim all the parts under home owners insurance

Wrong. It doesn't work that way.

adam c 11-09-04 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by TT_Rex_7
I have Liberty Mutual, and when I called them to ask about some sort of special insurance for my 240 and rx7, they told me as long as I have the receipts to all the items I've purchased for the cars they'll cover it without being charged extra. I'm not sure if they will cover installation charges or not though.

-Alex

Wrong. Talk to someone at the insurance company that knows what they are doing. Insurance companies do not offer "blanket coverage" without charging extra. For example, lets say that you go out and buy a set of rims for $6000, and a new paint job for another $6000, and an new stereo for $3000. Thats $15000 in "special equipment" that you have not paid ANY extra premium to cover. There is no way they will cover that.

No way!!

jsplit 11-09-04 01:01 PM

adam's right here. My wife works for Liberty Mutual and they don't have that kind of blanket coverage. My fd is insured through them and I pay a premium for all extra coverage above blue book value.


Originally Posted by adam c
Wrong. Talk to someone at the insurance company that knows what they are doing. Insurance companies do not offer "blanket coverage" without charging extra. For example, lets say that you go out and buy a set of rims for $6000, and a new paint job for another $6000, and an new stereo for $3000. Thats $15000 in "special equipment" that you have not paid ANY extra premium to cover. There is no way they will cover that.

No way!!


apneablue 11-09-04 01:21 PM

I have state farm and I thought I was covered for my mods but maybe not. Will check...otherwise I have to change to someone who does.

Scrapiron7 11-09-04 01:23 PM

My wife is my insurance agent and we have our insurance through a very selective company called West Bend. They require receipts of everything on the car if I want it covered in case something were to happen.

KaiFD3S 11-09-04 01:36 PM

strange my insurance company, 21st century did not ask to provide receipts, all they did was raise my insurance...hmmmm...maybe I should call them just to make sure...

akiratdk 11-09-04 01:37 PM

FD = Rare exotic Cars???????????????

Damn.... the wierd thing is that in Japan you can easily find FD's for as low as 2000 dollars!!!! And its considered like a CRX there....especially 92 - 95's. It amazes me so much how the FD's in america are considered rare exotics..... hehehe.
my 2 cents........ just drive it.. with no worries... its only a car.

Mahjik 11-09-04 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by apneablue
I have state farm and I thought I was covered for my mods but maybe not. Will check...otherwise I have to change to someone who does.

Talk to your agent. I'm also with State Farm and it's basically like TwinTriangles posted above. I really don't have a lot in my car to make it worth it so I never sent any receipts.

Basically what State Farm said was that they cover enhancements to the car for "non wear" items. For instance, new tires may be an enhancement over what you had before, but they will wear out so those aren't covered. If you get a rim/tire combo, you are only covered for the amount of the rims.

The engine was another one which I don't believe is covered. So, dropping a $1500 bridge port job with ceramic seals into the car doesn't mean you'll get that money back if it gets stolen.

adam c 11-09-04 01:55 PM

Unless you pay extra premiums for specific items, insurance companies only pay far the cost of replacing stock equipment. If you go out and spend money on rims, the insurance co will only pay the cost of replacing stock rims. If your aftermarket rims are more expensive, you will be out the difference. Of course, stock rims (from a Mazda dealer) can be very expensive. :)

walken 11-09-04 07:48 PM

American Family covered mine and all the aftermarket parts with no question. I just gave them all my receipts and they mailed me a check a couple weeks later. If they are in your area, maybe you should give them a call.

TT_Rex_7 11-10-04 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by adam c
Wrong. Talk to someone at the insurance company that knows what they are doing. Insurance companies do not offer "blanket coverage" without charging extra. For example, lets say that you go out and buy a set of rims for $6000, and a new paint job for another $6000, and an new stereo for $3000. Thats $15000 in "special equipment" that you have not paid ANY extra premium to cover. There is no way they will cover that.

No way!!

