is this how it goes???
 

alright. . . im sure i dont stand alone in this. am i just so advanced now that most of the posts in this forum have turned into mindless dribble? . . . somehow i doubt that. . . as a matter of fact, i doubt that im even at the tip of the iceberg when it comes to rotary knowledge and how-to. . . at least thats how i feel about my personal experience.

whats the deal with the doodoo threads? i was once a newbie and im sure i was an idiot when i was. . . but i dont think i ever posted stuff like i see now. i have to SERIOUSLY search for something good on this forum now. its turned into a kiddie playplace for rotary (?)enthusiasts(?). . . is there nothing that can be done about it? im sure its ridiculous to ask moderators to go through every post and say "yea or nay", but its just getting stupid. . . maybe a newbie FORUM or something. im sorry to vent here, but im tired of seeing the SAME RIDICULOUS THREADS over and over again. . . about stupid jargon. nothing useful. . . some of the only threads that are worth reading anymore are the threads with peoples pictures in them for the most part. even some of the more technical threads turn into some sort of "burn" episode where two or more candidates end up going at each others throats, and totally miss the topic at hand. . . which could have been very interesting. i can understand people getting mad about others putting out misinformation, but the people that take that information have to understand that THIS IS THE INTERNET. . . information is always subject to creditation.

i dunno. . . its just getting old seeing threads about awd FD's, and crazy transmission ideas, and people trying to find out if a turd on the front of the car works better than putting it on the back of the car.

sorry for the annoyance,
paul

i think it just means you spend way too much time on here...j/k that and, well, the cars are 10 years, how much new useful information could there be. i usually just scoured the for sale and NE forums but even those are kinda bleh...

Yes, that is the way it is.... When you've been here long enough, you'll have already seen it all before.

My suggestion to people who this bugs: leave.

It doesn't do any good to get pissed at people "who don't know" and ask stupid questions. It doesn't solve anything and generally turns the threads into fights instead of discussion.

No matter what is done, there will always be people who don't want to search, ask "pie in the sky" questions, never listen to advice, etc... You need to ask yourself why you keep visiting. Me? I'm trying to help the "newbies" not be "newbies" forever.

I totally agree with you Paul. To make matters worse, every year the price of FD's goes down. Now more kids can afford them.

6 years ago when I bought my car the caliber of people was much higher & more technical on this fourm.

Now it's just a chat line for 16 year old kids.

I enjoy reading the stupid posts & replying likewise. Free entertainment!!!!








Out of work comedian..................................

mahjik, i feel the same way you do. . . i try to help as much as i can, although some are beyond it. i dont go around looking for stupid threads to get all annoyed at just so i can post about how much of a moron someone is or whatever. . . i see OTHERS doing that. i usually skip them. i just seem to remember about a year ago seeing some rather exciting threads going on with people trying to make advances.

telling me that my car is 10 years old is not very worthwhile. . . i know it is. ive owned it for 5 years. that doesnt mean. . . ah, nevermind. . . i just seem to notice lately that the iq of the forum has dropped. . . thats all

Uh oh....................busted


See how this works Paul? We're chat'in

Unfortunately, that's going to happen. The car is getting into the price range that younger and youger kids and buy them without begging mommy and daddy for money.

There was a thread about a year or ago about this same topic where a lot of FD owners were thinking of getting Vipers or other cars that young kids wouldn't be able to afford just because of what you descibed.

For me, I think it's ridiculous to let "dumb forum questions" change my opinion about the people I have met on this forum or my view of the car. I'm about the most patient person on this forum but there are even threads I don't bother going into myself unless they are reported because of someone breaking a forum rule.

You'll be able to tell from the newbies who will stick with the car and who will end up selling it in a few months. Just ignore the other ones and help the ones who really want to learn.

I think part of the problem is moderation. If I posted a what-color-should-I-paint-my-car thread, it would be moved in minutes. However, if I post a are-rotaries-reliable thread it will sit around festering.

While there are a lot of very hight quality postings here, there are more really dumb threads than almost any board I have been on.

