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despistao Mar 14, 2026 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by Redbul (Post 12650532)
The car is LHD, so the USDM FSM can be used as a guide for the hooking up of spark plug leads and the coil harness.

I usually chime in when the car is JDM Version 4 or newer, because Mazda changed the mounting order of the coils, and if an owner is unaware of that, they could hook things up the old way, and cause big problems.

(The coil harness for the LHD cars is a bit complex, with its own wired in grounding lines - probably best to replace. Note that the newer JDM coil harness is more simple, but will not work well on the USDM set-up. Make sure you have the correct coil harness.)

Meanwhile, it is very brave to try to retain the original set-up with all sequential twin turbos and all the emission stuff.

A very large number of owners will have given up that effort long ago.

There are just too many gremlins. Also consider that your stock ecu may be over 30 years old.

One of my first questions, these days, is, "how old is your gas?"

Ethanol in the gas these days means it attracts water if sitting too long.

Next, is the check engine light on?

If yes, don't ignore it, you need to check codes.

There may be up to 50 different malfunctions the codes can make you aware of, and save you going through the engine bay checking all the solenoids, sensors and other components one by one.

Even though it is a new motor, run a compression test.

The dash wiring has two grounding points, those could affect the gauges.

There is new diagnostic software for PFC, that may be able to analysis and essentially self tune the PFC to your set up.

That's correct, the car is LHD. Do you have a link to the USDM manual? I've been searching for a while and can only find the JDM manual.

Also, yes, the coil wiring is the latest model, without a ground. I understood it was discontinued, although Atkins Rotary has it available, even though the ground connection isn't visible in the photo.

https://www.atkinsrotary.com/93-95-R...A3-18-05Z.html


The fuel is new, the fuel filter was also changed, and the injectors were tested.
Regarding the engine light, there are no errors registered.

despistao Mar 14, 2026 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by Redbul (Post 12650533)
In certain cricumstances the ECU will put the car into "Limp Mode". The ECU might not like that you removed the EGR valve.

Would you recommend reconnecting the EGR valve? I have it disabled with an aluminum plate

Redbul Mar 14, 2026 12:26 PM

Yeah. That pick looks like the updated coil harness, not the earlier USDM one. Maybe Atkin's can explain.

There should be links on here to the USDM manuals.

Watch out for links with Russian URL. They are likely phishing probes.

Redbul Mar 14, 2026 12:33 PM

Even if you are not getting a check engine light, you might want to manually run codes off the diagnostic box. Your CEL may be burnt out.

I don't know if a missing EGR valve would throw a code.

The ECU will trigger limp mode (making the car run badly) in certain circumstances when it detects certain issues in the system.l

It may be looking for electrical feedback from the EGR valve (or not).

Does the EGR valve have an eletrical switch or is it vacuum activated?

In any event, the ecu may assume the EGR is there and operable and will adjust the cars running accordingly.

Redbul Mar 14, 2026 12:52 PM

The part number is N3A3-18-05Z. Otherr sites use a similar pic for that part number.

I would have expected to see a grounding wire. Maybe they tidied that up.

Later JDM harness part number is N3F1-18-051

Redbul Mar 14, 2026 12:56 PM

Here is a pic of N3f1-18-051 (Later JDM version).

https://cdn.snsimg.carview.co.jp/min...t=49301f1c7a59

Redbul Mar 14, 2026 01:09 PM

Here is a pic of the earlier version of coil harness. Note grounding wire. This grounding wire formed a direct ground for each of the coil wires.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...899897acc.jpeg

despistao Mar 14, 2026 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Redbul (Post 12650551)
Here is a pic of the earlier version of coil harness. Note grounding wire. This grounding wire formed a direct ground for each of the coil wires.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...899897acc.jpeg

