How to value your FD
11-16-18, 01:37 PM
#1726
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I had guessed $48,500 for the SSM currently on BaT, but I'm now going to add a wrinkle!
If the seller never posts compression figures I will drop my guess by $5k to $43,500.
So, that now begs the question: Has anyone factored whether compression values were provided into their analysis of recent pricing?
If the seller never posts compression figures I will drop my guess by $5k to $43,500.
So, that now begs the question: Has anyone factored whether compression values were provided into their analysis of recent pricing?
11-16-18, 01:40 PM
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I had guessed $48,500 for the SSM currently on BaT, but I'm now going to add a wrinkle!
If the seller never posts compression figures I will drop my guess by $5k to $43,500.
So, that now begs the question: Has anyone factored whether compression values were provided into their analysis of recent pricing?
If the seller never posts compression figures I will drop my guess by $5k to $43,500.
So, that now begs the question: Has anyone factored whether compression values were provided into their analysis of recent pricing?
11-16-18, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Montego
I would argue that they have done their research and they just don't care about the same things the forum does (trim).
11-17-18, 08:37 AM
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The CW was a touring model and the CYM an R model, so you can't claim the higher price was netted due to their trim. We have all said that color makes a difference, this just justifies it. So far the data shows that trim differences between Touring/PEP/Base don't affect price. However, we need R models (not CYM) to come rolling through in order to make an honest assessment about R1/R2 cars. IMO two 1993 red R1's with 20-40K miles would answer the question about trim.
CYM will always be considered special and could very well end up being the most valuable FD in 20 years. One thing is for sure it won't be a VR/tan touring fd or trim matters.
Year and model/trim have value, often times considerable value in the collector market and the FD will be no different.
11-17-18, 08:42 AM
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Also the engine in this car is still CHEAP!!!!
11-17-18, 08:57 AM
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I think David is simply trying to say that most of these cars will have 90 psi but more importantly the engine is the last thing you should be worried about. Paint work, interior and rust/overall condition are what truly matters because the engine will be coming out soon if you drive it and otherwise it just needs to start LOL
Also the engine in this car is still CHEAP!!!!
Also the engine in this car is still CHEAP!!!!
11-17-18, 09:28 AM
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I said 45 but this car could sell for 40 to 50 who knows. If it sells for 40 someone got a deal. If it sells for 50k someone paid too much. That's pretty much how I see it
It appears super clean and as David mentioned it's been very well kept/very little rust.
11-17-18, 10:16 AM
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11-17-18, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by adam c
There can be not argument that the CW and CYM's will sell for a higher price. I sold my 74K (tastefully modded) 94 CW a year ago for $35K. There's no way any other color would have fetched such a high price, and that was a YEAR AGO!!!
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11-19-18, 09:09 AM
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I can't answer for the others but I imagine on the cars under 20k miles the compression test has very little value. Personally I would ask for a hot start video and make my judgement. Its unlikely most of the sellers have a rotary compression tester or are gonna make plans within 5-6 days to get one performed when requested. Once a car gets above the 30k mileage I think the compression test would play a larger role.
11-19-18, 09:14 AM
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The CW was a touring model and the CYM an R model, so you can't claim the higher price was netted due to their trim. We have all said that color makes a difference, this just justifies it. So far the data shows that trim differences between Touring/PEP/Base don't affect price. However, we need R models (not CYM) to come rolling through in order to make an honest assessment about R1/R2 cars. IMO two 1993 red R1's with 20-40K miles would answer the question about trim.
11-19-18, 09:16 AM
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I believe similar to the 20 years I've been buying and selling these cars the 95 cars will be the most expensive with the R models on top, then base etc.... Followed by the 94 and at the bottom will be the 93 touring VR/tan and MB/tan.
CYM will always be considered special and could very well end up being the most valuable FD in 20 years. One thing is for sure it won't be a VR/tan touring fd or trim matters.
Year and model/trim have value, often times considerable value in the collector market and the FD will be no different.
CYM will always be considered special and could very well end up being the most valuable FD in 20 years. One thing is for sure it won't be a VR/tan touring fd or trim matters.
Year and model/trim have value, often times considerable value in the collector market and the FD will be no different.
11-19-18, 02:02 PM
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. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your point of view, the peanut gallery does have an impact on bids.wstrohm,
You got me wondering what each trim/model added to the cost so for fun I looked up different window stickers (all 94):
For apples to apples comparison I only looked at 94 models. Therefore using the base model as a reference point of zero, the trims added an additional cost of:
- $1800 for PEP
- $2000 for R2
- $3900 for Touring with MoonRoof
- $4200 for Touring with Metal Roof (assuming since it isn't listed)
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11-20-18, 02:57 PM
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The Rx7 is the top car in the current Hagerty Top 25 ratings.
