How to value your FD
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Fritz Flynn (11-14-18)
11-13-18, 09:00 PM
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On the SSMs the front bumper and rear bumper typical fade/lighten in color. The mirrors often experience full paint failure. The color was off pretty bad on that silver car as it appeared far too dark. I’m not a fan of the red interior but it just adds to the rarity. Was a great buy for the mileage.
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11-13-18, 09:28 PM
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And another one appears. Silver with black interior, 12k miles.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-45/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-45/
Anyway, I'll guess.... $48,500
ps - I was only off by $1k on the last SSM
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11-14-18, 08:35 AM
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The seller should have paid to get the bumper repainted. Clearly it wasnt original paint on it as is, so a repainted bumper isnt going to lower the value. A good paint shop could do it for around $500. Proper paint on the bumper would likely have yielded a sale price over $50K.
2800 miles makes this car more of a collectible than the 49K VR.
I really like the silver. Dont care too much for the VR, or any red color on a car. To each his own
2800 miles makes this car more of a collectible than the 49K VR.
I really like the silver. Dont care too much for the VR, or any red color on a car. To each his own
Looks pretty nice - other than the chromed wheels. Yuk! The only things I see are a couple of small dents behind the left front wheel and a pretty scratched up center console. I swear, my car (with almost 90,000 miles) has a center console in better condition than almost all of these low mileage unicorns!
Anyway, I'll guess.... $48,500
ps - I was only off by $1k on the last SSM Well played Adam C!
Anyway, I'll guess.... $48,500
ps - I was only off by $1k on the last SSM
Well played Adam C!
11-14-18, 08:37 AM
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I think its you who doesnt get it. Paint work lowers a cars collect ability. It is no longer original. That's a big deal. We can have a difference of opinion here. But as you saw. This supposed unicorn did less than the more common VR. And a CYM did crappy too. How much more evidence is it going to take? Production numbers really dont mean much in this segment. Not right now. Perhaps never. There isnt much a difference between trims either. Not enough to dictate any value. This topic has been beaten to death by myself and others. Some agree and some dont. I am weak to not offering my opinion when challenged though.
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11-14-18, 08:40 AM
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Fritz, where is the margin in flipping this? Guy just paid over 50k with the fee and likely some shipment expenses. Add in the repairs and you are significantly above the high water mark. At at the end you have a restored (no longer original) FD with obscenely low miles. Which who knows if that high water mark is repeatable at this point.
I just dont get you guys. This is a terrible flip. The margin, if one even exists, is pitiful for the capital thats being laid out.
Do yourself a favor and review trhe 49k car pics again. That thing was beautiful and showed very well. The silver one looked like crap compared to it. Much less presence.
I just dont get you guys. This is a terrible flip. The margin, if one even exists, is pitiful for the capital thats being laid out.
Do yourself a favor and review trhe 49k car pics again. That thing was beautiful and showed very well. The silver one looked like crap compared to it. Much less presence.
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11-14-18, 09:00 AM
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Fritz, where is the margin in flipping this? Guy just paid over 50k with the fee and likely some shipment expenses. Add in the repairs and you are significantly above the high water mark. At at the end you have a restored (no longer original) FD with obscenely low miles. Which who knows if that high water mark is repeatable at this point.
I just dont get you guys. This is a terrible flip. The margin, if one even exists, is pitiful for the capital thats being laid out.
I just dont get you guys. This is a terrible flip. The margin, if one even exists, is pitiful for the capital thats being laid out.
Bottomline: that particular car at 47k was a good buy and also one of the few good buys I've witnessed on BAT which is strange given it's an auction site.
11-14-18, 09:04 AM
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lol. I dont care about red tan and what the herd wants. My fd is in great shape, starts every time, and is show stopper when in pull into cars and coffee. My FD also is highly modified. So what unmolested museum pieces are going for means nothing to me. This is another concept some of you need to understand. Having said that its fun and markets are a hobby to me. Markets of all types.
I think its you who doesnt get it. Paint work lowers a cars collect ability. It is no longer original. That's a big deal. We can have a difference of opinion here. But as you saw. This supposed unicorn did less than the more common VR. And a CYM did crappy too. How much more evidence is it going to take? Production numbers really dont mean much in this segment. Not right now. Perhaps never. There isnt much a difference between trims either. Not enough to dictate any value. This topic has been beaten to death by myself and others. Some agree and some dont. I am weak to not offering my opinion when challenged though.