Send an email asking atkins rotary, as you say, all the images that appear on other websites, none of the wiring has a ground connection

despistao Mar 14, 2026 03:22 PM

After doing some research, this kit seems interesting? I'm trying to maintain the OEM configuration

https://www.nengun.com/r-magic/fd-co...RoCSRgQAvD_BwEhttps://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...0b4b09e24.jpeg

Redbul Mar 14, 2026 04:56 PM

Yes. There seem to be several aftermarket replacements that have the grounds. I would want to see if the connectors mate up without being modified.

https://buyee.jp/item/jdirectitems/a...g_hisotry_list


Redbul Mar 14, 2026 05:06 PM

https://www.nengun.com/oem/mazda/n3a...ryy-6_b4dUzv29

Redbul Mar 14, 2026 05:08 PM

Looks like Nengun sells both versions, old and new.

https://www.nengun.com/oem/mazda/n3f1-18-051

Redbul Mar 15, 2026 01:01 AM

https://buyee.jp/item/jdirectitems/a...n_DirectSearch

despistao Mar 15, 2026 03:22 AM


Originally Posted by Redbul (Post 12650563)
Looks like Nengun sells both versions, old and new.

https://www.nengun.com/oem/mazda/n3f1-18-051

yes, I cannot confirm if it has a ground connection

despistao Mar 15, 2026 03:23 AM

However, I do see that the R Magic kit has it, but I can't find anyone who has installed it

despistao Mar 15, 2026 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by scotty305 (Post 12650530)
I haven't double-checked this myself, but the factory wiring diagram says that the tachometer ground comes from 'ground point 3' on the engine harness, which is a ring terminal that bolts to the upper intake manifold near the firewall. It's a spot that would be easy to miss if you're not careful. That part of the engine harness is somewhat near the downpipe so it might have gotten brittle with time and heat. The ground signal wire for the tacho also goes through connector X-14 which is one of the rectangular connectors inside the cabin behind the dash near the ECU. There are at least two of those connectors in that area that usually get disconnected when removing an engine, so it would be a good idea to look up in that firewall/dash/ECU area to make sure everything is connected.

If you're confident the tacho ground is good, I would take a close look at the CAS (crank angle and cam angle) connectors and sensors, and their brackets, and the trigger wheel on the crankshaft pulley. The ECU sends the engine speed signal to the tachometer, and it measures engine speed using the two CAS sensors near the crankshaft pulley. If those wires have problems, or the sensors are not mounted securely, or the crankshaft pulley is not installed correctly that could cause problems.

Other problems I've heard that cause rough idle could be a MAP sensor vacuum line unplugged, or the MAP sensor itself not plugged in to the harness. The coolant sensor is the same plug as the fuel temperature sensor, and the harness is just long enough that the plugs could be connected to the wrong sensors. That would give the engine the wrong fueling which could make it run rough.

I'm surprised Redbul hasn't mentioned spark plug wires, if those are not installed properly the engine might run rough. It's hard to see that area without removing the intake pipe near the throttle, but the wires from the two-post leading coil need to connect to the lower (leading) spark plugs. The leading wires can go to either front or rear rotor, with the stock two-post leading coil both the front and rear leading plugs fire at the same time. The single-post trailing coils go to the top (trailing) spark plugs. As a test, you could disconnect the trailing spark plug wires and see if the engine runs any better or worse. They shouldn't make a huge difference, and having the trailings connected should not make the engine run rough.

Edit, here's a video showing that ground location on my car: https://youtu.be/6SzsJq_0KpE

I've checked almost everything you mentioned. The MAP sensor is properly connected (I tried starting the engine without it connected, and it stalled after a second).

The coils are also properly connected. The wiring harness doesn't have a ground connection, and perhaps it's damaged?
I'll buy a new one, or maybe the harness from an R-Magic.

