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Arthur3328 04-27-12 11:07 PM

Cant get into gear when standing still!
 
hey guys just rebuilt my motor and everything went well. i put everything back in the car just the way it was. but for some reason its soooo hard to get the car in gear when stationary. When moving its easy but when standing its not so easy. i bled the slave cylinder but that didnt help... any ideas?

CrimsonPride 04-27-12 11:32 PM

Hard to go into 1st or into any gear? I would check installation issues like the trans harness caught between the block and bellhousing. That's a really easy mistake, trust me!.

Check clutch by removing inspection cover from bellsousing and watch clutch movement from under car with someone pressing the clutch.

Arthur3328 04-28-12 06:46 AM

checked if its moving and it does. and nothing was caught i double checked !

CrimsonPride 04-28-12 10:24 AM

Did you have the trans out too or just the engine. If trans also you could check the installation of the shifter and make sure all of those parts are back in correctly. Are you confident that the clutch is not only moving but moving enough?

GoodfellaFD3S 04-28-12 01:08 PM

Clutch disc backwards?

Arthur3328 04-28-12 01:41 PM

its a twin disc and i actually didnt put the clutch on the motor so maybe your right goodfella^ hmmm how do you know whats the right way and the wrong way?

CrimsonPride 04-28-12 03:58 PM

I never put in a twin disc, but in general put the side toward the trans where the splined center section sticks out further. You may be able to get an idea through the inspection hole and by looking at your old disc.

GoodfellaFD3S 04-28-12 04:41 PM

The discs typically are marked, and w the exedy twins it may not even be possible to reverse the discs.

RENESISFD 04-28-12 07:29 PM

What type of twin disc. IIRC my carbon twin disc does not matter which way the disc faces as long as the center hub is positioned correctly.

Have you bled your slave cylinder? Did you inspect your clutch fork to make sure it is not bent?

If you put the car in gear and try to start the car with the clutch pedal depressed does the car try to move? Are the cranking rpm's the same?

MazdaSpeedDan 04-28-12 11:06 PM


Originally Posted by RENESISFD (Post 11071921)
What type of twin disc. IIRC my carbon twin disc does not matter which way the disc faces as long as the center hub is positioned correctly.

Have you bled your slave cylinder? Did you inspect your clutch fork to make sure it is not bent?

If you put the car in gear and try to start the car with the clutch pedal depressed does the car try to move? Are the cranking rpm's the same?

Nice sig.

How much force do you have to apply to get it to go into gear when stationary? Is it like way more than normal? Does it move smoothly even if you are rolling 5 mph?

Arthur3328 04-29-12 09:05 AM

if im moving it goes in just fine. i have an exedy twin. and its harder than normal yes alot. i drove it around a little and it seamed to have gotten a bit better but still not good.

GoodfellaFD3S 04-29-12 09:14 AM

Which exedy twin? Carbon or cerametallic? Big difference wrt disc design.

RENESISFD 04-29-12 10:52 AM

^ You can say that again......:lol:

GoodfellaFD3S 04-29-12 07:42 PM

Noms?

rx-7PRIDE 04-30-12 12:52 AM

could ur slave need a rebuild??

Arthur3328 04-30-12 08:10 AM

im thinking my slave cylinder is having the issue... it wants to go in gear but it doesnt have enough pressure. thats why when i pump it up a little it works better.

RENESISFD 04-30-12 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by RENESISFD (Post 11071921)
What type of twin disc. IIRC my carbon twin disc does not matter which way the disc faces as long as the center hub is positioned correctly.

Have you bled your slave cylinder? Did you inspect your clutch fork to make sure it is not bent?

If you put the car in gear and try to start the car with the clutch pedal depressed does the car try to move? Are the cranking rpm's the same?

I ask these questions again.....

Arthur3328 04-30-12 10:25 AM

renesis^

not a carbon disc,
i did bleed the system. i did not inspect the fork but i didnt touch it at all when i pulled motor.
when im standing still yes it does try to move when getting into gear

Arthur3328 04-30-12 04:55 PM

oh and yes when the car is off in gear and when you try and start it. it wil try and move a little.

zxrazorxz 05-12-12 05:16 PM

i broke my clutch fork recently.. all it takes is a small crack and then it all goes down hill from there.. usually breaks at the pivot point.

rx-7PRIDE 05-13-12 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Arthur3328 (Post 11073512)
renesis^

not a carbon disc,
i did bleed the system. i did not inspect the fork but i didnt touch it at all when i pulled motor.
when im standing still yes it does try to move when getting into gear

hey man if all else fails it might be a long shot but if you are running a cable clutch maybe check to see that its not frayed or stretched if not check all lines of lsd to make sure there isnt any leaks even small holes it could be a long shot but possibly worth the while

zxrazorxz 05-13-12 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by zxrazorxz (Post 11088481)
i broke my clutch fork recently.. all it takes is a small crack and then it all goes down hill from there.. usually breaks at the pivot point.

your describing the same symptoms that my fd went through. first it would be hard to put it in 1st gear but then rolling its easy. sometimes you have to pump the clutch to get it to go in then all of a sudden it snapped.
and wouldnt go into any gears.

arghx 05-13-12 09:37 PM

What kind of setup do you have that you are running a twin disc clutch?

zxrazorxz 05-14-12 10:29 AM

not to mention that the clutch fork breaks with heavier duty pressure plates i read that on the forum somewhere that the fork cant handle the extra pressure. the new forks are stronger then the previous version.

adam c 05-14-12 10:38 AM

Here's an easy test:

Put your car in first gear, and hold the clutch to the floor with the engine running. If the clutch starts to engage after a while (pedal still to the floor), then you have a hydraulic problem (master cylinder or slave).

Did you adjust the clutch pedal height after installing it?


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