Well the day I went to pick up my 240 after having a wide body and paint job on it I called to see what I needed to do for some sort of extra coverage incase I was to get hit or something on my way back home with it. They stated they charged extra to cover aftermarket parts for trucks, suvs and vans, but not on cars. Sounded to good to be true but thats just simply what I was told, but I guess I better change something in case I have to file a claim.

-Alex

twokrx7 11-10-04 05:12 AM

What I was told for Texas is that basic car insurance policies are all the same as state law dictates coverage. If you have a special rider or other policy ignore this. The car and it's modifications are covered up to whatever the stated limit is on your policy, most are $50k. BUT, it will likely go to arbitration if the insurance carrier decides not to pay what you are claiming.

jimlab 11-10-04 11:14 AM

OK, don't everyone thank me at once for posting the information on extended insurance coverage... :)

Second, I see a lot of "I was told" or "I heard". If you don't have it in writing, GET IT IN WRITING. You cannot rely on what an insurance agent told you over the phone. It is your responsibility to A) document all the changes you want covered with pictures and receipts, and B) make DAMN sure that you're covered by explicitly adding extended coverage to your policy. Phone conversations don't count. GET IT IN WRITING.

poorboyracing 11-10-04 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by jimlab
OK, don't everyone thank me at once for posting the information on extended insurance coverage... :)

Second, I see a lot of "I was told" or "I heard". If you don't have it in writing, GET IT IN WRITING. You cannot rely on what an insurance agent told you over the phone. It is your responsibility to A) document all the changes you want covered with pictures and receipts, and B) make DAMN sure that you're covered by explicitly adding extended coverage to your policy. Phone conversations don't count. GET IT IN WRITING.

:bigthumb:

adam c 11-10-04 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by twokrx7
What I was told for Texas is that basic car insurance policies are all the same as state law dictates coverage. If you have a special rider or other policy ignore this. The car and it's modifications are covered up to whatever the stated limit is on your policy, most are $50k. BUT, it will likely go to arbitration if the insurance carrier decides not to pay what you are claiming.

Very few insurance policys are "stated limit" policies. Far less than 1%. If there is a stated limit, it is what ever you agree upon with your insurance company. Saying that most are $50k is preposterous.

John Magnuson 11-10-04 01:23 PM

I used to have a Mustang in mint condition with many aftermarket performance modifications. The car was totaled in an accident for which I was not at fault. The driver who was at fault was insured with All State and I have to fight them for six months in order to get a fair settlement. I almost hired a lawyer and should have. The law states that the insurance company liability is the "fair replacement value". I ended up getting about twice blue book for my car. I had to send lots of letter and receipts and complain about my "whiplash" that might just go away if I got a fair settlement on my car.

A buddy of mine imported a Nissan Skyline Nur edition and had it legalized for use in California. It cost him about $120K to get everything imported and legalized and he was able to get an insurance policy that covered him for the $120K.

-John

adam c 11-10-04 01:55 PM

There is a difference in what your insurance company will pay, if your car is totalled, and what the other guys company will pay if he is at fault. Your company has limited responsibility. The other guys company has to pay what your car is worth as long as the value does not exceed his policy limits.

zkeller 12-05-04 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by akiratdk
FD = Rare exotic Cars???????????????

Damn.... the wierd thing is that in Japan you can easily find FD's for as low as 2000 dollars!!!! And its considered like a CRX there....especially 92 - 95's. It amazes me so much how the FD's in america are considered rare exotics..... hehehe.
my 2 cents........ just drive it.. with no worries... its only a car.

And after having one stolen a couple of years ago and losing upwards of 10 grand, it is not that funny, hehehe.

thanks for the help guys. Jim, I called Haggety, no luck.

They did say that they plan in the real near future to have a "Tuner" class for people like us who have double plus in there car than what it is worth on paper.

cosmicbang 12-05-04 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by zkeller
.. checked with Haggerty and a few others and they do not support cars this new. One would not cover it because it is turbo charged. Haggerty did mention that they will soon be starting a "tuner" insurance program.

