How to value your FD
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02-20-18, 11:05 AM
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If MK4 Supra owners can successfully over inflate their prices as a collective, significantly changing the value of the car (you are an idiot if you think they haven't) then why the hell are you bashing FD owners for doing the same thing? We all know the FD is more rare, more unique and more capable at being considered a true sports car because of its platform.
Seriously, the author of this thread really believes he has the authority to dictate the value of the RX7 fd?
Now I've seen everything..
Seriously, the author of this thread really believes he has the authority to dictate the value of the RX7 fd?
Now I've seen everything..
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02-20-18, 01:57 PM
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Thank you and glad to be here, my friend. The FD is just too much fun to leave alone! 
LOL supras prices would rise no matter what because that's how the market works. I posted this a while back when someone suggested we all collectively raise prices.
^^ Now setting an artificial price point doesn't really work because the market will do what it does, regardless. In other words, if the buyers do not agree that the item is worth the price then it wont sell. But if the buyers agree then it really isn't an artificial price, is it? The corvette served as an example where the asking price is not a reflection of the demand, hence the phenomenon of the cars not selling. Because at the end of the day it's the purchaser that determines how bad (willing to pay) they want that item.
Who the **** do you think you are? You have ZERO clout and I point out that you have ONLY been here for 2 months while Fritz on the other hand has been a serious contributor for 17 years. So sit back down and understand that he is not dictating the prices of RX-7s. He is merely offering his opinion on what kind of cars fetch the highest prices which at the time the thread was created was $25K. Mind you, it is only HIS opinion *but* it is based on his personal past experience of being an FD3S seller. This thread was created to merely make people aware that just because they have an FD3S, it doesn't mean it is worth a premium. As there are things to take into consideration other than the car having an RX-7 badge.
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Love that!
Actually quite a few people throughout the years have suggested it. Truth be told even if we collectively achieved a fixed price point, it doesn't work like you think it would:
I present you the C5 anomaly:
The Corvettes That Don't Get Driven, Sold, or Bought
I present you the C5 anomaly:
"The C5," Mark told me, "has the widest bid-ask spread in the business." Luckily for me I recognized that phrase from my occasional dabbles into coin collecting: to (over)simplify, it's the difference between the highest price anybody will offer for an asset and the lowest price that anybody will accept for it at a given time.
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Love that!
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02-20-18, 03:26 PM
#708
I just said that to stir people up/trolling the supra FD thing However that said lets give it 20 years. I could care less about a supra. Lots of cars I'd rather own but when it comes to the FD there is just something extra special about it that I think will remain intact for the next few decades.
However that said lets give it 20 years. I could care less about a supra. Lots of cars I'd rather own but when it comes to the FD there is just something extra special about it that I think will remain intact for the next few decades.Take yourself out of the equation. You and I will never be the top spenders for these cars. The price tag has become irrelevant to me now, but I have to see the value. The FD is amazing but it is what it is, flawed in a lot of ways. All the things I hated about my Supra, the typical wealthy ferrair/lambo guy will love about it. Its comfort, quality and lack of odor will always place it above the FD in value. I wish I was smoking what you guys are smoking but I am confident in saying the FD will never surpass the Supra in value.
For the foolish guy spouting off, the Supra is more rare in production numbers and quite frankly I would almost guarantee there are far less turbo supras left in stock form vs. FDs.
02-20-18, 03:56 PM
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Take yourself out of the equation. You and I will never be the top spenders for these cars. The price tag has become irrelevant to me now, but I have to see the value. The FD is amazing but it is what it is, flawed in a lot of ways. All the things I hated about my Supra, the typical wealthy ferrair/lambo guy will love about it. Its comfort, quality and lack of odor will always place it above the FD in value. I wish I was smoking what you guys are smoking but I am confident in saying the FD will never surpass the Supra in value.
For the foolish guy spouting off, the Supra is more rare in production numbers and quite frankly I would almost guarantee there are far less turbo supras left in stock form vs. FDs.
For the foolish guy spouting off, the Supra is more rare in production numbers and quite frankly I would almost guarantee there are far less turbo supras left in stock form vs. FDs.
The odor? Mine smells like fresh catskin leather inside (my seats). It's a 55k mile car.
The Supras (3 of them) that I looked at before I bought my FD weren't even a camparison. From the old paint to the faded headlights, to the really worn seats and the scratched plastic consoles, not to mention high mileage. Sure, maybe one with 55k miles would have made a difference, but these cars I looked at were really worn. Especially when I drove or rode in them.
Not to mention there were at least 5 of those cars in my circle of friends back in the day, when everyone seemed to desire a Viper.
for me, the rotary aspect and the car itself has a cool factor that goes beyond the Supra and it's 2JZ.
I'd course this is my opinion, but it's based on being around the cars as often as I was. I still like the Supra, but driving both, to me, the FD, at least mine, feels so much better.
