Fritz. IMO....we should see gold double the price of the dow....which means that ratio will go to .5 (dow/gold) = .5


Which means gold will be twice the price of the dow when everything is said and done.

At market tops investable assets typically reach about 20-30% allocation to gold......right now its around 1%...hardly anyone owns any. People talk about it....but few if any own any.

Its not the right time to buy the dow....its a horrible time long term to buy bonds.....and housing I see having a bleak future. When interest rates are low.....bonds/stocks peak.....when inflation comes...and it will.....interest rates rise....and bonds/stocks will go down big time. At that time...inflation is going up big time....and commodities will rise.

In the 1970's....the cause of that inflation....was from a 16% increase in money supply (M0)......our government has increased the money supply M0 by 300%+......I wonder what that will do in the next decade to prices:)

I'll reference Gordon's use of the bar bell curve. For years we've seen the weights at the end of the bar getting narrower and slightly bigger while the bar has pretty much stayed the same. Well now the bar is getting thicker or because of demand people are now paying more for scraps which is the true indication of the demand going up and the supply running out. There really hasn't been much of a price difference for a nice FD over the last 10 years whether fully sorted or stock it's had it's slight ups and downs and in the coming 2 or 3 years we'll see a big change in low mileage and nicely sorted cars. If your car doesn't have AC or PS, has a single turbo, fuel hoses running everywhere and smells like a weed eater it's not worth much now or ever it's a parts car to me ;)

OMG Fritz why did you make this thread!

The last time gold was at .5 was probably the last gold run back in the 80s and things are so much different in the world economy now than then. The world GDP is huge so of course our debt is huge. The bigger the business the bigger the debt.

When in history has the market flat lined for 10 years plus? Should be ready to take off but I don't believe it will it's all strange science to me.

when in history has the interest rate been pounded down for this long? CDs paying 1% :scratch: I'm trying to refinance right now because the rates are ridiculous.

We live in strange and new times both here and everywhere. The world GDP is massive, the world population and emerging markets are massive and national debts and market values are massive. Everything is super sized so why not gold which means you could be right :icon_tup: BUT like all investments risk and return go hand and hand and gold has paid well for the last 10 years so it may want some blood in return

I majored in small business and had lots of fun investing back in the 80s and 90s but got burned so bad when the dot com bubble burst I'm pretty much a cash player at this time. If the market dips a lot I jump in and then jump out. I suspect it will go down below 9000 again and I'll be waiting :icon_tup: At this time in my life if it's not a lay up I stay away which keeps me from laying up at night hehe. I learned that getting rich isn't for me. I'd rather just earn a little here and there and sleep easy at night.

PS I think housing could be a good investment especially if you're right about inflation. Again loans are dirt cheap and it would cost double to build a lot of the homes I see selling.

Generally maybe but not always; step changes in the cars development can easliy change that.

Because I'm tired and bored and................. :D

I agree just the other day some lady on the street asked: "Excuse me how much is your car worth $50-60K?

I assumed she though it was a late model or something.

On other forums someone always asks what Japanese cars will ever be worth money and it's always the same, TT Supra's, NSX's and RX-7's.

I think s13 240sx's in mint are going to be worth alot 10 years from now. Imagine all the kids that ragged on there 240s and will want one later on only to find that there are none left in good condition? The 240 has been beat on the most and good examples are going to be very very hard to find. Of all the cars nsx's will be the easiest to find in good condition.

I think the most sought after will be like this.

1. supra
2. rx7
3. 240sx
4. nsx
5. 300zx
6. integra
7. eclipse gsx
8. mr2 t

The 240sx, Eclipse and Integra should not be on this list. While each are great in their own right, none of them are really that special. Putting the 240sx in front of the NSX is a joke. The MR2 is neat because of the engine configuration and the fact that it's reliable and can make good power. It's still far from the company of the RX-7, NSX, Supra, and 300zx. The FD being the most capable and true sports car of them all. The NSX is the most exotic, Supra is the most overpriced, and the 300zx had great commercials back in the early 90s. All very unique and differnt looking.

Alot of kids buy the 240sx because it's cheap. If they had more cash, they would go for something else. Not saying the 240sx is a bad car. I think it's probably the best bang for the buck around.

1/2. rx7 or NSX
3. supra
4. mr2 t
5. 300zx
6. eclipse gsx
7. integra

I'd go with this. I think the FD will be at the top because in the future, it will stand the test of time better than the Supra. If you look at the Supra now, it's starting to look dated. The NSX is starting to look more dated but it once put Japanese supercars on the map.

2 years ago i bought a running FD for $3,800. I hope its worth 100k next year. LOL

It'll be worth 100k in 20 years after you've spent about 100k on it ;)

Everyone who's owned lots of these cars has found them from time to time at crazy low prices but what this thread is all about is those opportunities are drying up along with low mileage cars, nicely modded cars etc....etc....

7 FDs on Ebay fewest I've ever seen.

Recent ebay list: http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Cars-Tru...%2C6000&_rdc=1

75 on Autotrader fewest I've ever seen. Normally 7 to 12 pages long not 3.
Notice most of the very nice cars are priced at the same price PFS was selling very nice cars for 10 years ago.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/search...irst_record=51

I haven't looked closely at the list on this forum but I don't think there's one car I'd consider. There used to always be at least 2 or 3 interesting buys.

