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:tear: ... NOT!!!

nobody's claiming to be an expert, except you, Kevin! I simply asked for proof that the ASP performs 4 times better for 4 times the price? I asked YOU to show me the consumer the proof. I respect your opinion and expertise on this, but to say I am, what's the word, "nuts"? That is entirely you being defensive because I asked you to prove something to me and everyone else about a product you promote and sell (directly or indirectly). WHY? Now, if I paid $1200 for your intercooler to receive an undisclosed amount of inprovement if any over an IC 1/4th of the price, then you could call me "NUTS". Until then prove the difference of the ASP and the SS "I don't give a damn what you call them", so then my "NUTS" is what you can lick. I don't appreciate the disrespect. Chuck and everyone else is right about you. I don't know you personally, but I am glad. On another note, Thank You to SS Autochrome, E-Bay, Paypal and I want to thank my agent!:) I will enjoy my IC and until someone shows us PROOF then its a great buy and I will enjoy it along with the rest of the smart shoppers that got this product. BTW, Sean your duct is top notch and he deserves to be the one making these. If you have one of these IC's, save yourself the hassle and get Seans duct. Have Fun.

Hey now, if you keep this up, Kevin will put you on his ignore list as well... :wink:

Please, ignore me!!!

I can imagine the expression on the face of a salesperson at a Ferrari dealership hearing you demand that he PROVE it's 6 times faster/better than a new RX7. :uh: Expecting a linear per unit of cooling per dollar relationship is one of the more childish things I've heard this week. I'm not going to waste any time trying to explain anything to you if you honestly think that's a rational line of thinking. There is always a point of diminishing returns but since it's your limited budget you'll have to be the judge of where that point is. The chance that you would have ever purchased an IC from anyone for more than $1000 is virtually zero regardless of how much better it might have been so please quit trying to justify buying the chinese IC, you don't need to. I've already said it's probably a good deal for the price but now you're just being a goof. I really appreciated this clever line What are you fresh out of high school? No wonder you can't afford one of the mainstream IC's.

Unfortunately given the limited number of ignore spaces allowed you haven't quite reached the waste of time status needed before being added.

good enough. That's why I would not pay for a Ferrari and bought the seven. You get better value. I am not rich. I am not poor. I am someone that finds the value in a product and then determines if it is worth the price.

Do you have something against chinese? That's all I hear from you. If I were Chinese, I would find that to be somewhat disturbing. True. I don't throw money out without proof. Which you still have no solid proof that the ASP is better than the SS Autochrome IC for street use? That's all I asked? Not for a bashing war.

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so then my "NUTS" is what you can lick.

Nice try. Now your throwing out age jabs. Nice try. I happen to be a grown man, and I didn't like the disrespect. My financial situation is none of your concern, I will be just fine. I don't have to prove shit to you. It's you that still has not been able to prove shit. So until then, have a nice day. Thank you.

Knock it off guys, or this thread will be closed.

Truth. That last few degrees dropped from the intake temp or the last few horsepower are often the most expensive no matter what products you are looking at.



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Anyway, I thought we had this settled. The SS autochrome SMIC is a good value, but won't have quite the performance of the high dollar SMIC's. It's up to each person, their budget, and their goals to decide which route they want to take.

Personally, I am considering the SS autochrome SMIC, but I have a good bit of work left on my suspension to keep me busy (and my wallet empty :) ) before I concern myself with a better IC. Until then, I'm keeping my eyes open for a good deal on a used ASP SMIC.

Yeah I have something against Chinese manufactured goods, it almost always seems to be complete crap, hrmm didn't I spend a paragraph above a few pages explaining that already? Anyone that tries to play the race card is a real piece of crap in my book, Jessie Jackson, chief dirtball of the USA.

You need to read what you just wrote. I don't throw money out without proof??? Okay what was your proof about the SS Autochrome? You purchased it without any real data. As for asking me to prove anything, I think you've got the cart before the horse here buddy. My products been around for 10 years with over 400 of them out in the field. They've been proving themselves for a decade. Some cheap copy comes out from China and in your twisted world I'm supposed to suddenly be responsible to prove how good it is? What's wrong with you? Shouldn't they be providing data about their own products? The fact that they don't and the fact that you bought it with no data explains situation pretty well.


Nice try? What do you expect people to think of you when you post, lick my balls and other boorish remarks? You're either very young or a bit behind for your age, you pick. As for proof, I did manage to prove that they have more BBB complaints than the entire rotary aftermarket industry combined in the span of 3 years :) After that you went nuts and started demanding I prove that it's not as good as mine. I'll let you prove how good it is, I'm not the new kid on the block trying to show I'm just as good, I'll pass on the lick my balls offer as well.

Feel free to close the thread Ryan, it's been a waste of time for quite some time.

Alittle late to this thread...

but to answer this question the duct is the ASP duct that came with Kevin's kit. It has the carbon fiber look just from an overlay applied by Mark Koch.

I wouldnt say it is a total waste. Sure there are some posts that dont really need to be in the thread, but there is some good info for anyone that want to know more about this IC. :D


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You don't need to prove your IC, just prove that the SS IC is garbage before you or anyone can claim anything. I have already said what I need to. I just want proof that is all, until then this is a good buy. I will forget the personal comments and I apologize for the remark. Yeah Mark did awesome work. I can appreciate his skill, I have been doing carbon fiber overlay work for about 3 months now, it is very complicated. I do the vac bagging technique and pieces come out as good as Marks. I am very happy to have learned this skill.

Damn, this is fun!

As I said before, anyone interested in putting Kevin's posts in perspective need only search other threads on this forum. Enough about him.

