Anyone interested the best brake kit money can buy??
 

Anyone interested in a purchasing the most revolutionary complete brake kit you will ever find?

If anyone went to SEMA last year or seen some ads for the “Brake Man” Brake kit, I am sure it turned a lot of heads. It has a very unique design already have many people asking where and how this type of breaking system came about. As weird as it may look, it has been tested and proven to be the most advance, effective and most unique braking system on the market today.

I have been in contact with Brake Man since last years SEMA, and have been asking them to design a kit for the FD, since I truly believe the breaking on the late model RX-7 is not adequate enough for its performance, and could use some work. Brake Man develops complete breaking kits including, calipers, master cylinders, steel braided lines and ect... (the works and nothing but the best materials and compound….) They have over 25 years of experience in making top quality braking systems, which is how they came up with these new extreme designs, that are not only lighter (about 4lbs per rotor, pending for race or street, and type), create less brake fade, and offer outstanding bite, and more technology then any other brake kit available to date.

There kits, have been track proven to out perform many major top brand braking systems anywhere, have won many awards and praise for their technological advancements, and now the only question remains is if the RX-7 community is interested and ready to have the best braking kit available for practically 50% off their retail price! ( this applies to those who act now and preorder) Since, they do not yet have a kit available for the 93-up RX-7s, they want to see if there is a market for it first, and if there is, then they will offer this amazing price for those who are interested and want the best full breaking system money can buy.

All I am asking in this thread for now is to voice your opinion on if FD owners, who either autocross, rally race, canyon race, or just want superior braking are interested, and I will work out a deal with them to get these kits made for our cars. Now I’m sure you want to know exactly why I find there brakes better then anything out on the market, so here’s a little info on it, and I suggest visiting their site to find out more, which is loaded with useful knowledge even if you are not interested in purchasing one, but want to lean more about brake systems:

http://www.thebrakeman.com

Now for some information and pictures of their unique their products: (if the pictures do not show up, just go to the site, or copy and paste the url)

This is what a basic brake kit will look like:

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/351269/i/TNwrxF_R3.JPG

Now Im sure your wondering about their designs…..

First we have the:
The ConvO.E.M. Rotors
http://i.b5z.net/i/u/351269/i/convoem_frd125.JPG

The unique wave design was adapted from the success of our racing rotors. Removal of material from the rotor reduces rotating weight, which is 4 times the weight when the rotor is not moving. This reduction in weight helps increase performance, as well. The ConvO.E.M. brake rotor is also a direct replacement for any OEM vehicle. It uses a convoluted diameter design and is whip slotted then clear zinc dipped for appearance and protection. These rotors are slotted, not cross-drilled, as this will cause a cast rotor to crack prematurely. ConvO.E.M. rotors are an easy way to dress up any size wheel package.

Secondly is the:
The Revolution Rotor
http://i.b5z.net/i/u/351269/i/121950d25.JPG

The purpose of this rotor is to reduce the rotating mass while still maintaining its flatness. This rotor has been highly successful in replacing many heavier cast iron rotors with no loss of braking performance, yet will tolerate much more thermal energy than a cast aluminum rotor. In addition to its ability to dissipate more thermal energy, it is less expensive than its cast aluminum or titanium counterpart. Since the coefficient of friction is so similar to cast iron, the driver feels minimal difference in the performance. The success of this revolutionary steel rotor provides a wide variety of applications where they wouldn’t work before. Also, the low cost aspects of this rotor create a much larger market, especially to racers on low budgets.

Next we have the:
The Hurricane Rotor
http://i.b5z.net/i/u/351269/i/Hur_rtr012555.JPG

This rotor is "state of the art technology" and extremely unique. It has been patented to protect this technology. The unique interior design dissipates heat three times faster than any rotor yet tested. Manufactured from laminated steel plates, it is extremely strong, and will not shatter as cast iron under extreme use, and will result in operating temperatures at 30-40% lower than a comparable cast iron rotor. This rotor has been designed for extreme use, such as on heavy cars, or for very long races. It is on the high end of the price scale, but will work well when nothing else will. We are still developing new and unique designs that incorporate excellent cooling with long life and lighter weight. You will be seeing and hearing much more about this rotor in the near future.

Now for some Caliper Information:

Tornado Series Calipers
http://i.b5z.net/i/u/351269/i/Ttornado.JPG

Our Tornado Series calipers represent the most advanced design available today. Since the calipers are made from forged billet material, their rigidity and repeatability, especially at higher temperatures and harder use, cannot be matched. While they are more expensive than other calipers available, their superior performance will mean improved pad life, more trouble free performance, and far longer life for the caliper itself. Since these calipers are modular in design, they can be modified easily if you change rotor thickness, or if you need to increase or decrease brake torque. Also, since they can be used as a left side or right side caliper by simply changing the location of the inlet fitting and bleeder, you only need one spare instead of two. For any of you that wish, the calipers may be returned to us for a full factory rebuild at any time. The charge for this service is $10.00 (amazing!)

Choosing which brake kit set up for you, all depends on what you want to do with your car, and Break Man can also help you determine, what is best for you as well. I am merely bring this up to the community, since I really want to see these kits made for our cars, and if we can show them there is some serious interest in it, I am sure they will develop them, and give the first few people to purchase them great offers to test them out. Believe me, you will not be disappointed. So enough of my rambling and check out their site, and voice your opinions and interest here or email me at Trunksss4@earthlink.net or Brake Man direct for more information at brakeman@hotmail.com . Also when emailing Brake Man, reference it to Warren Gilliland and mention Marvin Leckuthai brought it to your attention (so he knows its for the FD), and we can all get a group buy or discount going for it. Once the interest is there, pricing can be arranged and I will give further information as to what developments will fallow. Let them or myself know what you would want in a brake kit and what you do not like as well, so they can design the best possible kit for our cars. Hope to get a lot of replies and input so we can get the ball rolling. :D

Thanks,

Marvin leckuthai
Trunksss4@earthlink.net
Or
Warren Gilliland
http://www.thebrakeman.com

So how does it cost?

