Any FDs race 96-98 BMW 750iL?
 

So then my friend's dad has a 96 750iL, very sweet car and damn comfortable to ride in. Also very quick, especially top end.....

What will it take for an FD to beat a stock 750iL? I know low end I should be able to take him, but knowing they've got a nice V12 their top end should be pretty good......

What do you guys think?

-Dan

You'll destroy him.

Well, give more details on your mods. I'm not too familiar with the 750iL---does it have a 5.0 liter V8?

Actually the V8s are in 740s, 750s have V12 5.4 liters, pretty damn huge. It's got a crazy amount of torque and top end speed, I don't know if I'll be able to keep up 100+. My friend's the one that always messes around with it, pretty well experienced with the auto/manual shifting and the car has been impressive, especially for a 4000lb+ car.

My mods: HKS carbon ti and HKS dp. And I always keep my mainanence superb.



-Dan

you should be able to waste him

mike

I think the 750's size is fooling you, its VERY fast for a sedan of its immense size, but its barely faster than the run of the mill 130 hp sport compact at 15.3 in the quarter and high 7s low 8s in the 0-60, even with big legs up top its no match for a decent running FD

i raced with a 750IL on the highway... and won with a CB, gutted cat, DP and drop in filter... but i dont know if the old guy push it to the limits of not?!? its slow from the start even with a V12... ;)

The V12 doesn't so much make the car faster, as it does smoother. Don't forget that that nice beefy motor is adding wieght to an already hefty sedan.
You should take him easily enough. They're a really nice sports sedan though. Although, I saw one at an autocross, and he might as well as been the cone integrity tester.

I am a HUGE M5 fan! when i bought my BMW, i sat in te M5... its 400 HP family sedan.... with a standard 6 speed.... SWEET RIDE!
KB

M5 != 750il

A friend of mine have a 2000-mod 750iL. It takes the 0-60 in about 7 seconds, or maybe a bit less.
And it weights about 4762 pounds.
No match for a 7!

Yeah sure of course the 750d slow to start, but once they going, they keep going and pulling, basically I think they're really something at the top end, something that I don't know if the FD will be able to handle?

-Dan

no contest
 

I can confirm that a properly running stock FD will waste any stock 750 or 850 of any year. Incidentally, the older BMW 750s and 850s are lighter and faster than the newer models. They will also take out the new 745.

I can also confirm a properly running FD with a down pipe will waste my friends 850 with chip set, and exhaust.

There is a difference in feeling fast and being fast. All the tq will definatly make the car FEEL fast.

STEPHEN

this is actually a little silly. we are comparing apples to oranges here. 2 completely different types of automobiles built for two completely different reasons.

The rx-7 is quick not fast. yeah the rx-7 will blow away the 850 in acceleration but won't be able to maintain high speed for very long without over heating. While the 850 with it's V-12 will just cruise.

The question really is in which type a racing will the seven beat the 850. autox? yes. 1/4 mile? yes. Nascar style race where high speeds are maintained throughout the whole race? My money would be on the beemer for that one.

which would I rather own? the seven hands down.

Apples and oranges indeed. But i'm not sure I agree Montego. How fast are you talking about when you're talking about high speed?
With the 5th gear being so long, you can maintain upwards of 150 and be at a decent rpm. Maintaining speed is diffirent than accelerating, so i'm thinking that you won't always be in boost while maintaining, therefore the over heating factor shoudn't be a big one. I'm not positive, but i've driven very fast(I know, it sounds so stupid), and maintained speeds of 120 plus, for pretty extended periods of time, and not had any overheating issues. If you're talking about faster than 140(which is a ludicrous and unrealistic speed for the street in the US), yeah, you're most definitely right. The BMW is a luxury cruise, built to be able to handle high speed cruising.
Of course this is all useless talk, because these guys aren't going to go out, and see who can maintain their top end. They're going to see who gets their ass handed to them in acceleration. That would be the BMW.
Now that iv'e disagreed with you so much, i'll say that I too would much rather own the 7. ;)

Yup I was reffering to speeds above 140. My point was just to show where the RX has it's limitations. That is why I said 'nascar style' where you go around a closed course where it would be safe (oxymoron?) to drive at 150+.

So EvilPeNeviL... when is the race?? :D

dan you should be able to lay waste to that bmw,just run with him and give it a shot.

I take it you are assuming that the 750iL will be able to corner that fast, somehow. In a "nascar style" race, I would still go with the FD. You would get so far ahead, you would be able to run cool down laps if the engine started getting too hot and STILL kill the 750iL.

Give me a break. You are talking about a 2.25 ton luxury car (with good handling and acceleration for that weight) to a state-of-the-art sports car with significantly more grip, braking power, and acceleration.

If you are solely talking about which car would last longer going 150 mph in a straight line, well, I guess the 750iL might get my vote.

No offense but a stock FD is not THAT fast at top end. And pls don't give that your FD is not healthy crap. I have owned TWO FD's and I have been an owner since 98 so I know when they are healthy.

You say about the handling of the car on the corners. The nascar style track has the most forgiving corners that there could be. At what speed do you think the beemer can take the corner? no better yet how much faster do you think the FD can take the corner than the beemer? The answer is not fast enough to give it time to cool down. Sheesh

The stock RX-7 is an awsome car for what it was designed for. Slingshooting itself out tight corners with a ferocious acceleration in the lower gears. That's reality now lets all embrace it. ;)

There are only a few very large tracks that the Nascar cars can take flat out (who the fuck cares about nascar anyway, I really don't get why you brought this whole point up). Most of the typical or smaller tracks, the cars let off quite a bit to take the curves.

You are talking about a frickin 750iL! Do you honestly think a 750iL could even keep up with an FD on ANY kind of racetrack? Now who needs to embrace reality.....If you said an M5 or even a 540i sport, I'd be more inclined to agree, but a 7-series? No way.

I brough this point up to show in what situation the beemer would outshine the FD. No need to take it heart. BTW just because you don't care about nascar doesn't mean that it is not a legimate race circuit. That's like saying that because the Rx is japanese then it's not a real sportscar.

Yes I do believe the "frickin 750l" can keep up with an FD at ANY race track. It was stated on the above posts. The FD was not built for prolonged top speed racing get over it.

This is a pure example of people who can't stand to hear anything else other than the RX-7 was brought to us by angels and we should all kneel before it. I LOVE my car but I know where it has it's weak and strong points.

Anyway I'm not gonna continue cuz this is pointless and it's just a waste of BW.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree then. No hard feelings. :)

it's not that complicated
 

I've driven all of the cars in question as well as raced the cars in question. Given cars with stock configurations, the FD will beat both the 850 and 750 in any aspect other than from a comfort point of view.

In addition my buddy and I have tested his 850 with chip set and exhaust. It does about a 6.5 second 0-60. The quarter mile is about 15 seconds.