I guess my first reply to this topic was fueled by prior comments I saw elsewhere when someone would post up a really nicely built FD for 25k $ and was bashed by comments of all sorts claiming he was asking too much, I mean pretty rude replies.
So I saw this and fired off with the other posts in mind. I actually wasn't trying to be an *******, but I guess the way it came out, well- it kind of seems I was.
I love my car, (So far) and have definitely built quicker cars in the past, but I take a little pride in it now, for what I think it's worth.
02-20-18, 04:35 PM
#710
For the most desirable model: 6 speed, fixed roof: 326
For the second most desirable model: 6 speed, turbo t top: 3712
after that comes the turbo automatic (ugh) and all of the N/A's (double ugh) for a total production numbers of 11,239 compared to our 13,879 (which all were turbo models)
Supra numbers taken from here:
http://www.suprahardtopregistry.com/main.htm
Note that the color break down doesn't match the actual production numbers. I don't know why that is but I've seen those production numbers before so I believe they are correct.
02-20-18, 04:56 PM
#712
https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.n...77XT2F6411.jpg
also doesn't that car seen a little hammered for only having 51K miles? Scratches in the front and back bumper, weird ground connections on the battery, AST green in color, as well as that weird hole in the dash. So IMO if it sells for $20K that's pretty crazy.
02-20-18, 09:20 PM
#713
The thing that gets me about that car is that they went out and took nice pictures and yet they couldn't be bothered with cleaning the engine bay? WTH....
https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.n...77XT2F6411.jpg
also doesn't that car seen a little hammered for only having 51K miles? Scratches in the front and back bumper, weird ground connections on the battery, AST green in color, as well as that weird hole in the dash. So IMO if it sells for $20K that's pretty crazy.
https://13252-presscdn-0-94-pagely.n...77XT2F6411.jpg
also doesn't that car seen a little hammered for only having 51K miles? Scratches in the front and back bumper, weird ground connections on the battery, AST green in color, as well as that weird hole in the dash. So IMO if it sells for $20K that's pretty crazy.
02-21-18, 09:35 AM
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Take yourself out of the equation. You and I will never be the top spenders for these cars. The price tag has become irrelevant to me now, but I have to see the value. The FD is amazing but it is what it is, flawed in a lot of ways. All the things I hated about my Supra, the typical wealthy ferrair/lambo guy will love about it. Its comfort, quality and lack of odor will always place it above the FD in value. I wish I was smoking what you guys are smoking but I am confident in saying the FD will never surpass the Supra in value.
For the foolish guy spouting off, the Supra is more rare in production numbers and quite frankly I would almost guarantee there are far less turbo supras left in stock form vs. FDs.
For the foolish guy spouting off, the Supra is more rare in production numbers and quite frankly I would almost guarantee there are far less turbo supras left in stock form vs. FDs.
Yep as prices move up we will move on because we are not car collectors.
No doubt the Supra is the superior built car but being practical is the furthest thing from a car collectors mind. The FD is the better sports car, it's the more attractive car, commands more attention side by side etc.... and should end up being worth more as a collector. Whether that ends up being the case or not isn't important but so far the FD is closing the gap and I expect that to continue.
If MK4 Supra owners can successfully over inflate their prices as a collective, significantly changing the value of the car (you are an idiot if you think they haven't) then why the hell are you bashing FD owners for doing the same thing? We all know the FD is more rare, more unique and more capable at being considered a true sports car because of its platform.
Seriously, the author of this thread really believes he has the authority to dictate the value of the RX7 fd?
Now I've seen everything..
Seriously, the author of this thread really believes he has the authority to dictate the value of the RX7 fd?
Now I've seen everything..
For the most part the title of this thread still stands true or in other words the only FDs selling for prices above 25k are mostly stock with low miles.
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02-21-18, 04:44 PM
#715
^^ Wow. Not what I expected at all
My first FD had 25K miles and it didn't have any of that (but the car was silver so it easy to hide scratches). And my second FD (montego) had 54K on the clock and the paint was stunning, no dings, no nicks, and no scratches. So my judgement was going off on my experience. But I'll take your experience over mine so maybe I got lucky?
My first FD had 25K miles and it didn't have any of that (but the car was silver so it easy to hide scratches). And my second FD (montego) had 54K on the clock and the paint was stunning, no dings, no nicks, and no scratches. So my judgement was going off on my experience. But I'll take your experience over mine so maybe I got lucky?
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02-21-18, 08:50 PM
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I think we should edit the title of this thread 
A good buddy was watching the auction and sending me a play-by-play via text in the last 15 minutes. My phone was going CRAZY
A good buddy was watching the auction and sending me a play-by-play via text in the last 15 minutes. My phone was going CRAZY
02-21-18, 10:58 PM
#721
FD values are a hot topic on the boards right now and it’s still surprising to see what certain cars sell for and others don’t sell for.
