Failed smog check
I failed Colorado's smog check because of no front catalytic converter. Does any body have an old pre cat for a 93 FD
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I take it you failed visual and not functional? If so I would try taking it to someone else first. But if you are dead set on it: PM Fritz (he is the go to person) and see if he has one. Just make sure you gut it out prior to install.
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Originally Posted by nugget2941
(Post 12188699)
I heard cat prices have come down from before
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Passing smog in california
Originally Posted by adam c
(Post 12188800)
If you continue to post garbage like this, just to increase your post count, you will quickly make enemies on this forum.
But undergoing reliability mods, I've replaced all three w/ aftermarket. HKS DP, RB catback and PowerFC. I have the stock downpipe, stock cat and the stock ECU, and I have the 4 wires for the PowerFC hooked up w/ connectors so I can reattach them if necessary to put the stock ECU back on. All other emissions things (Air pump, EGR) were retained. The main cat and ECU I am more than willing to swap out every two years to pass smog but the downpipe... it was a pain the first time swapping it out and I can't imagine it getting any easier... I figure I could probably pass visual no problem... but with the HKS downpipe, stock cat and stock ECU could I pass the sniffer? Or is there a way I can setup a "smog" tune with the PowerFC? |
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It may indeed be a "trap," but I'll throw in my $.02 anyway:
I figure I could probably pass visual no problem... but with the HKS downpipe, stock cat and stock ECU could I pass the sniffer? |
Most smog techs wont notice the downpipe, so if your car runs clean, it should pass.
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My 1995 R2 is a "test only station" car, probably all CA-titled FD's are the same due to the emissions profile of the FD3S. Where I live, it is the ASM loaded dyno test and using just a stock ECM and stock main cat it passes (very low CO and HC, NOx is about in the middle of the allowable range but fairly big numbers.
My car has a JDM Mazda downpipe, it has the OEM heat shielding so it looks a lot more like the catted DP then an aftermarket one. Still, at my last renewal I needed a smog inspection and the tech looked at it with a flashlight for quite a while - actually they looked the whole emissions system over fairly extensively. Only mods are the DP, and a Blitz SMIC that I had covered up with "heat shielding" for the inspection. :blush: I think if I had an aftermarket DP, I would have failed visual at this shop. But, every situation is different for sure. To the OP's main question, some regions have the ASM test and some are a idle and 2500 RPM unloaded sniffer test depending on the degree of air quality nonattainment for the county. If you are in an ASM region, the Power FC may not cut it for emissions control, and you will also need to modify the check engine light circuit so that it displays briefly at key on like the OEM ECM to avoid failing visual inspection. If you are in a non-ASM region then the Power FC with good tuning and a good main cat + the check engine light mod should pass tailpipe emissions. But the DP is still an open question. ...I wish I had a way to register the car out of state and avoid this whole nonsense - and the upcoming increase in registration fees - but for now that is more hassle than it is worth. |
My 1995 R2 is a "test only station" car, probably all CA-titled FD's are the same due to the emissions profile of the FD3S. Also, I have found that the stock cat (which I had to replace once) is the critical item in sniffer performance... the Bonez cat I once bought failed smog testing when new, but the replacement stock cat worked (and works) as it should. I think it has something to do with its internal construction, i.e. maybe the injected air distribution inside the cat is better designed than on aftermarket parts. But it is expensive! |
I have a stock JDM catless precat, looks just like stock with no restriction. PM me if you are interested
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The amount of precious metal and transport area in the OEM cat are vastly higher than any aftermarket cat. That thing weighs a ton! I have actually picked up a sub-10K mile OEM cat that I am keeping in reserve just for smog check in case the already low mile OEM cat now on my car degrades and/or CARB again lowers the pass limit levels and I need more emissions reduction. CARB has been talking recently about doing this...
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Originally Posted by wazway
(Post 12189963)
I have a stock JDM catless precat, looks just like stock with no restriction. PM me if you are interested
It's not the same as a catted DP in appearance though, as I mentioned. |
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Originally Posted by wstrohm
(Post 12189961)
Also, I have found that the stock cat (which I had to replace once) is the critical item in sniffer performance... the Bonez cat I once bought failed smog testing when new, but the replacement stock cat worked (and works) as it should. I think it has something to do with its internal construction, i.e. maybe the injected air distribution inside the cat is better designed than on aftermarket parts. But it is expensive!
Originally Posted by jza80
(Post 12189968)
The amount of precious metal and transport area in the OEM cat are vastly higher than any aftermarket cat.
I have actually picked up a sub-10K mile OEM cat that I am keeping in reserve just for smog check in case the already low mile OEM cat now on my car degrades and/or CARB again lowers the pass limit levels and I need more emissions reduction. CARB has been talking recently about doing this... You can tell if your O2 sensor is biasing rich or lean by looking at the CO% and NOx PPM for a condition. So here is the most recent California emissions test for my car from the previous owner, 49k mileage on a basically stock vehicle with stock ECU: https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1496868437 Notice how NOx is above average (average of passing vehicles), while HC and CO are below? Also notice the 2.4% O2. That's definitely leaner than Lambda=1.0 . High O2% is associated with lean running and in some cases poor mixing in the combustion chamber. I don't live in an area with tailpipe tests so I replaced the USDM pre cat with the JDM downpipe and elected to keep the biased O2 sensor, because running leaner in closed loop is better for fuel economy. I'm very happy with the JDM downpipe due to the heat shielding and quiet sound. |
Originally Posted by wstrohm
(Post 12189731)
It may indeed be a "trap," but I'll throw in my $.02 anyway:
I would say yes, from my experience. I have a Bonez downpipe replacing the pre-cat, blocked EGR, stock ECU and stock cat. A late test is attached here. (Note the mileage on this car, with its original engine.) Not sure how this is a "trap"... but just wanted to get a feel for how other CA FD drivers were passing smog. Saw a nice MB at Rick's Rotary that'd been there for weeks trying to pass smog :( |
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