Suspension suggestions for low budget
I currently looking to buy new suspension but i only have a budget of about $500. I was thinking about buying the racing beat package that comes with the springs and struts but then i would not have in new shocks. Or I could get new shocks but probibly not new srpings. My question is what would give me the best gain in porformace and if shocks would would, what kind of shock would be best for my price rang.
-Thanks P.S. I'm gona be usein the car for autocross not silly drag racin or anything |
why not spend it on the ground control coil overs, and save up for shocks?? their 399$ and they come with 350/225 spring rates if i remember right, but i could be wrong, search on google, you'll find them easily :) then you could save for shocks/sway bars/strutbars
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I guess the main question to ask is are you doing the work your self. If you are that is great! If not. You can't do much.
Next question. What class are you trying to race in? Do you care about classing? If you are going to stay stock class. Then you can only do struts. Answer those questions and we can go from there. James |
Wankel7: dont really car about class, mostly gettin the suspension to have fun in auto cross not so much for the compition aspect, and yess ill be do the work myself/with help from friends
Agent D:Thanks ill look them up |
Ok, so you have 500 bucks.
I would recommend you do this. Up your budget to $700 so you can do this. Get your struts maybe Tokico. Then buy the Energy poly bushings and the DTSS eliminator. Also, get a new competition diff mount. This way, while the suspension is apart you can do that work. The bushings are a bitch. But if you have a big vice or press you really should consider doing this work. The reason I say do the diff mount is because your car is getting older. And if you do the rear bushings the diff will be out anyway. Which makes replacing the mount super easy. James |
Thanks agian for all your help
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I am kind of in the same boat as Skater. but I already have springs, although now I can't remember if I bought Suspension Technics or Eibach... huh...
Anyway, I really need shocks, and I'm just as bad on bushings. One on my sway bar is accutally gone! The shocks I want are always right around $600 on ebay. I haven't even looked at bushings yet, but I'm guessing every bushing is going to cost around $150 from the net, right? Can anyone suggest a great set of shocks for under $500? I would prefer adjustable, but for 500 bones, I'm not going to expect much. this is for my race car, so I am willing to sacrafice some comfort for control. But it is dirven on the street regularly. My daily is pretty much a a touch better than stock. can anyone recomend a place to get the bushings? I would like one stop shopping, but I'm not that greedy, just want a good price. |
lotsa shocks for under 500. I did a search and the general consensus was eibach springs and KONI AGX shocks or struts..... I assume they are the same thing.
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i just finished collecting all the parts i need to redo my suspension, but it has to wait till i move into my new house, and it was pretty cheap. ill post the prices including the shipping...
*reaches for car folder* ok, here we go black energy suspension bushing kit 116.34 - rx-7parts.com 2 KYB Gr-2/ 2gas-adjust 255.00 - ebay front top strut bar 24.95 - ebay eibach pro kit springs - 177 - ebay total $573.29 now all i need is my new garage and time to install all this stuff. |
I'd buy Tokico struts, screw KYB's struts.. If you need to buy struts and springs for around 500, buy tokico's non adjustable struts and racing beat springs..
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thanks guys. I looked on the box, and my springs are the Suspension Technics. after I posted that I went looking again. I found a couple sets at or just over my set budget. I might go a head and spend the extra $130 or so on the konis. but, based on the prices from meister, that is a set of bushings.
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eibach prokit, tokico adjustables. Good for drift AND drag
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www.RacingBeat.com
Racing Beat 1986-92 RX-7 Suspension Package, Front and Rear Springs and Front and Rear Sway Bars: $429.30 Racing Beat Rear Suspension Upright Toe Eliminator: $40.00 Hawk Brake Pads: $65.00 Total: $534.30 I think this is what I would do and would give you good bang for the buck. Then you can save up for new struts and have a pretty nice suspension. You wont have the adjustability of coil overs but you also wont have the price. |
Let's clear up a few things:
1. Concensous is that the Eibach progressive rate "pro-kit" springs are not what you want for racing. 2. Sway bars are pretty much the last element you want to worry about. 3. KYB GR-2 shocks are essentially stock replacements. For the cheap performance shocks on normally boils it down to KYB AGX, Tokico Illuminas and Koni Yellow. Personally I'd lean towards the Tokicos because they have a lifetime warrenty and are cheaper than the Konis. I have Tokico blues on the front and there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between those and stock. If I was going to spend my money, I'd probably save a bit more for the Illuminas. |
That's what I wanted to hear Snrub.
What about a bushing "kit"? or do I have to buy them separatly from MazdaTrix? |
I haven't done the bushings and to be honest I've yet to hear any truely usefull discussion on them. Clearly there's benifit, but I can't really give you good advice beyond that. There's a hyperflex kit that has every bushing for the car. There's also a prothane (or something like that) kit. I've never seen any sort of comparison between the two, but I think the prothane kit *may* not have the same number of bushings as the hyperflex kit. I've seen the hyperflex kit go for as little as $70 on ebay.