Thanks

If you have several other collector vehicles insured with them, it might make a difference. Unfortunately that may not help you, but thought I would mention it anyway. Be sure to read any policy very carefully, especially if it is not from one of the usual specialty companies.

zkeller 12-05-04 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by cosmicbang
If you have several other collector vehicles insured with them, it might make a difference. Unfortunately that may not help you, but thought I would mention it anyway. Be sure to read any policy very carefully, especially if it is not from one of the usual specialty companies.

Agreed. There was one that I was looking at. Checked the fine print, and it would not cover the car unless is was parked in a locked and alarmed garage every night.

My FD was stolen at a bodyshop, so in that case, it would not have been covered.

Now my FD sits in a lock, alarmed, cameras, barred window garage with the door openers turned off at night, and the car has a hidden fuel pump switch.

Once you have the love of your life stolen, you will do the same ;)

macdaddy 12-06-04 08:32 AM

In general, what you want is insurance on either a "stated" or "appraised" value for your car. Which term is used and how much documentation you need will depend on the state and the insurance company. Some of the usual auto insurance companies will do this in some states - in others you have to go to specialty companies. You absolutely have to read through all that fine print legalese and make sure you understand it and are getting what you think you're getting. You can probably do this on your own, but a decent insurance agent can make this a lot easier, and if you have other coverage with that agent (home, auto, etc.), it may help with discounts, or even finding someone who will cover you at all.

cosmicbang 12-06-04 09:58 AM

The fine print is EXTREMELY important. If in doubt, have your attorney look at the policy. Simply reading the words"stated value or "stated amount" in a policy is not sufficient. Here is an interesting article from another car club:
http://www.bricklin.org/TechCentral/TCCar_Insurance.htm

Larz 12-06-04 11:07 AM

Question: if someone else plows your car, are they under legal obligation to reimburse you for aftermarket parts? I think as rare as our cars are, special considerations should be taken, also. I will never find a low mileage FD for the blue book value. It was a miracle finding the one that I have now.

GoodfellaFD3S 12-06-04 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by akiratdk
FD = Rare exotic Cars???????????????

Damn.... the wierd thing is that in Japan you can easily find FD's for as low as 2000 dollars!!!! And its considered like a CRX there....especially 92 - 95's. It amazes me so much how the FD's in america are considered rare exotics..... hehehe.

If this was www.CamryClub.com then I would agree with you. But it's not, and you're waaaaay out there on every point you make.

How many FDs are there left on the roads of the U.S.? Less than 10,000 would be my guess. This isn't Japan. The car has not been sold here for almost 10 years. I see more Ferraris on the road than FDs. This is where the 'rare' comes from.

Add to that many many years and tens of thousands of dollars in modifications and installation blood, sweat and tears, and perhaps you can see where many of us are coming from.

And as someone who owns a CRX and an FD, I will just say that I think you are way off base there as well.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it seems you view your FD as 'just transportation,' which definitely puts you into the vast minority of people on this forum.

Oh, and Jim, that was a great post. You are definitely a valued member of the forum in my book ;)

adam c 12-06-04 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Larz
Question: if someone else plows your car, are they under legal obligation to reimburse you for aftermarket parts? I think as rare as our cars are, special considerations should be taken, also. I will never find a low mileage FD for the blue book value. It was a miracle finding the one that I have now.

They are obligated to pay for your damages. That means fixing your car to the same condition as before the accident, or paying the full cost to replace it. In the case of a modified FD, you will have to present evidence to support a higher payment due to aftermarket parts.

An insurance company is only obligated to pay up to the limit of the policy. In Ca., state law allows people to buy policies with property damage coverage as low as $5000. If a guy with this coverage totals your FD, the insurance co. will give you 5K, and you will have to try to collect the rest on your own. In most cases, you won't be able to collect.

Larz 12-06-04 12:07 PM

So if I'm in a Ferrari, and a guy slams into me with his POS, I could be assed out? Or is my insurance obligated to make up the cost or wring it out of the other company?

cosmicbang 12-06-04 12:19 PM

"Uninsured or underinsured motorist coverage" might cover losses in that case. Depending on your policy it might mean your insurance covers the difference and then attempts to collect from the other party through civil action. But read the fine print to be sure.

adam c 12-06-04 12:22 PM

If you have collision coverage, your company will pay to fix your car. They will try to collect from the other guy and/or his insurance co. for reimbursement. This is called subrogation.

