98 mitsu GSX vs 93 FD
hey all, in about a week I have a race against a stupid DSM owner who wont stop talking shit cuz I ran a 14.01 the first time ive ever been to the track with ahorrible launch and two mis-shifts.
So finally he wants to race me My mods are, 78k original miles Apexi intake, downpipe SBC-ID boost controller H&R lowering springs 8mm magnacore wires plat plugs lol running 10.4 pounds of boost. and I can drive. I managed to hang with a wrx that ran an 12.9 on the track from a roll, and my launches are decent cuz its somewhat hard when the weather is 20-40 degree's outside. his mods are Intake, exhaust lowering springs manual boost controller blow off valve, and I think he'll be running around 16-17 pounds of boost if he wants to push it. Any pointers or who u think should win? I mean I know I should win hands down, and the only reason Im drag racing (I personally think its retarded, I road race myself ) is because I want his stupid ass to shut up. Any pointers or comments? Steve |
From a stop you should be able to pull him by the top of 3rd at the latest. At a roll you'd pull from the start. He's probably pushing about 280 fwhp, so with AWD like 240 to the wheels. You should be about the same hp numbers but less drivetrain loss and you've got about 600 lbs less.
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If you're going to race a GSX then make sure you give yourself some distance to reel him in - I'd make sure you race to about 120 mph - AWD will kill his top end - that's why you hung with the 12.9 sec WRX from a roll - not because you're that good of a driver, but even a 12.9 WRX might only trap 101-103 mph at the most which is about where you are running stock boost with 2 mods. It would be best if you started from a roll but you should definitely win if you drag, just don't let him talk you into going to the top of second.
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good luck but just dont under estimate him... i know some DSM guys that are sneeky... he might be faster then you think...
-Keith |
I dont see him pushing past 17psi on a stock motor and injectors, if he knows whats good for him, so you should get him, the info. on this thread is good, his weight and loss to the wheels and you should reel him in. But man do those things bolt off the line.
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I don't understand why, with those mods and an estimated 260ish horse it would be all that fast. The AWD model runs to 60 in about 7 seconds. I would think to pace a stock FD they would need about 300 horse in that flabby body with AWD...but I could be wrong.
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I don't think you ran a 14.01 with a bad launch and 2 misshifts. With one misshift you would run in the 15s and who has a bad launch and 2 misshifts in one ruN?!! good driver my ass. I think with your 2 mods and a 2 flat 60 time and good shifting you could get a 13.5 at best.
Sorry but the DSM guy is probably gonna take you Usually DSM guys are cool though so it's alright |
the mis-shifts were right at the end, and I still got it into gear, I just let the clutch out to quickly so I had to push it back in and get the shifter in. This was 2 months afterI got my FD over a YEAR ago, so alot has changed since then, or do you not think its possible to get better huh?
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who are you to say what I ran anyway? if u want the stupid time slip I'll show u. it was my first run EVER at the track, and the best one of the night out of 5 runs, again over a year ago, and a month or two after I got my FD. I was still getting used to it.
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he also has a stage two clutch, short shifter and possibly a lightened flywheel
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you should take him with your lowered springs....
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Originally posted by boostedrotor you should take him with your lowered springs.... |
Yeah, he is going to murder you off the line. My last car was an S4, and I could demolish anything off the line, but top end was shit, especially when you are pushing 4000 pounds of German engineering. Generally the GSX guys aren't to ricey either, so this guy might be serious.
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Originally posted by Rx-7$4$me who are you to say what I ran anyway? if u want the stupid time slip I'll show u. it was my first run EVER at the track, and the best one of the night out of 5 runs, again over a year ago, and a month or two after I got my FD. I was still getting used to it. |
I know about getting used to the car. I got used to mine after one run at the track after owning it for a month...from the second time and on it was simple it was just the launch I've never missed a gear really
I think its possible to get better in a year but I don't think you have that touch like me I think that the dsm is going to win because of the car not the driver. dsm owners really know their shit though and they always help each other out with working on cars. Too bad fd owners aren't like this. good luck with the race let us know what happens and don't talk trash back to the punk just race him! |
Steve you forgot about his 10 foot wing! hes goin to kill you..
