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chris french_87rx7 06-26-11 07:48 PM

Using "Z Max" in 13B's
 
Has anyone ever used "Z Max" oil and fuel system treatment in there 13B,s? If so what are your thoughts on it? Would this be a good idea or would it hurt the motor?

BomberMan 06-26-11 08:41 PM

Try snake oil, it works better.

Just one oz in your car and it will last 100 years and make 1000 horsepower!!

K-Tune 06-26-11 08:56 PM

Or they make these special smoke machines that have an anal attachment...Made my car run so much better.

Evil Aviator 06-26-11 09:57 PM

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm


Originally Posted by FTC

FTC Sues Speedway Motorsports and Oil-Chem Subsidiary
Performance Claims For zMax Auto Additives Are Unsubstantiated, FTC Charges


The Federal Trade Commission has filed suit in U. S. District Court seeking to halt false and misleading advertising for zMax auto additives and has asked the court to order refunds to consumers who bought the products. The agency alleges that enhanced performance claims for the product are unsubstantiated, that tests cited to support performance claims actually demonstrated that motor oil treated with zMax produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion than motor oil alone, and that the three different products - an engine additive, a fuel line additive and a transmission additive - were all actually tinted mineral oil. zMax is manufactured by Oil-Chem, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Speedway Motorsports, Inc. Speedway, based in Concord, North Carolina, operates NASCAR race tracks in the South and in California, in addition to marketing the zMax products.

According to the FTC complaint, since at least May 1999, zMax ran infomercials touting its "Power System," a $39 package of three additives to be used in the engine, fuel line and transmission of automobiles. The infomercials feature testimonials from consumers and race car drivers making claims such as, "I was averaging about 22 miles to the gallon on the highway. I installed the zMax and so I jumped right up to about 28 miles per gallon;" and "zMax guarantees a minimum of 10 percent gas mileage increase." Other marketing and promotional pieces claim, "zMax with LinKite has the scientific, CRC L38 proof it takes your car to the MAX!" and "Why zMAX Works - Cuts carbon build-up on valve stems 66%; Lowers wear on valve stems 66%; Lowers wear on piston skirts 60%; Reduces blow-by leakage 17.7%; Increases combustion efficiency 9.25%; Lowers fuel consumption 8.5% - Results of an independent CRC L38 test."

According to the FTC, the CRC L38 test is a standard auto industry tool to measure the bearing corrosion protection properties of motor oils. In February/March 1997, an independent laboratory performed two CRC L38 tests of zMax for Speedway and Oil Chem. In those tests, motor oil treated with zMax produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion as motor oil alone. The complaint also states that the defendants fabricated one "report" from the two test reports, eliminating the bearing corrosion results and all other negative test results, and then used that report and the "official laboratory results" - similarly edited to remove detrimental data results - as sales tools in the infomercial and on the zMax Web site.

The FTC's complaint alleges that the defendants did not possess and rely on reasonable substantiation for the following claims in the infomercial, on the Web site and in brochures that zMax:
-increases gas mileage;
-increases gas mileage by a minimum of 10%
-reduces engine wear;
-reduces or eliminates engine wear at startup;
-reduces engine corrosion;
-extends engine life; and
-reduces emissions.

The agency's complaint also alleges that the defendants falsely represent that the results of the CRC L38 test proved that zMax:
-increases gas mileage;
-reduces engine wear;
-extends engine life;
-lowers fuel consumption by 8.5%
-lowers wear on valve stems by 66%
-lowers wear on piston skirts by 60%; and
-cuts carbon build-up on valve stems by 66%.

Finally, the FTC charges that in consumer testimonials and endorsements in their advertising, the defendants did not have substantiation for the representation that the endorsers' experiences were, "The actual and current opinions, findings, beliefs, and/or experiences of those consumers; and the typical or ordinary experience of members of the public who use the product."

The FTC is asking the court to bar the defendants from violating the FTC Act, which prohibits deceptive acts and to order consumer redress or require that they give up their ill-gotten gains.

This case is the latest in a series of FTC law-enforcement initiatives targeting unsubstantiated claims made by auto additive manufacturers. The FTC previously halted allegedly deceptive advertising by the marketers of Dura Lube, Motor Up, Prolong, Valvoline, Slick 50, and STP, other major brands of engine treatment products.

The Commission vote to file the complaint was 5-0. It was filed in U.S. District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina, in Greensboro, January 31, 2001.

NOTE: The Commission authorizes the filing of a complaint when it has "reason to believe" that the law has been or is being violated, and it appears to the Commission that a proceeding is in the public interest. The complaint is not a finding or ruling that the defendants actually have violated the law. The case will be decided by the court.