No need to talk about this car becoming a collectable it is already and don't give me that cost to inflation BS. Clean FDs sell for the same price as virtually new RX8s 17 years later. In 10 years RX8s will be selling for 5k no matter where inflation goes and FDs will be selling for 50k plus.

PS Notice all the WTB ads there used to be 1 or 2 every three months now there's one or two or even 3 on the 1st page in the for sale constantly.

PSS F#ck GOLD buy FDs :D

PSSS Hopefully everyone has had their coffee and recognizes the PSS as playfulness so please don't start jumping up and down screaming that someone is wrong on the internet.

My FD is the only car I've ever bought where I knew almost immediately that I would never sell it
It had about 24k kms on it when I bought it - bone stock other than a few expensive non-power adding goodies
Has 26k kms now and I love the thing
In the dead of winter I go shovel 2 feet of snow off my 2012 DD so that my FD can stay comfortable in the heated garage lol
She's sitting in there right now waiting for Noltec engine mounts, RX7.com diff mounts and a new fuel filter to be installed

Well on one hand the FD is a good looking high performance sports car with a unique engine - the rotary. However, this alone doesn't mean it'll become a classic and begin to appreciate. After, both the first and second gen RX-7's were lookers in their time but both have depreciated and look quite dated. If the first gen RX-7, which I think was the first mass produced rotary in the states, is still dirt cheap and not a collector's item, then I'm not sure why the FD would become one.

Now if you want the price to explode in value you need another fad like Fast&Furious that exposes the FD to the public. The original F&F starred the MKIV Supra, and after that its price shot up. The drifting craze also kind of inflated the S13's value to relatively crazy levels (4k for your shitty S13 daily driver with 140k miles? nah).

My means are more limited than some but with patience and persistence over the last eight years I have built up my FD from a really sad and neglected roller. What I've got now is quite far from an original car but it looks stock, doesn't smell, and I would like to think that it's one of the nice ones.

I'm a bit worried because if Fritz is right, before long I won't be able to afford the parts I need to keep my car going.

sounds like you guys should get some 24k gold volk rims for your FD's

I don't think Gold is going to go to 6k and ounce but it really could go to 3 or 4k and of course it could also go to 500 and like owning a single stock when it turns on you it can happen fast and be REALLY painful. In the investment world nothing is ever what it seems or any fool with cash could get rich.

It would be awesome if the value explodes, but no matter what the price becomes, unless its like enough to buy 3 more FD's buy selling my single one, I would not sell....

I would have to dissagree. The eclipse gsx should definitely be on the list. It pretty much was the first awd import that could kick some butt and started a little revolution. The 240 is going to be a high value car cause there will be barely any good examples around. I agree that the the integra 240 and eclipse arn't in the same leage but there will be a big demand for these cars 20 years from now. Finding a nice nsx 20 years from now won't be that hard cause people keep them in the garage and try to keep them stock. The 300zx had some cool comercials yes. But it also came with a very healthy motor from the factory and was the first jdm super car to start it all over here. I don't think there will be much of a demand for the 3000gt it was just a big fat slob. Either way. The rx7 is definitely a collectable sports car and it's value will not diminish like the rx8 and many others.

If the gsx was a rare car I would agree but I bet you can hop on your local craigslist and find a ton for 4k and less all day long. IMO the only reason the eclipse became popular was because of f&f. Same with the integra and 240's there is no reason to collect these cars. In 20 years would you want a eclipse, 240, or integra? I sure wouldn't.

Yep - I own a Z32 300ZX. I think it's responsible for putting JDM cars on the map, as it was released before the Supra and FD to raving reviews (won the Car and Driver best car award for a few years straight). They're on par with the Supra in terms of handling, though I think the hardtop 300ZX (weighs 300lbs less than t-top) handles a bit better. The VG30DETT is also quite a bulletproof motor from the factory (the internals are top notch) and very reliable when taken care of. They're quite cheap though (like 8k for a good twin turbo). I think this is because they haven't had the mainstream exposure as the Supra and FD. Also, some find the styling to be a bit dated.

I was a Z car guy before buying the FD and they are special cars that absolutely began the JDM super car craze in the US. That car dominated all the car mags in the early 90s. Too bad both the interior and body styling couldn't stand the test of time. I still like them though and I think they will become more valuable as time goes by.

Not too sure about the eclipse or 240sx :scratch:

The 240 is a great drift car and somewhat of a legend already in the sport of drifting but similar to skateboarding I don't see anyone ever taking drifting seriously. It's sort of like expanding upon one component of a racing (car control) and being judged on it.

The stadium racing Gymkhana type stuff I think could really take off and be the next driving craze and at least it's based upon time. I can also see time trial racing becoming more and more popular. There's is something super cool about trying to go as fast as possible, like a qualifying sessions on steroids. Seeing the best professional drivers do that would be pretty cool IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cshHp...layer_embedded

Sorry to digress, but that KB video is absolutely incredible. I could sit and watch his videos all day! Thanks for posting that up again. I wish Ford would release that version to the U.S. market. Why do the Europeans get all of the cool fun toys. Oh well, I guess we got the REPU...