Regarding the ground connections on the upper manifold, one I think is connected underneath (it's anchored, but I haven't lifted the manifold to see where). The other ground connection is different from yours; I've attached a photo.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...48d34dccb.jpeg

Could the air conditioning compressor be the problem? I've disabled it since it seized up, and I have the impression that the engine is running more smoothly


Redbul Mar 15, 2026 01:00 PM

I am not sure the various FSM will show the grounding point specifically. You have to hunt down a video or picture someone might have posted of the OEM set up.

In any event it would be a grounding point somewhere close to the coil location.

In the later set up the wiring relies on a ground further along in a connecting harness.

Redbul Mar 15, 2026 01:18 PM

Top three illustrations show a grounding point for the emmissions harness from different angles. This is not like the grounding point for the coil harness.(although it must be close). Or maybe those grounding wires connect to the hold down nuts of the frame the coils sit on.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...bfbc2a543.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f5c11cdb3.jpeg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...b04be679c.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...376986c70.jpeg
Top illustration: View of coil harness and lead connections. My guess grounding is somewhere hidden in the left of the illustration, perhaps under the oil filler neck.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...156c0ea96.jpeg

Last illustration shows two grounding points for the "starter/Battery" harness.

Check all these grounjding points in any event.

scotty305 Mar 15, 2026 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by despistao (Post 12650583)
Regarding the ground connections on the upper manifold, one I think is connected underneath (it's anchored, but I haven't lifted the manifold to see where). The other ground connection is different from yours; I've attached a photo.


Could the air conditioning compressor be the problem? I've disabled it since it seized up, and I have the impression that the engine is running more smoothly

The ground connection on my car is Mazda part number FD02-67-E70 , it is was part of an update that was intended to address the '3000 RPM hesitation' that people talked about on this forum 15-20 years ago. I didn't notice any change in my car's behavior when I installed it, but that was back in 2005 when all the parts were less old than they are today.

If you think the AC compressor is causing problems, it should be possible to temporarily remove the belt that drives the AC and the power steering. I would not drive the car with the power steering disabled, it will be very hard to turn the wheel with the pump in place but not spinning.

Redbul Mar 15, 2026 11:16 PM

Is the pulley for the A/C pump turning freely? If not it could be resisting the fan belt that runs over it.

despistao Mar 16, 2026 09:25 AM

I've checked the ground connections according to the images you attached. From the positive terminal of the battery, I have three wires: two go to the charging harness, and one goes to the larger fuse box. Is that correct?
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...0e106f6f6.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...46c7948e4.jpeg

So, according to the manual, the grounds marked in blue are fine, and those marked in yellow are incorrectly connected?
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...ec1f33f77.jpeg

The ground wire that's lower down is connected to the motor, should I connect it to the chassis?
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...6660cd4c2.jpeg

despistao Mar 16, 2026 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by scotty305 (Post 12650610)
The ground connection on my car is Mazda part number FD02-67-E70 , it is was part of an update that was intended to address the '3000 RPM hesitation' that people talked about on this forum 15-20 years ago. I didn't notice any change in my car's behavior when I installed it, but that was back in 2005 when all the parts were less old than they are today.

If you think the AC compressor is causing problems, it should be possible to temporarily remove the belt that drives the AC and the power steering. I would not drive the car with the power steering disabled, it will be very hard to turn the wheel with the pump in place but not spinning.

I'll look for the reference number you gave me. Yes, the A/C compressor is damaged, it had been making strange noises for a while. I had a belt for non A/C motors, so I installed it and left the compressor out

despistao Mar 16, 2026 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Redbul (Post 12650623)
Is the pulley for the A/C pump turning freely? If not it could be resisting the fan belt that runs over it.

Right now it's completely locked, maybe I've been lucky and it locked up in the garage and not on the road

Redbul Mar 16, 2026 11:14 AM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...4520e514e.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...fb3d3c90a.jpeg

Redbul Mar 16, 2026 11:18 AM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...4ee4a3669.jpeg
In the wiring diagram the supplementary ground wires are referred to as the "shield wires" They ground to grounding point 15.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...6c6d0f220.jpeg


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