I think its you who doesnt get it. Paint work lowers a cars collect ability. It is no longer original. That's a big deal. We can have a difference of opinion here. But as you saw. This supposed unicorn did less than the more common VR. And a CYM did crappy too. How much more evidence is it going to take? Production numbers really dont mean much in this segment. Not right now. Perhaps never. There isnt much a difference between trims either. Not enough to dictate any value. This topic has been beaten to death by myself and others. Some agree and some dont. I am weak to not offering my opinion when challenged though.
I'll leave it at this. David has bought and sold a lot of these cars. He understands the market. COLOR is and will always be important, whether it's inside or out. Model and year is and will always be important.......blah blah blah
Why would anyone argue this topic when it's true in any car market esp the collector car market?
PS: paint work absolutely matters but mileage is HUGE!!!! Small amount of paint work versus very low miles so it's easily trumped.
PSS: Even nicely modded FDs are worth a lot today. Depending upon miles and condition. Very rare that they are sold. Similar to the 911 market, supra etc... the modded cars can sell for more than the bone stock ones.
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11-14-18, 09:16 AM
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I think most of these low mileage/high dollar cars are going to collectors, not rotary enthusiasts. They wont be driven much. They will be stored, and sold when the collector feels the time is right. They will all be sold for a profit.
I love the chrome wheels on the BAT SSM. I had the same chromed wheels on my 94. They look so much nicer than the stock dull wheels, and still retains the stock feature. I'll guess 46K on this one
I love the chrome wheels on the BAT SSM. I had the same chromed wheels on my 94. They look so much nicer than the stock dull wheels, and still retains the stock feature. I'll guess 46K on this one
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11-14-18, 10:44 AM
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We havent seen it in a measurable way yet on BAT! There is no arguing otherwise!
I do agree color matters on M3 and 911 where they are so frequently traded. I dont want to get into this. But that is a loose outline of why it matters less for the FD (which hardily trades).
Hopefully more transactions trickle in. Lets see how this silver car does as its literally exact to the 49k VR that sold. If trades for less i suggest you bend a knee
I do agree color matters on M3 and 911 where they are so frequently traded. I dont want to get into this. But that is a loose outline of why it matters less for the FD (which hardily trades).
Hopefully more transactions trickle in. Lets see how this silver car does as its literally exact to the 49k VR that sold. If trades for less i suggest you bend a knee
LOL...........
I'll leave it at this. David has bought and sold a lot of these cars. He understands the market. COLOR is and will always be important, whether it's inside or out. Model and year is and will always be important.......blah blah blah
Why would anyone argue this topic when it's true in any car market esp the collector car market?
PS: paint work absolutely matters but mileage is HUGE!!!! Small amount of paint work versus very low miles so it's easily trumped.
PSS: Even nicely modded FDs are worth a lot today. Depending upon miles and condition. Very rare that they are sold. Similar to the 911 market, supra etc... the modded cars can sell for more than the bone stock ones.
I'll leave it at this. David has bought and sold a lot of these cars. He understands the market. COLOR is and will always be important, whether it's inside or out. Model and year is and will always be important.......blah blah blah
Why would anyone argue this topic when it's true in any car market esp the collector car market?
PS: paint work absolutely matters but mileage is HUGE!!!! Small amount of paint work versus very low miles so it's easily trumped.
PSS: Even nicely modded FDs are worth a lot today. Depending upon miles and condition. Very rare that they are sold. Similar to the 911 market, supra etc... the modded cars can sell for more than the bone stock ones.
11-14-18, 11:11 AM
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Looks pretty nice - other than the chromed wheels. Yuk! The only things I see are a couple of small dents behind the left front wheel and a pretty scratched up center console. I swear, my car (with almost 90,000 miles) has a center console in better condition than almost all of these low mileage unicorns!
Anyway, I'll guess.... $48,500
ps - I was only off by $1k on the last SSM Well played Adam C!
Anyway, I'll guess.... $48,500
ps - I was only off by $1k on the last SSM
Well played Adam C!
11-14-18, 03:36 PM
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I think most of these low mileage/high dollar cars are going to collectors, not rotary enthusiasts. They wont be driven much. They will be stored, and sold when the collector feels the time is right. They will all be sold for a profit.