Some of the guys with cars for sale right now on these boards may benefit from putting their cars on BAT.
For those who haven’t seen the thread we started and may be inclined to contribute, we’re trying to build a database to see actual selling prices of the current batch of FD owners. We’ve got close to 20 responses so far, if anyone here wants to contribute.
Here’s the form to contribute:
https://goo.gl/forms/Y89gIyIYIWHM9tR53
And here are the results so far:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...47&single=true
Nick
Some of the guys with cars for sale right now on these boards may benefit from putting their cars on BAT.
For those who haven’t seen the thread we started and may be inclined to contribute, we’re trying to build a database to see actual selling prices of the current batch of FD owners. We’ve got close to 20 responses so far, if anyone here wants to contribute.
Here’s the form to contribute:
https://goo.gl/forms/Y89gIyIYIWHM9tR53
And here are the results so far:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...47&single=true
Nick
02-21-18, 11:38 PM
#722
Glad you like it,Gordon.
Yeah, the ‘16 & ‘17 cars fetched some good money, more than I expected to be honest. Of course, this is only partial but an indicator nonetheless.
There are are also some other interesting data points. Thus far, only manual cars are represented in the database. Also, there is only ONE car sold which was an upgraded single turbo. The vast majority of cars sold are with stock turbos or maybe ‘99 Spec, with one respondent having a BNR setup.
It would appear that a modified FD may not be so commonly sold in this day and age. However, there are three cars thus far which you may consider “highly modified” with more than “$10k in bolt on’s” and all three of them sold for north of $20k.
So, while modified FD’s aren’t moving as often it seems, the value is still there.
I’d like to reach a point where we’ve got 100 or more respondents so we can begin to draw some meaningful conclusions and even plot price over time and maybe even predict where the future values will be with empirical data.
Nick
Yeah, the ‘16 & ‘17 cars fetched some good money, more than I expected to be honest. Of course, this is only partial but an indicator nonetheless.
There are are also some other interesting data points. Thus far, only manual cars are represented in the database. Also, there is only ONE car sold which was an upgraded single turbo. The vast majority of cars sold are with stock turbos or maybe ‘99 Spec, with one respondent having a BNR setup.
It would appear that a modified FD may not be so commonly sold in this day and age. However, there are three cars thus far which you may consider “highly modified” with more than “$10k in bolt on’s” and all three of them sold for north of $20k.
So, while modified FD’s aren’t moving as often it seems, the value is still there.
I’d like to reach a point where we’ve got 100 or more respondents so we can begin to draw some meaningful conclusions and even plot price over time and maybe even predict where the future values will be with empirical data.
Nick
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02-22-18, 08:51 AM
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^^ Wow. Not what I expected at all
My first FD had 25K miles and it didn't have any of that (but the car was silver so it easy to hide scratches). And my second FD (montego) had 54K on the clock and the paint was stunning, no dings, no nicks, and no scratches. So my judgement was going off on my experience. But I'll take your experience over mine so maybe I got lucky?
My first FD had 25K miles and it didn't have any of that (but the car was silver so it easy to hide scratches). And my second FD (montego) had 54K on the clock and the paint was stunning, no dings, no nicks, and no scratches. So my judgement was going off on my experience. But I'll take your experience over mine so maybe I got lucky?
I'm speaking mostly about cars purchased in the last 5-7 years. I used to see a lot more with pristine paint 12-15 years ago, its just rare to see one that doesnt have the typical door dings from people bumping them closed with their hips or common nicks and scratches unless it was owned by a true enthusiast. Most that are really clean have been repainted which hurts the value in a lot of collectors eyes.
I need to list one on BAT. Its crazy people are over paying that much, or maybe I am just undervaluing them too much.
02-22-18, 09:48 AM
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I'm speaking mostly about cars purchased in the last 5-7 years. I used to see a lot more with pristine paint 12-15 years ago, its just rare to see one that doesnt have the typical door dings from people bumping them closed with their hips or common nicks and scratches unless it was owned by a true enthusiast. Most that are really clean have been repainted which hurts the value in a lot of collectors eyes.
I need to list one on BAT. Its crazy people are over paying that much, or maybe I am just undervaluing them too much.
I need to list one on BAT. Its crazy people are over paying that much, or maybe I am just undervaluing them too much.
Lots of barn find examples.
Crazy market right now. As I mentioned it's a 15k car to me as I believe it will need some attention over the next few years IF driven but it likely won't be. There are probably 10 cars listed on this forum right now that you or me or any other enthusiast would buy before taking that plunge as we want cars that can be driven and are better deals (ie don't need 10k in maintenance lol). Once those cars are gone we'll see the values really climb. I'd say in 5 years or so.
I think the reason the bone stock cars are commanding such a premium is the buyers buying them aren't thinking about driving them they are thinking about refurbishing and storing etc...
PS One thing is for certain if you can't sell your FD fast just list it on BAT and let the chips fall where they may