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11-20-18, 04:53 PM
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I am back. And to gloat. Ssm did 40k. I don’t know what to tell you guys. When a cym goes for 60k and soon. Then you win. Until you keep losing
and dj. Yes I am offended. I don’t like the way you speak to others. This is a hobby for us all. And yes we passionate about it. But we come here for fun. When I am being attacked personally it starts to not feel like fun.
Again. U want to poke fun. Call Matty blind. Things like that Fine. But you seem to make it about ego and I don’t want to do that. So look. Be direct. That is fine. Just don’t be a jerk. And this is the last time I will mention that.
Anyways. Oh yeah. About ego. I win again.
and dj. Yes I am offended. I don’t like the way you speak to others. This is a hobby for us all. And yes we passionate about it. But we come here for fun. When I am being attacked personally it starts to not feel like fun.
Again. U want to poke fun. Call Matty blind. Things like that Fine. But you seem to make it about ego and I don’t want to do that. So look. Be direct. That is fine. Just don’t be a jerk. And this is the last time I will mention that.
Anyways. Oh yeah. About ego. I win again.
11-20-18, 04:58 PM
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E46 m3 is the best looking m ever made I think. I never met someone that doesn’t love the looks. I get tons of compliments
having said that. The fd is still the king of the fun factor.
11-20-18, 05:06 PM
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U know my original argument about color has sort of got lost here. I do think a cw and cyw could do a bit better in price than a vr or silver. I just don’t think it’s an incredibly material difference. And I think given that auctions are so random most of the value gap will likely get noised out due to characteristics of what auctions are. Who shows up. How well presented and etc. I also went on to explain how liquidity plays a role. So again a cw or cym if we had these cars trading more would establish a trend of slightly higher value. But they don’t trade a lot. So it’s null. I think it will be smaller than most think . And I definitely don’t think anyone is paying 60k for a cym tomorrow. Color may matter but it matters far less to bat than it does Rx7club. That is my point. Different type of players. I don’t see how one can take issue with that. It appears FRITZ is coming around to the fact that the bat market and club market are different. But dj doesn’t.
I just think more attention should be spent thinking about how liquidity will impact prices of the Fd. You can’t compare them to m3 or 911. There, color will make a huge difference Bc there are so many trades. I think my argument is based more on how markets function rather than the Fd itself. But I do stand by thoughts on the Fd market.
I just think more attention should be spent thinking about how liquidity will impact prices of the Fd. You can’t compare them to m3 or 911. There, color will make a huge difference Bc there are so many trades. I think my argument is based more on how markets function rather than the Fd itself. But I do stand by thoughts on the Fd market.
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11-20-18, 05:09 PM
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I am back. And to gloat. Ssm did 40k. I don’t know what to tell you guys. When a cym goes for 60k and soon. Then you win. Until you keep losing
and dj. Yes I am offended. I don’t like the way you speak to others. This is a hobby for us all. And yes we passionate about it. But we come here for fun. When I am being attacked personally it starts to not feel like fun.
Again. U want to poke fun. Call Matty blind. Things like that Fine. But you seem to make it about ego and I don’t want to do that. So look. Be direct. That is fine. Just don’t be a jerk. And this is the last time I will mention that.
Anyways. Oh yeah. About ego. I win again.
and dj. Yes I am offended. I don’t like the way you speak to others. This is a hobby for us all. And yes we passionate about it. But we come here for fun. When I am being attacked personally it starts to not feel like fun.
Again. U want to poke fun. Call Matty blind. Things like that Fine. But you seem to make it about ego and I don’t want to do that. So look. Be direct. That is fine. Just don’t be a jerk. And this is the last time I will mention that.
Anyways. Oh yeah. About ego. I win again.
Matty I know exactly what to tell you
You sir are a genius and without question understand the FD market.
Congrats on getting another one right.
Market seems to have cooled some and this may have been the best buy yet this year on BAT.
Hopefully it cools some more so I don't feel silly buying a low mileage R2
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11-20-18, 05:13 PM
#1750
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Lol.
I think the the stock market could be impacting it too. Seasonality shouldn’t matter too much to a collector. So I am not sure I totally agree. I think for drivers it matters. But not a collector. Again. Different type of markets.
If your argument is right all a collector has to do is play the calendar and he would be a guaranteed winner. Sorry I don’t buy that.
Matty I know exactly what to tell you
You sir are a genius and without question understand the FD market.
Congrats on getting another one right.
Market seems to have cooled some and this may have been the best buy yet this year on BAT.
Hopefully it cools some more so I don't feel silling buying a low mileage R2
You sir are a genius and without question understand the FD market.
Congrats on getting another one right.
Market seems to have cooled some and this may have been the best buy yet this year on BAT.
Hopefully it cools some more so I don't feel silling buying a low mileage R2