How to value your FD
#1351
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Jeez! I wish there was some way to make money at auction price guessing! Anyway I was pretty close to the right guess for the high bid. And a reserve that high seems a little bit of a stretch, but really says something about the current market.
#1352
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Keep trying. There is a new CYM posted on BAT. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-41/
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It still fascinates me how existing owners have an aversion towards a stronger market. Has anyone experienced the same sentiment in other car communities or goods?
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#1355
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I'm toying with the idea of https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-39/. Doing something similar to what I did for the SSM. Restoring back to oem where appropriate, making it nice and new feeling again. Would make for a fun build thread, that car needs a good going through.
#1356
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Ha. I've been saying that for maybe 10 years. Still not quite sure why. It's like, "We love the cars, but they're not really collectible". "They're not like Ferrari's or Porsche's". Unless the bottom drops out of the market for these, the #1 condition cars are all over $45k.
#1357
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The magic 3 things you need for collectability:
1) Good looking. FD checks this box easily
2) Good car. The rotary gives the FD a black eye, but these cars are amazingly good. Advanced tech for the day, they still drive and handle great. Check.
3) Rare. #1 condition cars are exceedingly rare. So many of these cars were raced, wrecked, hacked, smashed, cut, modded, swapped, flared, caged, used and abused. Nice original cars are rare.
1) Good looking. FD checks this box easily
2) Good car. The rotary gives the FD a black eye, but these cars are amazingly good. Advanced tech for the day, they still drive and handle great. Check.
3) Rare. #1 condition cars are exceedingly rare. So many of these cars were raced, wrecked, hacked, smashed, cut, modded, swapped, flared, caged, used and abused. Nice original cars are rare.
Ha. I've been saying that for maybe 10 years. Still not quite sure why. It's like, "We love the cars, but they're not really collectible". "They're not like Ferrari's or Porsche's". Unless the bottom drops out of the market for these, the #1 condition cars are all over $45k.
#1358
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Btw, I noted that a Ferrari 248 ts with 58k miles and in very nice condition sold today on BAT for $46,000. I like these a lot. They need wider rear wheels and some camber and toe mods, but once that's done these are great cars.
#1359
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LOL...really? A possible reserve just $2,750 north of the high bid means they're "out of their minds?" I have no idea what the reserve was, but I was hoping to see this one sell for over $50K. Why shouldn't a very desirable spec, bone stock, 4-digit mileage FD with near perfect compression sell for more?
It still fascinates me how existing owners have an aversion towards a stronger market. Has anyone experienced the same sentiment in other car communities or goods?
It still fascinates me how existing owners have an aversion towards a stronger market. Has anyone experienced the same sentiment in other car communities or goods?
But, talk about tough ownership. The service on those things will make you really appreciate your FD. You could overhaul an entire FD for the cost of an engine-out on a prancing horse.
Shopping for ferrari's is how you end up with a porsche.
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#1360
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FD owners are necessarily pessimistic and self flagellating. I don't know any other community that is so short on itself.
I'd love a 348 hard top, or a nice 400i, or a mondial 3.4. But, talk about tough ownership. The service on those things will make you really appreciate your FD. You could overhaul an entire FD for the cost of an engine-out on a prancing horse. Shopping for ferrari's is how you end up with a porsche.
I'd love a 348 hard top, or a nice 400i, or a mondial 3.4. But, talk about tough ownership. The service on those things will make you really appreciate your FD. You could overhaul an entire FD for the cost of an engine-out on a prancing horse. Shopping for ferrari's is how you end up with a porsche.
#1361
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Care to share another car community that has a more problematic and cheaper built car? If you own a Fd for years you realize the great joy it is when it's right and the massive pain in the *** it is to keep it that way. It's unreliable, cheaply built and smells like hell. I love this platform, but I cringe at those paying these high prices. Then again, I'll never understand the mind of a "collector". Worst part of the car community.
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LOL...really? A possible reserve just $2,750 north of the high bid means they're "out of their minds?" I have no idea what the reserve was, but I was hoping to see this one sell for over $50K. Why shouldn't a very desirable spec, bone stock, 4-digit mileage FD with near perfect compression sell for more?