If you are driving a Ferrari, and don't have collision coverage, you are at great risk. Same thing with an FD, or any expensive car. So, yes you could be "assed out" without collision coverage.

adam c 12-06-04 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by cosmicbang
"Uninsured or underinsured motorist coverage" covers losses in that case. Depending on your policy it might mean your insurance covers the difference and then attempts to collect from the other party through civil action. But read the fine print to be sure.

Uninsured motorist coverages for property damage (UMPD) typically have low limits, and won't pay the full cost to repair an expensive car. In Ca. statutory UMPD coverage is only $3,500. Underinsured motorist coverages generally refer to bodily injury, so that won't fix your car.

cosmicbang 12-06-04 01:22 PM

It varies by state. In Virginia, the statutory limit for uninsured motorist property damage is not less than $25,000, and shall "...equal but not exceed the limits of the liability insurance provided by the policy..." (Code of Virginia § 38.2-2206) My policies have an endorsement titled "Uninsured Motorists coverage - Virginia." The endorsement amends the policy and includes property damage as well as bodily injury resulting from uninsured or underinsured motorists.

adam c 12-06-04 02:14 PM

Uninsured motorist property damge coverage has a minumum of $20K in Virginia.

http://www.autoinsurancelaw.com/virg...rance-law.html

If you carry collision coverage, UMPD does not apply. UM collision deductible waiver would be the coverage that would be applicable.

badinfluencemp 12-06-04 03:30 PM

if you total it buy it back and gut it then sell it for parts i dont know anyone who has an fd and isnt looking for a part every few months but the best thing i can tell you is DONT WRECK IT...but thats a gimme

cosmicbang 12-06-04 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by adam c
Uninsured motorist property damge coverage has a minumum of $20K in Virginia.

http://www.autoinsurancelaw.com/virg...rance-law.html

Correct, I should have said $20,000, and equal to but not exceeding the limits of the liability insurance provided by the policy. (Don't most policies have property damage liability limits higher than $20,00?) The actual statute can be found here:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+38.2-2206\


If you carry collision coverage, UMPD does not apply. UM collision deductible waiver would be the coverage that would be applicable.
I'm looking at my policy and not sure what you mean by "UM collision deductible waiver" vs. "UM property damage." It is all lumped together in the UM section. If you mean the collision coverage is applied first, that is my understanding. The Uninsured Motorist section's Limits of Liability paragraph says:

"Property damage" shall be excess over any other collectible insurance provided under
(1) Part D of this policy (edit: the "coverage for damage to your auto" section)
(2) Any other policy providing coverage for the "property damage"
This got me to wondering about deductibles. The "Part D" (damage to your auto -- collision/other than collision) has exclusions and limits of liability different from those in the UM section. The exclusions in the UM endorsement say there is a $200 deductible for hit and run (as allowed by § 38.2-2206), otherwise no deductible. A collision deductible could be $0, or higher or lower than $200. So if I get hit by an UM and have $0 collision deductible do I have to pay anything? (Hopefully not.) If someone with $500 collision deductible gets hit by an UM do they pay a $500 deductible or a $200 deductible? If they pay $500 they would have been better off without having collision and just using the UM coverage! Weird. But that wouldn't justify not having "collision" coverage, and hopefully everyone has it.

