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DDagman Jan 20, 2007 09:41 PM

Best boost controller
 
I noticed that a lot of poeple are running the Greddy Profec B boost controller, but i was wondering if it necessary? Would a mechanical boost controller set to 10-12 PSI be fine or is a mechanical one recomended?
Thanks

dgeesaman Jan 20, 2007 09:43 PM

A manual/mechanical one will be just fine. The electronic one is jus tmore convenient.

Dave

rx7goomba Jan 20, 2007 09:50 PM

good ol' greedy profec b.....old school :icon_tup:

DaleClark Jan 20, 2007 09:59 PM

Boost controllers come down to personal preference. At the end of the day, they all do the same job, but there's different approaches.

Manuals do work well, but take more time to set up (make a run, stop car, pop hood, turn knob, close hood, repeat). Once they're set, you can't easily switch them off or make further adjustments without the pop-hood routine.

A simple electronic boost controller works quite nicely and eliminates the running around, not to mention most boost controllers have 2 presets (a low and high boost, for example) as well as being able to turn them off.

More advanced boost controllers (like the AVC-R) let you set boost by RPM and gear, among other things. The learning curve is steeper and tuning time is QUITE a bit more, but you can really fine-tune the boost curve with an advanced boost controller. You'll also pay more and have to invest much more time in programming.

Really, I'd watch Ebay and the for sale forum - I've seen older electronic boost controllers go for around $100. Just avoid the old Profec A - that thing is just terrible, most anything else will do great. The old-school HKS EVC's work really well, are reliable as hell, and go for VERY cheap many times.

Dale

GoodfellaFD3S Jan 21, 2007 12:03 AM

I've been told numerous times over the years that the dual solenoid blitz controllers are the best choice if you're looking for the absolute best controller out there. Having said that, I've run an old school greddy profec b for about 5 years now and been very happy with it :)

Fd3BOOST Jan 21, 2007 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by DaleClark

Manuals do work well, but take more time to set up (make a run, stop car, pop hood, turn knob, close hood, repeat). Once they're set, you can't easily switch them off or make further adjustments without the pop-hood routine.


Turbosmart sells a manual boost controller that mounts in the cabin of the car. I have one. It works great and I don't need to leave my seat to make adjustments.

Fd3BOOST Jan 21, 2007 12:10 AM

Get your info current... http://www.boostcontroller.com/index...6category%3D97

prescription 7 Jan 21, 2007 03:01 AM

I dont want to thread jack but what MBC would you recommend? I want to raise my boost to 12 psi (stock turbo's and ecu) safely and reliably. I just ported my wastegates and am lookin to buy one. I dont think i need a Hallman Pro or anything that crazy for just 2 psi. Dunno, what do you guys htink?

MisawaJason Jan 21, 2007 03:11 AM

I had an old HKS EVC in my GTR. It was the type with 3 buttons for high, low, and manual with a knob. Worked perfect even though it was a few years old. Pretty much, you cant go wrong with most of the stuff that's on the market. I have an Apexi AVC-R in the FD now, but I'm thinking about going manual. I dont know

DaveW Jan 21, 2007 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by prescription 7
I dont want to thread jack but what MBC would you recommend? I want to raise my boost to 12 psi (stock turbo's and ecu) safely and reliably. I just ported my wastegates and am lookin to buy one. I dont think i need a Hallman Pro or anything that crazy for just 2 psi. Dunno, what do you guys htink?

http://www.geocities.com/chmwatson/FAQs/mbc.html

These ball-spring MBC's work more consistently than the needle-valve types, because they eliminate the stock ECU and solenoid valves from the loop.
check out these threads:

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...+boost+control

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ht=ball-spring

Dave

BLitzed33 Jan 21, 2007 11:13 AM

The HKS EVC-EZ is one of the simplest electronic boost controllers out there besides the Greddy Profec B and Type S (new version of the profec B). They do not make the EVC-EZ anymore, but do a ebay search and you can find one...one knob to turn boost up and down.
I run the greddy Type S.

DaleClark Jan 21, 2007 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST

It's nice, but it's $159 for a manual? Hell, I got my AVC-R used for $250!

Just saw the old-school HKS EVC on Ebay yesterday, buy it now for like $110 or so. That's a great, simple boost controller.

Dale

MADDSLOW Jan 21, 2007 01:34 PM

What about the AEM Tru-Boost? I was thinking of buying the a/f ratio guage, and the boost guage AEM makes would match, but I don't hear anybody raving about that...

7-sins Jan 21, 2007 02:06 PM

I was looking for one too... after searching the forum, it seems the Profec B is the best. The Apexi unit is nice as well, but a little more complicated. My friend has one on his GTI and still doesn't know how to adjust it right. I read the manual and it looks similar to the PFC as far as adjustments. But if you just want to dial in the boost and go... Profec B all the way. This is probably the route I will take.