Given that BAT recently sold a 1993 Touring model with similar mileage for $49,000 and that this is a 1994 Base Model with no sunroof and no Bose system, we feel that makes this example rarer and more desirable
P.S. I also wanted the car go above $50K but the owner's attitude turned me off.
EdIt- pfft... the guy is from a dealership. No wonder BAT didn't bridge the gap on the sale, the highest bid was very likely no where near the reserve. Greed all the way.
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Gordon, here's your 348 right on cue: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-ferrari-348-5/
Good colors. But they don't have the hookup you got...
Good god, y'all.
Good colors. But they don't have the hookup you got...
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A $14k engine-out service was completed at Forza Motors in Monterey, California in May 2014 at 10,680 miles.
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Care to share another car community that has a more problematic and cheaper built car? If you own a Fd for years you realize the great joy it is when it's right and the massive pain in the *** it is to keep it that way. It's unreliable, cheaply built and smells like hell. I love this platform, but I cringe at those paying these high prices. Then again, I'll never understand the mind of a "collector". Worst part of the car community.
For 75k: https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...pcoty-preview/
2018 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE is faster than Corvette, Ferrari at the Nurburgring | Fox News
Mustang has a similar car.
Here are a couple of vids of me following the camaros. They are stupid fast for the money and probably really fun to drive.
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#1366
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Gordon, here's your 348 right on cue: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-ferrari-348-5/
Good colors. But they don't have the hookup you got...
Good god, y'all.
Good colors. But they don't have the hookup you got...
Good god, y'all.
#1367
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^ Fritz... Never seen you work so hard. When you go over the concrete rub-a-dubs you're on the grass a few times and he's still pulling you. If you want to buy a race car, the Vettes and Camaros and Shelby's are incredibly fast. Still could care less. But the Porsche guys must just hate it.
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I'm not quite sure I understand the current Japanese sports car market. On a global scale the cars aren't really that rare. A low mileage 98 Supra sold for $150k the other day(sorry to all you guys that believe the FD will one day be valued the same as the supra but it nots gonna happen.)
The FD was amazing at 3 things: Aesthetics, Driving experience when running correctly(Fritz and I have owned enough FDs to know how rare this is) and being "cheap". Its no longer "cheap". I think a lot of you guys who try to justify the price of these cars approaching and surpassing $50k bought your FD for one quarter to one third that price. The current trend is great for all of us current owners financially. The amount of inquiries I am receiving on my CW 95 car in the last 6-8 weeks is staggering. At $25k or less, a nice and properly modified FD is still a decent buy. At $50k+ not a chance in hell for me personally.
Either way it will be interesting to see where the market will plateau. I think we will see a low mileage CYM crack $75k within a year.
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^ Fritz... Never seen you work so hard. When you go over the concrete rub-a-dubs you're on the grass a few times and he's still pulling you. If you want to buy a race car, the Vettes and Camaros and Shelby's are incredibly fast. Still could care less. But the Porsche guys must just hate it.
What's super cool though pressing any of those cars in your modded 93 FD
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I'm not familiar with old British but if its like the newer British stuff it can be purchased for pennies on the dollar. Im sure some old collectibles are an exception. I've daily driven American and been around a lot of vipers, vettes and mustangs for the last 15 years, never had to roll the windows down to grab the window frame to shut the door in fear of ripping a door handle off. The Viper is the closest experience to riding in an FD but its still light years ahead in comfort and lack of stinking like fuel. What newer German cars are blowing engines at 30-50k miles regularly? Ive owned a boat load of BMWs(3 series, M Series, X series) and a couple AMG Mercedes(one high mileage one low) and never had to rebuild an engine, never failed emissions testing, never had oil puddles in my garage, never smoked on cold starts and AC blew ice cold. The BMWs and AMGs are also the fastest depreciating cars on the market. As for Italian, I've considered a few but never pulled the trigger yet. The Italian cars are for the "elite" and most owners are willing to spend money carelessly. No Ferrari owner is going to be honest about the quality of the car because they have to lie to their self daily to justify the ownership.