I actually remember seeing a picture of these but couldn't find any more info on them. Seems like a valid concept, and it definitely looks cool. However I'd like some unbiased data to look at first though before I would consider buying it.

i don't know...looks kinda weird to me

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/351269/i//Tcivic.JPG

like expensive said, is there any data comparing it to other kits?

Show me the DATA!!! :D

They've used them on motorcycles for a few years and all the writes I've read so far say that the wave rotors don't offer an signifigant benefit or normal rotors.

Thats on bikes, and this is a diffrent design and concept
but, here is most of the meat and potatos of it:

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=162236

also check out thier site for more info

My question is why hasn't Ferrari Formula1 with all their millions jumped on this supposedly superior design?

how much are we talking?

This has been discussed in somewhat great detail on the S2k board.

Here:
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthrea...607#post746607

The folks on CC.com do not think highly of it:
in this thread on CC.com

Personally I don't understand how the Wave Rotors' less-swept-area design helps braking performance. And since the other primary function of brake rotors is to absorb heat generated during braking, I don't see how less mass can be better as well.

I understand the benefits of lower rotating weight, but if I wanted less weight I'd just go to a smaller diameter rotor. Physics-wise, the effect should be the same as installing a wave rotor. However, going to a smaller rotor is the last thing I want, since the FD's stock rotors are already woefully lacking the required mass for adequate heat absorption during heavy track use.

Their Hurricane Rotor looks more promising, but I'd like to have more data before I believe that they are "the best brake kit money can buy". Now, if you were talking about the Porsche GT-2 carbon-ceramic brakes I'd have a much less harder time believing you. :D

I am with Racedriver on this one.
If it is the most advanced, with reduced rolling mass, less fade, faster cooling, better performance....etc
WHY AREN'T FORMULA 1 TEAMS USING THEM!!!!????
It just sounds like any other advertising to sell a product.
Take this post to the Honda boys, they'll fall for it.
The flower pattern looks beautiful (NOT), plus the rotor & caliper names imply Strength and Power (what tacky names).
It bothers me, to see that these NEW and IMPROVED revolutionary technology, somehow always defy the very basic laws of physics. Less mass, less fade, less contact surface and more braking power??
Give me FB!!
It's like trying to make a wheel rounder or make a better mouse trap.
I'll just sum it up in one word: RICE!!!

I was thinking the same thing, more of a rice product to me.
Which is fine for some people, but you won't catch me using something like that on the street or the track.
The S2K thread is pretty funny. :)

so what brake kit would u guys go for? (i think this kit might benefit with some glow-in-the-dark calipers dont u think? it might match the fake integra type-r shiftknob and door sills dont u think?)

saw on another forum that same feedback, while it looks reasonably cool, how does taking surface area off from the rotor equate to increase performance?? Unless the design creates additional leading edge friction which is greater than the surface area removed...

RICE


From:
http://corner-carvers.com/forums/sho...ht=wave+rotors

They look so...flowery. They'd be perfect for a pink New Beetle with the cutesy flower wheels.

:D

Even so it would be a problem as the rotor still has to give up the heat and now has less mass to do so.

Heh, people say the same thing about rotary engines...I'd wait for some concrete data first.

You asked for inputs:

Here it is.

The first picture looks like a brake kit for a Harley; to boot, there is no asymmetrical sizing of the pistons. Do they even know why there should be assymetrical sizing of front to rear pistons on a single caliper?

This brake stuff looks like ART DECO shit in Miami!!! Give us reason(s) why the AP 6 pistons or the Wilwood 6 pistons are not as good - even when cost is no object??

Laminated brake disc too? WTF? Is it crazy glue holding the laminated disc together? And what is this crap about iron rotor shattering? Besides Ceramic and Carbon rotors, iron rotors are the preferred disc for heat absorbtion.

All this stuff seems to be artsy-fartsy form for the sake of form itself rather than achieving an intended function. And someting gotta be done about the name "Brake Man"; sounds like a rapper trying to diversify into the import scene to me.

Well, here's my take on the "wave rotors":

We've done a lot of testing with wavy rotors on sportbikes of various displacement, and found that, outside of slightly decreased unsprung weight and a slight decrease in gyroscopic effect (which allows a motorcycle to turn quicker, due to the physics involved in turning), we really couldn't see much of a reason to switch from regular "roundy" rotors. We really couldn't detect any brake fade, but motorcycles weigh far less than cars, so it would take some serious racing speed over a length of time to detect any problems.

Well, one of the World Superbike championship teams (Alstare Suzuki) was using the wave rotors on their GSX-R750 superbike toward the end of last season, so we figured that maybe there might be some merit to the idea. However, we've since noticed that since the move this year to even more powerful and faster 1000cc superbikes in that championship, they've switched back to regular round cast iron rotors (rules prohibit carbon/ceramic brake technology). Since then, we know of no teams in any superbike series using the wave rotors; and the competition is fierce enough that any advantage needs to be exploited.

I remain unconvinced that this concept has any real practical advantage, even if there was some sort of data to show otherwise. The only time we have seen catastrophic failures with cast iron rotors is when the brake pad compound is not matched to usage with iron rotors (very important). Even then, they cracked, not shattered. Sprint cars and modifieds (I believe those were the examples they used) don't really use their brakes that hard; it's the reason they get sideways-- to scrub off speed.