I found this site with some good comparison info...
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/te...boost_control/

3rd Gen Jeremy Jan 21, 2007 03:43 PM

I don't mean to change the subject but I have a question.

If I was to get my FD tuned with all the supporting mods at a particular boost level, say for arguments sake 11 psi, would it be ok to turn the boost up to 13.5 without retuning or should I have it tuned for both boost levels? I don't want to blow my engine up. I just want to be able to run regular 10-11 psi daily and crank it up when I've got somebody to race or I take it to the track. :smiley309


I'll have the ported wastegate, apexi fc, fuel pump, ic, intake, dp, mp, cat-back. :icon_tup:

turBRO240 Jan 21, 2007 04:02 PM

doesnt the apexi PFC double as a good boost controller?.... or would i have to run a AVCR and PFC

Rex7-93 Jan 21, 2007 06:26 PM

ive run a turboxs hi performance manual boost controller and it has worked great for about a year. and its only about $120

Montego Jan 21, 2007 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by 3rd Gen Jeremy
If I was to get my FD tuned with all the supporting mods at a particular boost level, say for arguments sake 11 psi, would it be ok to turn the boost up to 13.5 without retuning or should I have it tuned for both boost levels? I don't want to blow my engine up. I just want to be able to run regular 10-11 psi daily and crank it up when I've got somebody to race or I take it to the track. :smiley309


The best answer is no it would not be okay. The whole point of custom tuning is to get the most out of your set up for a given max boost. The most is up to you whether is for power or reliability. With you upping the boost you are basically fucking all that up. So why tune it in the first place?

Regarding whether you should be tuned for 11 psi and 13.5 psi. If you are tuned for 13.5 psi you are also tuned for any boost level under 13.5 psi. ;) You only need a retune when you up the boost.

rynberg Jan 21, 2007 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by prescription 7
I want to raise my boost to 12 psi (stock turbo's and ecu) safely and reliably. Dunno, what do you guys htink?

I think that by now you should know that you can't run over 10 psi on the stock ecu! :bash:


Originally Posted by MADDSLOW
What about the AEM Tru-Boost? I was thinking of buying the a/f ratio guage, and the boost guage AEM makes would match, but I don't hear anybody raving about that...

It seems like every electronic thing made by AEM for the FD has been an improperly functioning piece of shit. I wouldn't trust anything they make. Their wideband AF controller can't even integrate properly with the Datalogit.


doesnt the apexi PFC double as a good boost controller?.... or would i have to run a AVCR and PFC
The PFC uses the stock solenoids to control boost....aftermarket controllers use better solenoids (and ones that aren't 10+ years old too).


If I was to get my FD tuned with all the supporting mods at a particular boost level, say for arguments sake 11 psi, would it be ok to turn the boost up to 13.5 without retuning
Already well answered by Montego. People should spend more time reading about EFI tuning if they are going to get programmable ecus....

Fd3BOOST Jan 21, 2007 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by DaleClark
It's nice, but it's $159 for a manual? Hell, I got my AVC-R used for $250!

Just saw the old-school HKS EVC on Ebay yesterday, buy it now for like $110 or so. That's a great, simple boost controller.

Dale


I've had both the profec B and the AVC-R. I'd still take my $150 manual turbo smart one anyday.

3rd Gen Jeremy Jan 21, 2007 08:22 PM

Thanks guys, really appreciate the responses. You answered my question. I should set the boost at my highest level I intend to run before I have it tuned.

Next Question. What solenoid does the Profec B replace?

thanks again,
Jeremy

rynberg Jan 21, 2007 08:29 PM

the wastegate actuator solenoid......

3rd Gen Jeremy Jan 21, 2007 08:58 PM

So the Turbo Pre Control stays intact or does the Profec replace that too? I would like to be able to control when my secondary prespools, is that possible with the Profec B Spec II?

Thanks for being patient with a noob,
Jeremy

Goukid2 Jan 21, 2007 09:57 PM

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So when intsalling a profec b and its solenoid, we can remove "I"?? Which is the Solenoid Valve Wastegate control? So replacing "I" the stock solenoid with greddys solenoid is what must be done? Just want to clear this up because im looking to get one as well.

rynberg Jan 22, 2007 10:33 AM

You don't have to replace anything.....you bolt the EBC solenoid in the engine bay and disconnect and plug the line running from the solenoid to the actuator. Pre-spool is not directly adjustable with the normal way of hooking up a Profec B. However, spiking will not occur because of the EBC will use the wastegate to manage this.


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