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RotaryForce13B 06-14-05 10:33 PM

Tein Pillowball upper mount
 
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I am about to install my new suspension and I am a little confused on how the front Tein camber plates are installed (I’m not to good at reading Japanese). Take a look at their assembly instruction sheet. Is the arrow supposed to be pointing at the engine or the fender? Does each mark on the plate represent 1 degree? About how far past 0 should I go to be close to stock?

Thanks

Aruba27flr 06-14-05 10:43 PM

i'm just guessing on this one, but i bet 1 mark means 1 degree. i think you could measure that with a protractor pretty easily... and i'm guessing that the arrow points to the engine, or whichever direction gives you negative camber... but that's just a guess.

trochoid 06-14-05 11:50 PM


Originally Posted by Aruba27flr
i'm just guessing on this one, but i bet 1 mark means 1 degree. i think you could measure that with a protractor pretty easily... and i'm guessing that the arrow points to the engine, or whichever direction gives you negative camber... but that's just a guess.

Maybe you should quit guessing with bad information in your posts and just start reading and learning first. I was on the forum for months before I started posting, and then only if I KNEW the CORRECT answer.

FYI cred is earned, it's not just post count.

RotaryEvolution 06-14-05 11:54 PM

calm down trochoid, at least he was trying to be helpful unlike a few people i see around now and then.


did you try checking Tein's website? i don't have Adobe on my comp atm so i can't check their installation instructions out right now.

http://www.tein.com/ti/m62.html

trochoid 06-15-05 12:05 AM


Originally Posted by Karack
calm down trochoid, at least he was trying to be helpful unlike a few people i see around now and then.


did you try checking Tein's website? i don't have Adobe on my comp atm so i can't check their installation instructions out right now.

http://www.tein.com/ti/m62.html

I'm calm. I've noticed several posts from him tonite with a similiar context. Just trying to give the newby youngin a heads up.

RotaryEvolution 06-15-05 12:07 AM

ahh well at least he is honest that they are just guesses. ;)

Aruba27flr 06-15-05 12:15 AM

yeah, i'm just throwing out my .02 and learing all i can at the same time, if i make a mistake, correct me, i won't deny that i'm wrong

as for why i have so many posts, that's because i'm at work and there is NOTHING to do. all i do here is look up RX7 stuff. in an 8 hr shift, there's maybe 2 hrs of real work, the rest of the time i'm on the computer.

tri_tam 06-15-05 01:16 AM

i would like to know the answer too

i don't know if your are same like my!

on my there only 2 dot/line on one side, and like 10+(alot) dot/line on the other side of the "0"
and i put the 2 line side face fender(out side of the car).
that way i can get more -camber for the turn.

i got my on ebay(used), no install manual or anything.
i installed my that, because i "guess" that's the right way.

.......ag gzee.... i am not helping at all huh?

:edited:
stock should be at 0
if you look at it well, 0 should be in the center right?

Aruba27flr 06-15-05 01:38 AM

Stock camber angle's are usually around -2 degrees on a car. The 2 ticks past the 0 are most likely for positive camber, which is generaly unwanted. you can set it to whatever you want, but you have to understand the tradeoff: more camber = better grip on turns, but you lose brake power due to less of the tire being in contact with the road, plus, the more camber, the more uneven your tires will wear. you'll want the side with more tick marks going toward the center of the car, that's how negative camber should go.

tri_tam 06-15-05 02:00 AM

that's what i had it set @.-
well.. i didn't set it like that.... when i received mine it's pre set like that.

RotaryForce13B 06-15-05 02:05 AM


Originally Posted by Aruba27flr
Stock camber angle's are usually around -2 degrees on a car. The 2 ticks past the 0 are most likely for positive camber, which is generaly unwanted. you can set it to whatever you want, but you have to understand the tradeoff: more camber = better grip on turns, but you lose brake power due to less of the tire being in contact with the road, plus, the more camber, the more uneven your tires will wear. you'll want the side with more tick marks going toward the center of the car, that's how negative camber should go.


Thanks Aruba27flr,

That is some good input and that is exactly how I just finished installing them! I'm thinking about setting the camber to -1 1/2 for the street and I will figure out the setting I'll need for auto crossing while I'm at the event.

RotaryEvolution 06-15-05 02:13 AM

i would suggest having it aligned at a shop, then you can take the sheet and find out where your marks on the plates sit with the alignment of the car. if you expect that setting the marks even on both sides will give it even camber, i'm afraid that would be a roll of the dice and quite unlikely. at least having it aligned would give you a starting point for fine tuning it how you want it, also remember that adjusting camber will affect the toe in/out and cause abnormal tire wear as well and a slight loss of traction so unless you set it up properly you way wind up hurting your performance.


have the camber and toe set professionally then take a toe measurement with a tape measure at a point on both tires on the front and rear edges, when making camber adjustments you will want to adjust the toe to read the same as the measurements you took with the tape measurement before making the camber adjustments.

RotaryForce13B 06-15-05 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Karack
i would suggest having it aligned at a shop, then you can take the sheet and find out where your marks on the plates sit with the alignment of the car. if you expect that setting the marks even on both sides will give it even camber, i'm afraid that would be a roll of the dice and quite unlikely. at least having it aligned would give you a starting point for fine tuning it how you want it, also remember that adjusting camber will affect the toe in/out and cause abnormal tire wear as well and a slight loss of traction so unless you set it up properly you way wind up hurting your performance.


have the camber and toe set professionally then take a toe measurement with a tape measure at a point on both tires on the front and rear edges, when making camber adjustments you will want to adjust the toe to read the same as the measurements you took with the tape measurement before making the camber adjustments.


Thanks Karack,
I was planning on having it aligned professionally. I just wanted to know a near stock setting so that way it wouldnt hurt anything untill I could get it to the shop.

RETed 06-15-05 10:33 AM

The arrow is labeled "engine" in Japanese. :P


-Ted

RotaryForce13B 06-15-05 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by RETed
The arrow is labeled "engine" in Japanese. :P


-Ted

You da MAN RETed!!!!!! I didnt know you could read Japanese.

RETed 06-15-05 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by RotaryForce13B
You da MAN RETed!!!!!! I didnt know you could read Japanese.

Yeah, I can read a little.
Enough to be dangerous... :D


-Ted


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