Thanks.

the_glass_man 12-06-04 04:57 PM

Most companies only do bluebook or cost new minus depreciation. You've got to be careful because lots of insurance companies these days will drop you or not take you on if they find out your car has certain modifications, including many of the ones that we all have. You could try a place like American Collectors Insurance www.americancollectorsins.com. You may also want to look into have your vehicle appraised.

the_glass_man 12-06-04 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by cosmicbang
Correct, I should have said $20,000, and equal to but not exceeding the limits of the liability insurance provided by the policy. (Don't most policies have property damage liability limits higher than $20,00?) The actual statute can be found here:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+38.2-2206\

I'm looking at my policy and not sure what you mean by "UM collision deductible waiver" vs. "UM property damage." It is all lumped together in the UM section. If you mean the collision coverage is applied first, that is my understanding. The Uninsured Motorist section's Limits of Liability paragraph says:This got me to wondering about deductibles. The "Part D" (damage to your auto -- collision/other than collision) has exclusions and limits of liability different from those in the UM section. The exclusions in the UM endorsement say there is a $200 deductible for hit and run (as allowed by § 38.2-2206), otherwise no deductible. A collision deductible could be $0, or higher or lower than $200. So if I get hit by an UM and have $0 collision deductible do I have to pay anything? (Hopefully not.) If someone with $500 collision deductible gets hit by an UM do they pay a $500 deductible or a $200 deductible? If they pay $500 they would have been better off without having collision and just using the UM coverage! Weird. But that wouldn't justify not having "collision" coverage, and hopefully everyone has it.

Thanks.

You're going to want to double check with your insurance company. UM/UIM coverage varies from state to state. But if you have a $0 deductible and you are hit by and uninsured motorist then you don't have to pay anything out of pocket. Don't worry the insurance company will see that they make it back later depending on which state you live. In some states even not at fault accidents can be used for raiting/tiering purposes, I don't think VA is one of them though.

rousu 12-06-04 05:33 PM

My Rx was totaled by an uninsured driver in an uninsured car.
My insurance paid off under the uninsured motorist provisions.
But they (Allied) tried to rip me off in several ways.
1. They appraised the car by a "market value" that represented beater prices with not even an allowance for low mileage
2. They tried to reduce the value because it had a manual transmittion instead of an automatic.
3. They tried to charge me a bogus high price to buy back the salvage
4. They tried to push things to an arbitration panel dominated by insurance estimators
5. Allied refused to compensate for diminished value. Diminished value refers mostly to the fact that even if a car is repaired well, the next buyer would not be willing to pay as much for it because of it's history of being totaled and repaired. Some state laws require insurance companies to pay for this legitimate loss but the insurance companies fight it.
6. The drug out the compensation process for about 6 months, finally increasing their offer a few thousand, that was still a few thousand short of what the car was worth.

Check out your insurance company and policy, and be ready to fight if there is a claim.

adam c 12-06-04 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by cosmicbang

I'm looking at my policy and not sure what you mean by "UM collision deductible waiver" vs. "UM property damage." It is all lumped together in the UM section. .

Policy jackets include descriptions of all coverages that a company offers. You may not have everything thing they offer. Typically, if you carry collision coverage, you will have UM collision deductible waiver (UMCDW). If an uninsured driver is at fault, your company waives the deductible, and you pay nothing. If you do not have collision coverage, and carry UMPD, it looks like you would have up to $20K with a $200 deductible. You cannot have both coverages on the same car.

cosmicbang 12-06-04 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by adam c
Policy jackets include descriptions of all coverages that a company offers. You may not have everything thing they offer. Typically, if you carry collision coverage, you will have UM collision deductible waiver (UMCDW). If an uninsured driver is at fault, your company waives the deductible, and you pay nothing. If you do not have collision coverage, and carry UMPD, it looks like you would have up to $20K with a $200 deductible. You cannot have both coverages on the same car.

Ok thanks for clearing that up. I found the UMCDW in my "regular" insurance policy, but not in the collector. It is full coverage so I'll ask them when the policy comes up.

Originally Posted by rousu
5. Allied refused to compensate for diminished value. Diminished value refers
mostly to the fact that even if a car is repaired well, the next buyer would not be willing
to pay as much for it because of it's history of being totaled and repaired. Some state laws
require insurance companies to pay for this legitimate loss but the insurance companies
fight it.

Good luck with the "Diminished value." It looks like most states now allow policies to explicitly exclude "diminished value." I thought there was only one or 2 states (Georgia, ?) that mandated the insurance companies cover it? You could always sue the person that hit you, or maybe try deduct the DV loss on your taxes (n.b.: I am not a tax advisor).


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