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I bought the Eibach pro kit with KYB 5 point adjustables for mine....great sping/strut combo. I would highly recomend it. I think my total was right around $500 too
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The reason that you want to do bushings is this. The stock bushings are rubber for a reason. Complance and make ia more civilized car. The rubber has a lot more flex than the poly bushings do. As a result. The suspension won't work as soon with the rubber bushings. The reason being they will give a lllittle bit before the suspension begings to move. Because the ruber is more flexiable
So, with the poly bushings the suspension should wor ka little faster and with less compliance from your bushings. Also, the stock bushings are how old? How deteriorated? How dry rotted? Bushings are a great mod for your buck if you are doing them your self. So, if you are going to do bushings get the hyperflex kit (Black bushings with graphite impregnated in them for less sqeaks), get the Delrin DTSS bushings, and a competition diff mount while the rear suspension is on the ground. JAmes |
Not that I'm disagreeing with you Wankel7, but if someone ends up paying $100 all the bushings and then has the PITA factor putting all of them in, is that good bang for your buck if you're spending $500 compared to towards springs, shocks, tires? That's what I mean when I say I've yet to see what I'd call convincing discussion about them.
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the bushings on these cars are ancient anyway, so they need to be replaced..
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the set up i have in my mind is
koni yellow + racing beat package + energy bushing + racing beat rear toe eliminator but damn ... all adds up to like a grand .... |
modding cars isn't cheap :)
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The thing with doing bushings is this. If you are doing springs and struts you already have a lot of it apart. So, do bushings while you are there.
James |
Originally Posted by Snrub
Let's clear up a few things:
1. Concensous is that the Eibach progressive rate "pro-kit" springs are not what you want for racing. 2. Sway bars are pretty much the last element you want to worry about. 3. KYB GR-2 shocks are essentially stock replacements. For the cheap performance shocks on normally boils it down to KYB AGX, Tokico Illuminas and Koni Yellow. Personally I'd lean towards the Tokicos because they have a lifetime warrenty and are cheaper than the Konis. I have Tokico blues on the front and there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between those and stock. If I was going to spend my money, I'd probably save a bit more for the Illuminas. how far down the list should strut tower bar's be? |
I have been looking into getting new suspension. I have a question about the Tokiko Illumina vs. the KYB AGX. They are both adjustable, the KYB seems to have a easier way to adjust them.
These prices are from www.racingbeat.com: Tokiko Illumina Front - ($182)x2 Rear - ($142)x2 KYB AGX Front - ($135)x2 Rear - ($103)x2 The price difference for the fronts totals $95 more for the Tokiko and $78 more for the Tokiko in the rear. Seems like the KYB AGX having the easier adjustment and costing ~$175 bucks less is a better deal. Do you guys have any comments as to why the Tokiko Illumina might be a better choice? In fact the KYB AGX is only a little more expensive that the Tokiko HPs. (non adjustable) |
hmmm... i just baught tokiko hps and tanabe sustec springs for 480 total from rxecret7.com that seems to be what racingbeat is charging for the kyb agxs by themselves and with my budget i have no problem sacrificing adjustability for springs instead.
edit: the tokikos are only 340 from rxecret7.com |
The tokicos are more expensive because of higher quality(debatable) and a great warranty(worth the extra money in my opinion).
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I guess I am still debating on if I want adjustable or not. The price differences are not HUGE, so I fell like I should get the adjustable just in case I ever autox. hmm descisions descisions...
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Regarding the Pro-Kit, fine if people use them, but that doesn't change the concensous that progressives are not as good as linear springs.
Taking the 6 bolts front, 3 rear to remove the shocks doesn't make you that much closer to finishing the ordeal of pulling the suspension appart, dropping the rear subframe, etc. Lots of people are quiet happy with their AGXs. Shop around on the Illuminas, eg. the rx7store.net sells them for "$129/strut" (front vs. rear they don't say). |
The bushings are more of a necessity than an upgrade at this point. I am actualy missing one and the others are so bad they need to go. I've known I need to replace them for some time now, but I don't have a free weekend to do it. but now i have to.
Does anyone know where to get the Hyperflex bushings? I know where to find the prothane. I just wnat to price shop. Thanks for all the help guys. |
I've known alot of people that use the AGX's, and if you lower your car at all, they blow out within one year.. I would personally go with the Illuminas, leave your speakers out for a week and dial them in how you want them. Adjusting your struts all the time isn't a great idea since you never quite get used to them.. The Konis are a good option also if you want to go through the work of installing them..
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Good thread...
these are all things I need to do when I get the money and time to install. My $.02: I will probably get the illuminas (Can't beat the waranty), RB Susp. kit (not sure if I need the rear sway bar, I already have one back there), and some poly bushings (mine are shot too). Ij know it won't be cheap, and I can barely drive the seven due to these (and Other) problems that are all jumping out at one tiem. |
The Hyperflex kit can be bought from a wide varity of places. Off the top of my head eg. Summit, Victoria British. Search on google for 'rx7 hyperflex' and I'm sure something will come up.
Every FC has sway bars but I believe some of them are a thicker diameter than others. The RB ones are thicker than TII bars. |
just save up the $1200 for tein full adjustable coilovers. My friend put the on his 240, and dam that thing is the shit. I love how 7's handles stock, I"d just get a full set of polyurethane bushings and some tires, I found a full poly bushing set for $89.
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