About 30% of new threads should be deleted on sight, and given that there are clearly active moderators here, I don't see why it is not done.

BTW, Mahjik, this was not directed at you - our posts overlapped.

Especially in wrong sub-forums....


...such as this?

;)

What gets me is I ask a tech question and it dies at the bottom of the threads when crap post stay up top.

You can't expect the forum to "help" you every time. That's the problem with most of the people on here. Instead of "trying" to fix the problem, they post a message and wait for someone to respond. They get upset if no one responds to their thread is which is silly.

People can only answer questions as to what they have worked on. If someone is doing something no one on this forum has experience with (i.e. typically wiring issues), how do they expect someone to answer their question?

Even if someone knows the answer and chooses not to respond, what are you going do?

People rely on this forum way too much....

That's what's great about this forum! "Stupid threads" or not, Newbies or Veterans, without all input from all types of people and from all walks of life, you can count on getting your questions answered here. When I come across a thread that I think is rediculous I just keep on scrolling down or leave it. "Search" is king! D

My only point is the tech questions should stay up top and the other odd questions else were. I guess in a perfect world that would happen. I bet 80% of the search results I get never get answed.I ask most questions here as a last ditch effort. More times than not I dont get the answer so I just spend more time figuring it out myself.

find a new rotary forum just like Majik said.

this forum has become entertainment for me...I've been seq and non-seq and this forum help greatly when I was learning.

I'm running a single now (@17psi) and built and tuned the motor that's in my car, sad to say this forum had almost nothing to do with that. I still post pictures and what not, but my "technical thread" gets pushed away because "kids" don't care that I built an aircraft style disconnect for my engine harness for my haltech E6X...they just want the loudest BOV.

That's the problem. Everyone has different interests so what you deem pointless, someone might be interested in it. Changes are though that if someone doesn't post in the thread within 2 days, you're not going to get a good answer here.

And that's what you should do. However, you shouldn't get "upset" if no one is posting in your thread or posting in threads you deem "pointless".

I wouldnt say upset more disapointed. Ive been on the forum for a while and see these "pointless" threads come and go. I guess that the forum is what I feel in one of those "other" trends"


BTW Mahjik thanks for your time bouncing the forum. I bet its a thankless donation of time.

Yes, the main problem is what I described earlier. We have older members who feel the need to pick on newbies. This ends up bumping those threads up to the top instead of letting them fade away.

Basically, we have most of the people who are complaining are the ones causing the problem in the first place (not saying you do this as you don't). ;)

If they either ignored or attempted to help the newbies, it would help them ask "better questions" in the future. I try to answer newbie questions so in turn, they can answer the same question when another newbie asks it. I'd rather that they search, but unfortunately that's a wish that will never be granted.

Thanks.

I don't mind trying to answer other people's questions but what amazes me most is how many people are actually incapable of asking a good question. You read a post that's 3 paragraphs long and you still have no idea WTF they need help with! Even better than that are the people who don't like your answer because it's too expensive, too hard, takes too long or whatever so they insist you're wrong!

If you see stupid questions or requests, ignore them. I don't do that often enough myself ;)

I bet if somebody created a list of 100 questions about the FD I could find answers for 95% of them just by searching this site. I bought my FD about 6 years ago and knew nearly nothing about them at the time. I've always worked on cars etc but knew exactly zip about FD's other than I liked driving them and they had rotary motors. I'm flattered some people think I'm well informed about FD's but I knew absolutely nothing when I bought one; it's not like this stuff is bred into you. All the info is out there if you go look for it though. The FSM, Robinette, Ciriani and this site are your friend but just like anything else it takes some effort and studying. Seems fewer and fewer people know how to study anymore either. How many people have actually read the FAQ?

I think when you join the forum, it should send you to a page showing the FAQ for each generation before letting you into the various sections. Or before you make your first post to one.