I'm not quite sure I understand the current Japanese sports car market. On a global scale the cars aren't really that rare. A low mileage 98 Supra sold for $150k the other day(sorry to all you guys that believe the FD will one day be valued the same as the supra but it nots gonna happen.)
The FD was amazing at 3 things: Aesthetics, Driving experience when running correctly(Fritz and I have owned enough FDs to know how rare this is) and being "cheap". Its no longer "cheap". I think a lot of you guys who try to justify the price of these cars approaching and surpassing $50k bought your FD for one quarter to one third that price. The current trend is great for all of us current owners financially. The amount of inquiries I am receiving on my CW 95 car in the last 6-8 weeks is staggering. At $25k or less, a nice and properly modified FD is still a decent buy. At $50k+ not a chance in hell for me personally.
Either way it will be interesting to see where the market will plateau. I think we will see a low mileage CYM crack $75k within a year.
I'm not quite sure I understand the current Japanese sports car market. On a global scale the cars aren't really that rare. A low mileage 98 Supra sold for $150k the other day(sorry to all you guys that believe the FD will one day be valued the same as the supra but it nots gonna happen.)
The FD was amazing at 3 things: Aesthetics, Driving experience when running correctly(Fritz and I have owned enough FDs to know how rare this is) and being "cheap". Its no longer "cheap". I think a lot of you guys who try to justify the price of these cars approaching and surpassing $50k bought your FD for one quarter to one third that price. The current trend is great for all of us current owners financially. The amount of inquiries I am receiving on my CW 95 car in the last 6-8 weeks is staggering. At $25k or less, a nice and properly modified FD is still a decent buy. At $50k+ not a chance in hell for me personally.
Either way it will be interesting to see where the market will plateau. I think we will see a low mileage CYM crack $75k within a year.
Morgen and I just bought a new x3 m40i and there is no comparing it to any car from the 90s. It's as fast as most of the sports car from the 90s and it's a frikken SUV.
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The rise in values definitely affects my thinking re: what I do with the car. I've never had the space for two like Fritz or others, so I can't have the track car and the DD or collector car. Mine is everything. And when they were $16-18k, I didn't worry about crossing the "irreversible" threshold with the mods, because the difference between $18k and $25k isn't that much, but as values go up, it makes you think—though I'm probably well past the point of no return anyway.
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Stupid city life.
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The rise in values definitely affects my thinking re: what I do with the car. I've never had the space for two like Fritz or others, so I can't have the track car and the DD or collector car. Mine is everything. And when they were $16-18k, I didn't worry about crossing the "irreversible" threshold with the mods, because the difference between $18k and $25k isn't that much, but as values go up, it makes you think—though I'm probably well past the point of no return anyway.
Stupid city life.
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Stupid city life.
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That said though your car is as fast as anything that cost 75k and up so no worries on the value side or in other words you are well past the point of no return and once you weld in that cage (and you eventually will), forget about it hehe
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The rise in values definitely affects my thinking re: what I do with the car. I've never had the space for two like Fritz or others, so I can't have the track car and the DD or collector car. Mine is everything. And when they were $16-18k, I didn't worry about crossing the "irreversible" threshold with the mods, because the difference between $18k and $25k isn't that much, but as values go up, it makes you think—though I'm probably well past the point of no return anyway.
Stupid city life.
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Stupid city life.
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Yep, no doubt the FD has it's issues BUT it's a GREAT collector. Very similar to the 90s 911s, 60s vettes, camaros etc...etc.... IMO it's that special. I'm all about driving and could care less about collecting. Paying 50k for an FD only makes sense to collectors who will polish and stair for a few years and hope to sell for 20k more or continue to take to car shows and rub on for decades to come. That said I may one day be that old dude talking **** at the car show sooner than later, just not quite there yet LOL.
2700lb FD with 450 flywheel horsepower is also 6lbs/per HP. ;-)
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