Copies of the complaint are available from the FTC's web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580. The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop and avoid them. To file a complaint, or to get free information on any of 150 consumer topics, call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357). The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies worldwide.
Media Contact:
Claudia Bourne Farrell,
Office of Public Affairs
202-326-2181
Staff Contact:
Heather Hippsley or Elaine Kolish,
Bureau of Consumer Protection
202-326-3285 or 202-326-3042
(FTC File No. 002 3256)
(Civil Action No. 1:01CV00126)


texFCturboII 06-26-11 10:02 PM

owned

GregW 06-27-11 01:48 AM

I flog the shit out of everything I own but my Model A, Ive always used cheap Havoline oil and Fram filters. Multiple VW's over 300k and one over 500k.

Moral of the story, change your oil with new oil from time to time and oh yeah, a filter.

chris french_87rx7 06-27-11 04:27 PM

Alright, thanks for the responses. I was pretty skeptical of this product and I'v never used it in anything I'v ever owned. I know someone who uses it and he thinks it works... guess he's not too bright. I have to thank "Evil Aviator" for the great info which confirmed my skepticism on the product.

RotaryEvolution 06-27-11 04:31 PM

there have been so many of these additive oils over the years but how many still are on the shelves? regular conventional old generic motor oil.

there is no such thing as magic in a bottle.

rxse7en 06-27-11 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Karack (Post 10682747)
there have been so many of these additive oils over the years but how many still are on the shelves? regular conventional old generic motor oil.

there is no such thing as magic in a bottle.

http://static.thebar.com/v2/v3.1.36/...ttle_Drink.jpg

RotaryEvolution 06-27-11 04:55 PM

you got me, put 5 quarts of guinness in at each oil change.

rxse7en 06-27-11 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Karack (Post 10682776)
you got me, put 5 quarts of guinness in at each oil change.

Just gave me an idea for GI--Guinness Injection post intercooler! :nod:

Hypertek 06-27-11 05:48 PM

i had a mechanic friend who sweared by throwing atf in your oil and run it a little bit to clean up then replace with standard oil.

Ive also used seafoam in oil.. That stuff is great.

Though I probably wouldnt do that stuff to a rotary, that is just me.

AmT_T 06-27-11 07:03 PM

Doesn't Carrol Shelby sponsor zmax?? Bahahahah mustangs..

AGreen 06-27-11 09:52 PM

Yeah, and Ron Jeremy sponsors Extenze.....

What's your point?


I have personal experience with ZMax. I worked at a Dodge dealership that used Zmax products and I never got any complaints. HOWEVER. I was a tech, and didn't have to deal with the customers, so I guess I'll never know. What I do know is that I used it as directed in my NA. Some went in the oil, some in the transmission, some in the fuel, etc etc. Less than a month later, engine goes boom. Funny thing though, it didn't happen while driving, hard revving, or anything strenuous. I started the car one day and pop goes the weasel.

Maybe it was the fact that it was a 178,000 mile original engine, but as soon after that went down, I rebuilt the engine and started driving it again. The transmission tore up a few months later. The gears had pitting on the teeth after tearing it down.

Seafoam or Marvel mystery oil is a better option.

AmT_T 06-28-11 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by AGreen (Post 10683170)
Yeah, and Ron Jeremy sponsors Extenze.....

What's your point?


I have personal experience with ZMax. I worked at a Dodge dealership that used Zmax products and I never got any complaints. HOWEVER. I was a tech, and didn't have to deal with the customers, so I guess I'll never know. What I do know is that I used it as directed in my NA. Some went in the oil, some in the transmission, some in the fuel, etc etc. Less than a month later, engine goes boom. Funny thing though, it didn't happen while driving, hard revving, or anything strenuous. I started the car one day and pop goes the weasel.

Maybe it was the fact that it was a 178,000 mile original engine, but as soon after that went down, I rebuilt the engine and started driving it again. The transmission tore up a few months later. The gears had pitting on the teeth after tearing it down.

Seafoam or Marvel mystery oil is a better option.

My "POINT" is: That such a well respected name in the automotive industry should not be selling his name short with half assed products. ie. Z-max.

If you take care of your car (or any machine) and service it at the recommended intervals there is no need for "magic" products like z-max. (working as a tech at a dodge dealership you should know this first hand.)

And with your N/A, despite the mileage, I think the proof is in the pudding; blown motor and transmission in less than a month. Don't put garbage in your rotaries people!

AGreen 06-28-11 12:04 PM

Exactly. Ron Jeremy's got a huge wiener and he's selling sugar pills that make guys think theirs is growing. Apples to apples here...

ZMax is crap. That was my point :)

AmT_T 06-28-11 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by AGreen (Post 10683854)
Exactly. Ron Jeremy's got a huge wiener and he's selling sugar pills that make guys think theirs is growing. Apples to apples here...

ZMax is crap. That was my point :)

Mmm apple pie ;)


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