^ I'm also interested in this. The couple guys I've talked to on here about HWL love them but I've never seen a light output or comparison pic

Hot water labs looks like those Ferrari kits you put over Toyota Mr2 .

They ARE .... R Magic rip offs.

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how does the light output of either of these kits compare to the sakebomb hid projector lights?

Yeah. Because they don't even look alike.

I really like BOTH setups.... However..... paying $900 for a set of lights when my pop ups with HID's work just fine is something that I just CAN NOT justify spending my money on....there are ALOT of other things that would get my greenbacks....

Just my personal opinion...

:lol: I didn't even know they were anything BUT R Magic knockoffs until this thread... I just thought the company ripping them off hadn't finished copying the lenses yet. Trying to pass them off as a unique/original design is absurd

Hwl looks way better bc of how it's cut and ligns up with the edge of hood and there's no lens on it.. but like nopis said can't justify paying $900 for them lights...

Guys, they are R-Magic inspired, but different...
HWL are one piece, No lens cover, the bottom bucket portion has different curvature/shape, the cut angle and shape are different, lights are different, etc, etc.....

Just like how the 99 spec bumper and gp sports are different
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Just like how garage kagotani front bumper and Mazdaspeed bumper are different
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Just like how all these dual round headlights are different
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Remember, R-magic didnt invent they wheel, they pulled different styles from different things that inspired them to design these, they just made it main stream. Everything is inspired by something or "stolen"

Many of my designs are heavily influenced by R-Magic and Re-Amemiya but in no way will they be replicas or "knock offs" They are just certain design ques I like, and some that I don't. It's simply stuff I saw that I liked, remixed into my own design. EX my front bumper base will be a 99 spec front end, with design ques from RE-Amemiyas bumper as well as from other GT style cars.

Now some quotes from some successful people
"Art is theft" Pablo Picasso
"Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that which it was torn" T.S. Eliot
"The only art I'll ever study is stuff that i can steal from"- David Bowie
"I've stolen all of these moves from these great players. I just try to do them proud, the guys who came before, because i learned so much from them. It's all in the name of the game. It's a lot bigger than me." Kobe Bryant

NOTE: Stolen/theft is use in the sense of inspiration. And last time I checked, inspiration is not illegal....

Design is much like genetics. The end product comes from two or more sources. You have a mother and father, both which you posses features from. You are a remix of your parents along with your ancestors

If these are "knock offs" then google's search engine is a knock off of yahoo.
yahoo mail is a knock off of AOL
firefox is a knock off of IE
Apple is a knock off of PC
etc etc etc.
All design is stolen from somewhere and modified to make their own.

P.S. If you going to claim how these are replicas or knock offs and you are using ANY Shine auto part, your opinion is not valid in here since those parts are a DIRECT replica of the original.

^dude I wanna buy you're door panels thingy! You know my friend has a 32b....yes 32b! So if I rock your sticker will you give me a discount? You probably copied the design somewhere anyway... Let me know cupcake

Copy? No, all our stuff is hand made from scratched. Inspired from other designs? yes. GT Cars have been around for longer then I have been alive, so I am not the first one who invented or designed flat door panels. I simply took inspiration from Japanese tuner cars like Craft company's RX7 and refined the design, cleaned up a few things i didnt like and made them my own. Just like HWL did with these headlights

And Deesan, keep your comments in Canada you troll! -_-

Just wanted to bump the tbread for anyone with more relevant input as pertaining to the op

lol HWL HID lights are 850.00 Rmagic are like 2k
Their normal HALOGEN is under 1k plus shipping i believe.


What exactly are you trying to compare?

Have you gone to their page and compare or look at their lights and such?

I have the R-Magics, the location of the holes and alignment of the covers weren't nearly as good out of the box as I expected. Also the lighting does suck compared to RE-A's which I also had (not as bad as OEM though).
Kyle

(edit:the alignment wasn't miles off, but enough that a lot massaging had to be done for both the covers and lenses, which I did not expect for something so expensive.)

You have any pictures of the light spread?

Sorry I don't, I'm in AZ and the car is in CA still :(

So which do I get?
I can get the R Magic ones for about $1k new
And the HWL are brighter and have a more aggressive look.
But again the hwl don't have covers.

As long as you dont mind replicas buy the hwl. I bought rmagic. There is currently a one month wait for them.

HWL is not a replica headlight.

Other than visually being about the same the construction of them is clearly different, i agree. Would you agree that rota wheels are replicas of popular japanese wheels even when rotas are cast while their japanese counterparts are normally forged? Visually theyre about the same but their construction is different.

If not a replica what would you call them? An original design? Is there somewhere about the word replica that is causing an issue?

The only direct "replication" is the style, but they are not the same.

Rota makes poor quality replicas of brand name wheels, so the comparison is moot. HWL is a good quality different look (pay attention now) in regards to the buckets, lack of lexan cover, and light output.

If you want to call something a direct replica, take a look at the EVO-R replica r-magic lights. They are identical in looks all the way down to bracketry.

Brand whores will call HWL replicas for some reason and I'll never understand why. But, to each their own, I guess.

Agreed, rota wheels are of low quality. No real discussion needed there. I wasnt using them as a comparison in terms of quality as i know the hwl lights are of excellent quality. I was using them in the sense that their construction is different but the styling the pretty much the same.

I understand what youre saying about the HWL lights only being similar in the sense of the styling but going back to the rotas, they offer their wheels in bolt patters, offsets, sizes and colors that the original wheel didnt offer. Even though the styling of the wheel is very similar, they are clearly different in quite a few aspects to include differences in design/styling. Would it be acceptable for them to call their wheels original designs?

All i want to know is why there is a fuss over using the word replica in tandem with the hwl lights. I also fully understand the argument between the bumper design example earlier. Yes there are slight differences between the two but i feel as though it would be safe to say that one would not exist without the other.

Also yes, i agree the evo r lights are 100% straight up replicas of the r magic. I cant comment on their quality since they haven't really been around long enough for anyone to mention it. People have been buying them though and i havent seen anything negative about them yet.

If we followed your reasoning as to the use of the term "replica", EVERYTHING on this planet that has been produced or manufactured is a replica of something else.

The FD is a replica of the FC. It's the same, but different.

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I wouldnt say that the re amemiya light output is better. I have had both sets and they are about the same. The rmagic PIAA hid light output is too concentrated. Adjustment option is poor on both