Better yet, make them pass a 10-question quiz with basic stuff to make them read it :o)

Dave

I'm a newbie/dumbass when it comes to the intricacies of the FD engine. I'd just like to say I appreciate the opportunity to ask stupid as well as worth while questions to people who really know their shit. Compared to other car forums I've been on, you guys are f'n saints for putting up with newbies and smart asses like me.
So what I'd really like to know is... how much parasitic drag will this add to my car?

Not too much. I've seen some FDs with pussies behind the wheel and it didn't seem to affect their coefficient of drag much. You'll be fine :bigthumb:

havent read this whole thread, just the first couple of posts, but:

If you dont like newbie questions; leave the forum. If you don't want to leave the forum, dont open the threads obviously by newbies.

I know im no old timer on this forum, but some of the non constructive blatant troll behaviour i see here pisses me off. Just earlier a guy was asking about a beep his car makes wondering what it was. Turns out its probably the gear change beep. A guy replied along the lines of "jeez 190 posts and you dont know this?!"

If this was my forum, that guy would have been banned.

If you think its a stupid question, ignore it. Dont post stupid remarks, just IGNORE IT!!! ffs there are ALWAYS going to be people less knowledgable than yourself about any given subject. Stop being such a f*king eliteist and deal with it!!

Its like these people who reply to a thread telling people to search. WHAT IS THE POINT OF A FORUM WHERE YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IF EVERY TIME YOU ASK A QUESTION YOU GET TOLD TO SEARCH?!

why dont you just f*cking point www.rx7club.com to www.google.com?!

Paul, I share your sentiments. And while I'll be the first to admit I'm def. not a techie or very knowledgeable by any sense of the word (see my username! lol), I think there's a world of difference between the type of questions I and others ask, and what the 3rd gen section has become. All I see are the same questions over and over and over. Is a rotary reliable? FD as daily driver? Stuff like that. I honestly think it clutters up the 3rd gen section, taking away from the good and more informative threads. That's why I proposed that we have a n00b section (see below).

Dave, I'm all for taking a more proactive and hands-on approach, by establishing a n00b section where new members are restricted to. They can read all over the forum, but their posting privaledges are limited to only the n00b section. There, they can ask all the questions they want, and we'd have mods that consistantly point them to the FAQs and search buttons.

After a given amount of time and posts, and having demonstrated that they're not F&F crazies looking 20's and glowsticks, and know how to search, they're given full rights to post in the rest of the forum.

Basically, it will greatly reduce if not eliminate the cluttering of the 3rd gen (and other sections), and will virtually eliminate spammers as well, as those who have no meaningful posts, or haven't demonstrated they're willingness to search aren't verified. And for those of you worried about our member count for advertising purposes, we can allow them access to the lounge if need be, but no other part of the forum.

Very soon, the members that are waiting for verification will have caught on, and tell the brand new noobs that they gotta search, direct them to the FAQs, and heck, prob even start to answer their own and others' questions. All, again, under the watchful eye of 2 or so mods.

And if they learn temporarily, then go back to being an idiot on the forum, a mod would simply reset their privaledges to a noob, restricting them again to the noob section. People could be given warnings by the mods before this happens, esp. if they've been on here for longer. But if it's a new member and it's obvious they didn't learn from the newb section, back to the noob section they go. And there they'll stay until they learn.

These scheme has been implemented on quite a few forums I'm on, and it works VERY well. I already have a thread about it here: https://www.rx7club.com/comments-suggestions-archive-222/newbie-section-448471/ in the Suggesstions section, but I dunno why ppl aren't jumping at it - or at least giving it a try. The problem DOES exist, as Paul and others have shown through their posts. I'm curious why standing around twiddling our thumbs is the only solution we've come up w/ this far. Try it out, and if it works, great. If it doesn't (I see no reason why it wouldn't work), ditch it. But it beats twiddling our thumbs IMO ;)

~Ramy

I think because the forum owners (yes, I believe it's privately owned) feel that's not in their best interests to make it 'tougher' on or look elitist to newbies. It's understandable to me that they would take that point of view.

Dave

:rofl: :rlaugh: