What models had what options? Maybe we can get a list to straighten this stuff out
OK I'm mainly wondering about Series 4
What models where there? Vert, Turbo II, GTU, base, SE. right? or was SE the base model. I know SE had pretty much no options generally was GTU the sport version? T2 w/o the turbo? and about options what came w/ leather as option? T2, vert, GXL? anyone else know what came in the packages? like AC, PS, sunroof, AAS (auto adjust suspension), LSD. But I have a list of LSD and also I know moonroof was a very popular option. Was it standard on all, or what models was it standard? Any other options I'm missing? or maybe even models lol. OK well thanks in advance. |
well before anyone says they do I have to say the sports did NOT come with a LSD
also the sports can get A/C, P/S with variable assist, think they had the TII susp, 4 piston brakes up front, vented rotors in the rear, had the cool aero things and the shelf on the back, can have the moon roof also, 15" inch rims, and they CAN have the steel hood. now other then that I have no clue on the other cars and what all they can come with other then the GXL and I think we all know what that comes with |
My 88 GXL came with the following:
Leather Tape deck with EQ power sunroof power door locks Power steering Power Windows Power Mirrors AAS Air conditioning Limited Slip Differential 15in "Balogna Slicer" Rims Factory Alarm Rear Wiper Rear Defroster |
Yeah GXL was luxury. I know that much, I think SE was base and GTU was the sport, which GTU became base in series 5.
And heres what I've seen about LSD's But I'm still not sure whether or not verts have LSD or not, some say yes, some say no. This is from a LSD thread a few weeks ago 86-88 Base/Luxury Package/SE = No LSD 86-87 Sport = No LSD 88 GTU = Clutch type LSD 86-88 GXL = Clutch type LSD 88-91 Convertble = No LSD 89-90 GXL & GTU = No LSD 91 Coupe A, B, C = No LSD 87-88 Turbo = LSD (Don't know what type) 89-91 Turbo = LSD (Don't know what type) 89-90 GTUs = Viscous type LSD All automatics = no LSD |
What's that?
READ THIS!!! :D (No, that wasn't a shameless plug! What are you talking about??? :p) Brandon |
i am pretty sure that all s4's lsd's were clutch type and all s5's fluid type
Justin |
lets just put that right here
...the second-gen RX-7 (for the sake of brevity, I'm going to ignore the
TII model). All had the 13B twin-rotor dual-stage FI 6-port engines. They came in several trim levels -- the "base", SE, sport, GTU, GTUs, and GXL, and convertible from "base-est" to "nicest". The unmarked base was only made in 86-87, with the exception of the super-rare "true base" which was made from 86-88 (no sunroof, steel wheels, no tape player, etc). The manual base had a 4.1:1 open diff. The "sport" was also only in 87-88, and was a base with the 4-piston brakes (which implies 5-lug wheels), rubber baby spoiler and turbo suspension, with a 4.1:1 clutch-pack LSD. The GXL was the "luxury" version and had big 4-pot brakes, Auto-adjusting suspension, (and in 86 had a white gauge face cover), power windows (and locks in 87), again with the clutch-pack LSD. All could be ordered with an auto tranny and leather, except the super-base. The auto tranny always implies an open 3.9:1 rear-end (to lower cruising RPMs). Power steering was a factory option that one doesn't find much on the base models. ALL cars (again, except the super-base) had a power sunroof. If it had 4-lug wheels, it ran on 185/65R14s on the ugly-as-all-hell "phone-dial" rims. If it had 5-lugs, it ran on 205/65R15s on the "baloney-slicer" powdered aluminum rims. For reference, Mike, my car was an 86 GXL. The white one was an 87 base. In 88, the base (not super-base) became the SE, and the sport package cars became the "GTU" trim model, in honor of Mazda's IMSA GTU championship win. The GTU recieved a cool-looking two-tone paint job and a smaller version of what would become the 89-91 rear spoiler. They're super-sweet. Mazda chucked the powder-coated look on the 5-lug rims, and they became lighter polished (shiny) aluminum rims. Again, they're schweet. Power steering becomes more prevalent, as do power windows and locks. The GXL introduces the security system option this year, too, IIRC. The same LSD/open-diff rules apply. In 89, the [2] recieves a "freshening" of its look. The front fascia is lowered slightly, the front fenders are rounded (less supra-like), and the tail lights are changed from the square "honda lights" of 86-88 to the uber-cool round lights. All cars now recieve the rear spoiler. The GTU, which used to mean "sport" now means "base". The sport model now becomes the GTUs -- the baddest of all the N/A RX-7s. The GTU (remember, "base") is now a fully-appointed car, with power all around, and the option for CD, leather, and security system. It still only has 2-pot front brakes and an open diff, though Mazda changed the design from clutch-pack to viscous. The GXL is just plain sweet. It still has the AAS (auto-adjusting suspension) but it's got better seats and stereo than the GTU, and comes std. with all the goodies (including fog lights where the brake ducts should be). All cars are now 5-lug + LSD with all models having the 4-pot fronts, except the GTU. All had 5-spoke, twin-spoke 15-inch wheels. The same rear-end ratios from 86-88 apply (4.1 for manual, 3.9 for auto). Ah, now back to the super-mega-ultra-schweet GTUs (that's GTU + s = GTUs). The GTUs came without power windows , the turbo power steering rack (fewer turns lock-to-lock), the turbo suspension, the big brakes and no sunroof (because it lowers the CofG, dummy-head!). It was essentially optionless. What's different about it and the GTU of yore? It's 4.3:1 clutch-pack rear-end. Very few were made in 1989 (something like 1000?), with Mazda ceasing to "officially" make them in 1990. Mazda did, however, make about 100 of them. They're *really* rare. By 1991, Mazda has already introduced the [3] in Japan, and was gearing up to sell it here, too. The RX-7 only came in three models: Coupe, Convertible, and Turbo II. There were no badges on the cars, but, IIRC, there was some differentiation between big and small brakes and the LSD option, though I don't remember it right now. The rims changed - in 91 they were 5-spoke organic-looking things. They're cooler than the 89-90 rims, but not as cool as the polished 88 baloney slicers, IMHO. |
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Whew! That's a hell of a tale, eh? Now, if only I could find the analog for the 2nd-gen Nissan 200SX! > to begin with mods will prbably be gutting it. getting new tires. normal > maintanance things like brakes. clutch if needed. full exhaust. maybe > some springs. All easy. It's pretty hard to beat the stock 89-91 TII rims. They're 16" and lighter than all hell, and can be had for not too much. Get some. (Then get a 4.3 rear end from Kaaz or Quaife, and SCREAM up and down the strip) > i know later second gens had more power correct? when did this change take > place. Hmm, I kinda skipped that earlier, I guess. Okay, in 1986, Mazda made all cars with the 13B (again, I'm gonna skip the turbo model). The cars had a distributorless, dual-coil wastespark ignition system and a dual-stage fuel injection system plugged into a dual-path intake system (which exited through a dual-pipe exhaust! muhahahaha!... okay, I'm better now). The series 4 (that's 86-88) engines were rated at 146 fwhp. No too bad for the day. The fully-optioned 1986 GXL (which weighed in at about 2900 lbs) had performance slightly (and I mean slightly) better than the GSL-SE. As you lost weight, you gained performance. The 86 base weighed in the neighborhood of 2650 lbs. All cars had a 7000 RPM redline (11 lb rotors, IIRC), and 9.0:1 compression (again, IIRC). All engines (including the GSL-SE's, I think) are 6-port induction engines. Basically, at about 3000 RPM, a second intake path opens up, which allows the engine to breathe better. It's generally referred to as 6PI as in "my 6PI sleeve is stuck open/closed". They aren't too terribly reliable. Most people just wire 'em open (though you *do* lose a lot of off-the-line torque). Think VTEC for rotaries. In 89, Mazda updated the engines. They had lighter rotors (9 lbs) and a higher redline (8000 RPM) and compression (9.5:1). These engines were rated at 160 fwhp. Mazda also introduced the VDI intake manifolds in 89. This used the slight intake-path backpressure that resulted from the intake port closure to force a bit more air into the other rotor's intake. This comes online at about 5500 RPM. The difference is *very* noticeable (like, 15-20 hp noticable), but it takes a good bit of work. > how much would it cost to find a well used but not dead later model > t2. now much for a well used but not dead later model na seocnd gen? There's a general rule about TIIs: The cheap ones ain't good, and the good ones ain't cheap. Expect to spend $3500-$6000 for a nice stock to conservatively-modded 87-91 (the series doesn't seem to make much of a difference). For an N/A? Hmmm, it depends. Some people can find steals, some can't. The pricing of the NAs is a bit more erratic. I'm one of the people that can't seem to find steals :-( With that in mind, anyone want to sell me their RX-7? I'm looking for a daily beater or a weekend car. I'm a poor college student, but I love RX-7s (hell, just read the above email!) and will take good care of it! It doesn't have to be beautiful, just reliable! And hell, I'll take one that doesn't have A/C! ;-) > all help and opinions would be appriciated. Well, I hope I answered any questions you may have, Mike. Let me know if you can think of anything I didn't address here :-) And I'll buy your GSL fo' a hunn'ert dolla's! :-) > mike Brandon The Ultimate Armchair Enthusiast (sell me your car!) *edit* someone beat me to it, heres the second half. |
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Originally posted by Node Very nice, I think I've seen it before. Brandon |
oops i didnt think the stuff after what i saw was of any improtance. that'll teach me to stop reading before the end :doh:
JUstin |
So lemme try this
Code:
YR | base | sport | Lux | Turbo II | Vert the Series 4 Sport, Lux, and Turbo II have LSD (clutch type). I'm still unsure about verts. And for Series 5 only the GTUs and Turbo II had LSD (viscous) and still unresolved on verts and LSD (limited slip differential) the GTUs was a limited edition super sport, which had cloth, no sunroof, 16" S5 Turbo II style BBS wheels, Turbo II suspension and brakes, LSD, 4.3 rear end gear, only AM/FM Radio, aluminum hood, etc etc What was the sport for 89? or was it only GTU, GXL, and then limited GTUs (1000 made, 100 in 1990, but unclaimed by mazda) |
correction, SOME Sports models had LSD, not all of them did, but some did have the LSD differential's, just thought i'd clear that up :)
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weren't verts auto. autos were open wheeled. therefore verts were open wheeled. of course, that is in the states right, j-spec cars were different weren't they.
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also in 86 there was the Luxury Coupe. This was a Base with alloy 14 inch phone dials, power mirrors, sunroof, and had the power window option. It was called the GX by Mazda (as the sport was called the GS) on the window stickers.
And if you are updateing your chart... there were no North American T2 models until mid 87 there were no North American 'Vert models until 88 |
Originally posted by Icemark And if you are updateing your chart... there were no North American T2 models until mid 87 there were no North American 'Vert models until 88 maybe it was updating the formatting on it 6 TIMES! and not all verts where auto, but of the autos, thatd be the most popular model for it. Code:
YR | base | sport | Lux | Turbo II | Vert |
Originally posted by Agent_D correction, SOME Sports models had LSD, not all of them did, but some did have the LSD differential's, just thought i'd clear that up :) I don't have proof on that however, just personal observation. |
Originally posted by Agent_D correction, SOME Sports models had LSD, not all of them did, but some did have the LSD differential's, just thought i'd clear that up :) at least when I jack the bastard up and spin one wheel the other wheel turns the other way. I just dont understand the GXL gets on the damn luxury car, but not the sport version of the car..... as you can tell I am just a tad bit bitter :mad: oh well |
Originally posted by rxspeed87 yeah damn fucking mazda forgot to put a LSD in my fucking car ( just a little bitter ) at least when I jack the bastard up and spin one wheel the other wheel turns the other way. I just dont understand the GXL gets on the damn luxury car, but not the sport version of the car..... as you can tell I am just a tad bit bitter :mad: oh well |
ok hold on then
let me refocus my rant for a moment damn the fucking original owner of my car why the hell did he not get the damn LSD. you go out and buy the sport version so why the hell not buy the LSD. UGH!!!!! yes I know kinda child like but hey we all have to have our rants to keep us feeling good :D one last thing DAMn the person who bought the car to start with still dont see though why the GXL would get it stock but the sport it was an option if anything I would think the other way around |
okay, prior to reading this thread, i perceived the s4 GXLs to have LSDs and the s5 dont..
now.. i'm reading that the s5 gxl has LSD? could someone PLEASE clear this up for me :) |
Hey dude
i have all that info in my 88 rx7 brochure. I am just to lazy to post it right now. mybe i will post some later. look in a brochure it will speak all. Lates Matt22 |
Originally posted by Agent_D correction, SOME Sports models had LSD, not all of them did, but some did have the LSD differential's, just thought i'd clear that up :) Brandon |
Originally posted by snoopster76 weren't verts auto. autos were open wheeled. therefore verts were open wheeled. of course, that is in the states right, j-spec cars were different weren't they. Auto was an option on Verts here in the US. Manual verts had a 4.1 LSD rear, autos had 3.9 open. Brandon |
Originally posted by omochi okay, prior to reading this thread, i perceived the s4 GXLs to have LSDs and the s5 dont.. now.. i'm reading that the s5 gxl has LSD? could someone PLEASE clear this up for me :) So, yeah, the only S5 cars that had LSD were the GTUs, TIIs, and Verts. The GTU and GXL had open diffs. Mea culpa. Brandon |
vert LSD
Are you sure about the convertibles? I think my factory brochure says that the LSD wasn't available, in the options chart. I picked up a GXL rear end for that very reason. Also, if its open, I think the vert rear end was 3.90 for fuel efficiency reasons as opposed to 4.10.
Ralf 88 vert Leather shift boots going strong |
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