I love the chrome wheels on the BAT SSM. I had the same chromed wheels on my 94. They look so much nicer than the stock dull wheels, and still retains the stock feature. I'll guess 46K on this one
I love the chrome wheels on the BAT SSM. I had the same chromed wheels on my 94. They look so much nicer than the stock dull wheels, and still retains the stock feature. I'll guess 46K on this one
The BB/tan low mileage lightly modded car sold for 23,700. That was another decent deal. Based on appearance, start up and driving video etc... I didn't know about the accident damage but even with that I'd stick with a close to 30k value.
NOTE the bone stock CYM with 38k miles sold for 38k. I'd take the BB/tan touring at 30k before the extremely well cleaned CYM..... Cleaning is super important on BAT but CYM, bone stock, clean history etc... also matters.
11-14-18, 04:24 PM
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11-14-18, 04:26 PM
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We havent seen it in a measurable way yet on BAT! There is no arguing otherwise!
I do agree color matters on M3 and 911 where they are so frequently traded. I dont want to get into this. But that is a loose outline of why it matters less for the FD (which hardily trades).
Hopefully more transactions trickle in. Lets see how this silver car does as its literally exact to the 49k VR that sold. If trades for less i suggest you bend a knee
I do agree color matters on M3 and 911 where they are so frequently traded. I dont want to get into this. But that is a loose outline of why it matters less for the FD (which hardily trades).
Hopefully more transactions trickle in. Lets see how this silver car does as its literally exact to the 49k VR that sold. If trades for less i suggest you bend a knee
Here's the best example of cars recently sold on BAT and why interior color matters.
VR/black FD that's super clean with 9k miles sells for 49k and VR/tan FD with 9k miles, also super clean, reaches 37k but doesn't meet reserve. The black interior is expensive or appears to directly influence value in this example.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-42/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-32/
I'll say 45k on this SSM because of time of year and overall condition etc.... Not as clean as the VR/black car and 25 percent more mileage.
The only tan interior FDs I see bring big money is a CW and that's because the exterior color trumps the interior color. That's how much color matters.
Higher mileage, rust cover up, major engine bay clean up/cover up, not the best compression etc... sells for 40k. WHY? Because it's white.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-mazda-rx-7-17/
Check the CYM cars.
Whoever bought this SSM/red FD did very well.
Whoever bought the BB/tan did well.
Whoever bought the VR/black overpaid but still has a very nice low mileage FD.
I can't wait to see a low mileage clean R2 (sub 10k miles) listed. I'll be bidding as will lots of other people and we'll likely see a new record because model matters
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11-14-18, 06:47 PM
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11-14-18, 06:51 PM
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It does appear like tan takes a sharp hit. Outside of that the only extrapolation one can make is exterior color and trim don’t matter much if at all. In fact one of the winners of one of the museum quality cars actually preferred the touring for its options. Conventional forum logic has clearly failed.which had been my point. Bat is a different market. It’s collectors looking for low mileage examples. The small nuances that we Rx7 enthusiasts embrace just aren’t mattering in bat. Time to accept it fritz and other guy. When will you two learn? 😬
But yes. 93 tan is doing poorly.
But yes. 93 tan is doing poorly.
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11-14-18, 06:59 PM
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And for the record you can visibly see sharp valuation gaps in other model cars. Smurf m3’s are going for 10k more. That’s like a 30% premium. You can’t even point to a 5% premium for fd. The most valuable trade to date is the most common color and common trim for crying out loud. Time to fess up...
11-14-18, 07:00 PM
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It does appear like tan takes a sharp hit. Outside of that the only extrapolation one can make is exterior color and trim don’t matter much if at all. In fact one of the winners of one of the museum quality cars actually preferred the touring for its options. Conventional forum logic has clearly failed.which had been my point. Bat is a different market. It’s collectors looking for low mileage examples. The small nuances that we Rx7 enthusiasts embrace just aren’t mattering in bat. Time to accept it fritz and other guy. When will you two learn? 😬
But yes. 93 tan is doing poorly.
But yes. 93 tan is doing poorly.
Can't wait to see a sub 10k mile CYM listed. A base white 95. R2 etc...etc...
Current record holder is the base 94 VR that didn't make reserve but sold for 50k outside of BAT. I know but what about the 5 percent on the 49. Ok the 93 touring sold for more but trust this that buyer paid too much.
Have patience