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Snook,
Where do you get off saying "DSM owners really know their shit though and they always help each other out with working on cars. [B]Too bad FD owners aren't like this."[B/] Do I have to count every time you have said "thanx for the help guys" on this forum? Rx-7$4$me, All I have to say for advice is "show this DSM guy what the back side of a FD looks like from afar, don't gloat, and for god sakes don't bet over $50 on the race." I say $50 because its not enough for you to worry about and its not enough to piss off the DSM guy for loosen. |
I know about getting used to the car. I got used to mine after one run at the track after owning it for a month...from the second time and on it was simple it was just the launch I've never missed a gear really I have mis-shifted maybe once or twice in like the past 6 months, maybe I do have the "touch" like you do. I'm not bustin' your balls or anything, but if your best run of the night was from a shitty launch and two misshifts, somethin' ain't right! you should take him with your lowered springs.... Im not going to rce him for money or anything, I dont even drag race tht much, I just helped this guy to install alot of stuff on his car, and he shows respect by talking shit behind my back, so instead ofjacking him or somthing, I thought Id put his words back up his asshole. |
all u need to do to take him is get a good launch! it probably wont be as good as his, but as long as you're like right behind him, you got him! and you'll start pulling quick! and get him ( from experience) and try not to misshift this time ;)
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Like I said good luck with the race but nobody has the touch like me haha relax man.
In general I've noticed that owners of cars like 3d gens or porshes are less willing to work on their cars or especially help other owners work on theirs. DSM guys and 1st and 2nd gen guys seem like they would be more friendly in helping and I've witnessed that. |
In general I've noticed that owners of cars like 3d gens or porshes are less willing to work on their cars or especially help other owners work on theirs. DSM guys and 1st and 2nd gen guys seem like they would be more friendly in helping and I've witnessed that Im 17 18 in april and all the mods ive done I did myself, all of it see sig |
umm great that you are doing your own shit but that is really not all that much... anyway i just want to see who wins this race... you should get some video tape or some pics at least...
-Keith |
I thought being able to install lowering springs, and the vacuum line job at 17 was pretty good. I guess im wrong.
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You're goin to kick his ass. I had a 97 Eclipse with a shit load done to it, and it was still slow. Don't worry the stock turbo on the eclipse can only hold about 10 -13 psi and fall off.
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is it a stock turbo though??? dont be fooled, some of those upgrades for the DSM's look stock but can make some power...
-Keith |
With the mods you say he has, you should be able to take him stock. DSMs are fun cars to mod and they really respond well to those mods but a lot of people tend over estimate them. And no, they won't run 12s after $1000 worth of parts. You can get them into the 12s fairly easily, but it's gonna take more than $1000. Just watch out when they swap out the turbo.
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Im positive its the stock turbo. I know the kid personally and he thinks he can run 20+ boost on the stock internals and fuel system and be completely fine.
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Originally posted by Rx-7$4$me Im positive its the stock turbo. I know the kid personally and he thinks he can run 20+ boost on the stock internals and fuel system and be completely fine. |
As it's already been said probably. DSM's can be sneaky. You have the Ricers and then you have the mean DSMs. Since you aren't in the car when he is running the boost, you don't know what gas he is running, and how much boost he is running. Also You can't tell the size injectors from a glance.
All I'm saying is that alot of people want to put them into the class of Integra, Civic, etc, but I know of quite a few that will surprise you. Good luck. |
Dont get suckered into a race by something that looks like this. Sleeper This is my car and it looks bone stock with the exception of the huge front mount. Front Mount The car makes over 450 to the wheels at 27 psi on c16. Check out the majestic wheel gap of the stock suspension, the super cool stock wheels and other factory garb. The more I look at the wheel gap, the more I want to go blasting across a field.
Even if he is on the stock turbo and he has the least bit of driving ability he should eat your lunch out of the hole. You should easily be able to run him down though before the end of 2nd gear. The stock T25 on the 2G is worthless. It will spike up to about 18 psi but cant hold more than about 14 at redline. It really sucks ass. I dont care how much other performance crap he is running. If you lose to a 2G on the T25, you should sell your car and go hide in a cave. A stock T25 on a 75 shot will probably end you though. With a good driver a T25 powered 2G AWD with FMIC, full 3 inch and boost controller plus a 75 shot wet will run 12.6-12.8 and I have the timeslips to prove it from the previous owner of my car. He ran those times about 2 years ago in Ennis. TX. Also, the guys that think the AWD's are slow up top need to be on the lookout for some of the hardcore DSM'ers running the TRE spec gearboxes. They are going to suprise you, but there are only a few of us running them. Happy hunting. jeff |
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