The cool thing happening here is TwinTurbo's group buy on a custom duct for the XSPOWER IC. That is cool because this forum identified a need, and a forum member actually worked hard to fill it, at a reasonable cost to all. Lets put the focus on the kind of behavior we want to see in the future, and ignore the crap that we all wish would just go away. That would be you, Kevin.

If you will read and observe, there is only one individual disrupting the harmony of this thread. I'm willing to bet if that individual would stop and go about his day, things wouldn't be in disarray.

I agree that if this thread ends up as pure bashing it should be closed, but I'd prefer that it remain open as a source of information for people thinking about the xspower intercooler and people who might be looking for supporting info like the duct group buy. Kevin has provided some useful information that I do appreciate and I think he's made his point about the fact that its an unknown and possibly risky company selling the ic, lets just leave it at that and move on to actual EXPERIENCE with the ic.

I just found out my duct is waiting for me downstairs at the front-desk of my apartment and I'm looking forward to the install and posting some pictures.

So what was your previous screen name? Why did you have to come back with a new one?

No, there isn't. I'm not against debating, I'm against the low-class personal attacks instead of presenting FACTS or points of merit.

That's the only reason this thread is still open.


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I think anyone asking Kevin to prove that the XSPower core sucks is being a bit silly. He has published flow and pressure drop data on his ICs many years ago and it's there. The question people should be asking is why XS Power won't do the same.

I'm not even going to get into the debate of supporting actual manufacturers instead of Chinese rip-off artists.
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True. I agree that they should have to prove themselves over established, proven race products such as the ASP. I am not asking Kevin or anyone else to prove the ASP IC is what it is. What I am trying to point out is, that NO ONE has yet to come foward and give us hard facts that this product is indeed a piece of garbage or that the chinese manufacturers are out to rip us off. Just what is claimed. Like you said proof is what we need. Obviously we know SS autochrome is not going to spend the money to prove anything. Why should they, they will still get their money regardless. I just want one person to PROVE that this is a piece of trash and quit SPECULATING AND ASS-UMING. That is all. That way people are not just bashing and have some data or proof. IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK. the hypothetical this and that is old an does nothing for anyone. Until someone comes up with concrete evidence that the SS autochrome is a piece of junk and is not worth the 225.00, then I will call BS. No facts, no case.

So if Kevin, or anyone else for that matter, has not tested the XSPOWER SMIC, how can FACTS or points of merit (about the intercooler, not the character of the company) be presented? I seriously doubt he has physically seen or inspected one himself, so how can there be a debate on hearsay? The only person involved with this "debate" that has no first hand knowlege of the product is Kevin.

HDP, your absolutely right about that. This is why he wanted pics posted of the inside of the core and welds and endtanks. After that is when he determined that it was "worth the 225.00, and better than stock". I am sticking to the fact that NO ONE has reported with conclusive evidence that the SS Autochrome IC is garbage, period. As far as better performance than the ASP, no that is not what we are trying to debate here, its the fact that for $225.00 you can get a very solid IC that will perfrom better than the stocker. Not the fact that if you don't have $900.00 to $3000.00 for an IC, your SOL. I like having the option and until SOMEBODY comes with evidence and not personnal opinion, I will consider this one of the best buys I have made. so someone if your anxious to prove me wrong, then bring the evidence that these are shit.

I think the burdon of proof is on the supporters of the product and not Kevin.

While its always nice to payless compared to other products on the market. You have to wonder why its cheap.

We know that the intercooler uses older technology with a potential for a large pressure drop causing the turbos to work harder to achieve the same psi.

I do think it valuable that a person with experience in the area explains this issue. Otherwise newbies could be lead astray by the promise of a cheap intercooler that is quoted as "working better than stock" when there is no proof that it in fact is.

When you are "searching" for old posts, you might also want to look at what happens when people introduce new products with promise to the forum. Look at how the BNR have gone through the same negative press and speculation until the product get more proven. Look at the opposite with the supposed antidetonation device that went down it flames.

I think the supporters of the intercooler should be the ones to prove that the intercooler is super. THAT WOULD TRULY BE A SERVICE TO THE FORUM.

Run the same test that the asp/intercoolers have been done and measure the pressure drop through the intercooler.

Otherwise your claim that the intercooler performs better than the stocker is still a claim and a personal opinion.
Just take the time, step up to the plate,get the data and prove it.

right. I am not claiming anything and am not going to put the money up to test anything. I am saying that there is no proof either way, time will tell. Can someone prove that the XS autochrome is garbage? Still waiting. Until someone shows us that this is indeed no improvement, I am going with it was worth every penny I paid. Is it as good as ASP or anything else? who knows? Point is there are people claiming these are garbage and all of that, I respect the expertise but, it still does not support that these IC's are confirmed junk. Until then I will enjoy my intercooler. I have definately expressed my view in this thread. If I listened to everything I heard, I would be up a shit creek. If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. I am done with this. Either way my mind is made up until I see some proof. I am the consumer, it does me no good to show loyalty to anyone, just get the best deal I can for the best product. In a real world you find the medium between both, or you buy cheap shit, or pay too much for the best. Consumers life and decision. To each his own. Until then no one can claim that this is a garbage product without proof, goes both ways. Have fun guys. I am gonna give this back to Sean so he can get his bad ass IC duct out to who needs one. Big ups, Sean.

i think this thread is funny and should die. it makes me sad that people dont like spending real money on the fd anymore too.

Yet another individual who has no first hand knowledge about the intercooler... so, would this statement fall under FACTS/points of merit or low-class attacks (aka opinion)?