Street Port MPG?
Im wanting to get a full port on my n/a. Was wondering if anyone has had this done and how it affected your gas mileage.
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Go get a turbodiesel VW if you want fuel economy. RX7s won't see anything higher than 20 with porting. And that's pussyfotting it.
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it will all depend on how it's tuned and how you drive it.
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I've only placed 260 miles on my newly done streetport. Still have approx a quarter tank of gas left. Before the build I averaged 14mpg. I would get about 200miles being heavy on the gas and and about 250 being light. So this is a little change. As what has been said before you still won't get great fuel economy with a 7.
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Originally Posted by ReZ311
(Post 8874530)
Go get a turbodiesel VW if you want fuel economy. RX7s won't see anything higher than 20 with porting. And that's pussyfotting it.
oh, guess I should also state Im running the stock ECU, injectors also, but a Walbro 255 pump. |
That wasnt a very constructive comment about the VW turbodiesel. Im aware 7's dont get great mileage but with this car being my daily driver I cant afford it being much lower than 17mpg on average. So basically is it going to get worse or better? I was thinking on one hand more hp needs more fuel on the other more flow means engine doesnt have to work as hard. I dunno.
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Originally Posted by millertime6009
(Post 8874684)
That wasnt a very constructive comment about the VW turbodiesel. Im aware 7's dont get great mileage but with this car being my daily driver I cant afford it being much lower than 17mpg on average. So basically is it going to get worse or better? I was thinking on one hand more hp needs more fuel on the other more flow means engine doesnt have to work as hard. I dunno.
...as well, driving habbits will greatly influence fuel economy (i.e. keeping it below 2500RPM and no boost). My Turbo II gets horrible fuel mileage, for a daily driver... so I have a Volvo 850 Turbo. My best reccomendation would be to look in to another vehicle as soon as possible; keeping the 7 for 'fun'. Back to your original post, I can't imagine getting better fuel economy from altering the car with a performance-based port... but to be fair, I'm new enough to not be very confident with rotaries and porting (i.e. wich benefits each port job would yield). |
Originally Posted by ReZ311
(Post 8874530)
RX7s won't see anything higher than 20 with porting. And that's pussyfotting it.
it really comes down to quality of the port and tuning. and an rx7 CAN get 30 mpg. shit my 12a first gen got me 32mpg with a leaky exhaust. dont let people stear you in the wrong direction. |
its a street port . . . dont worry about gass!!! . . .lolz
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Originally Posted by dean23
(Post 8874735)
Oh really? Cuz my aggressively streetported TII gets 26 mpg with a shitty tune on the highway. oh an i should state that i have a fairly unrestricted 3" exhaust, 720/1680 injectors and a 9lbs flywheel.
it really comes down to quality of the port and tuning. and an rx7 CAN get 30 mpg. shit my 12a first gen got me 32mpg with a leaky exhaust. dont let people stear you in the wrong direction. |
Originally Posted by No_love_for_pistons
(Post 8874855)
Then you sir are one of the few exceptions to the rule. :icon_tup:
I think there's more than likely some error in his calculations or methods to reach factors. |
Originally Posted by No_love_for_pistons
(Post 8874855)
Then you sir are one of the few exceptions to the rule. :icon_tup:
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Originally Posted by Mo_Jo_Jo
(Post 8874875)
I'm with you on this one. I'm having a hard time believing 26MPG on a TII.
I think there's more than likely some error in his calculations or methods to reach factors. |
You should also think about getting a wideband o2 sensor and some kind of fuel management device. That won't only help your mpg but a porting doesn't do what it's supposed to until you have control over your fuel ratio.
I spose you didn't ask for opinions but I wouldn't pay for a port on an N/A. So unless you are planning to diy, in which case thats fine, I would save for a T2 swap since that'll satisfy you more in the long run. (reading previous posts it seems you are at a rebuild point) |
i measured 13.8mpg on my last tank.
street ported turbo with 720/880. |
Originally Posted by LogicFoxX
(Post 8875572)
I spose you didn't ask for opinions but I wouldn't pay for a port on an N/A. So unless you are planning to diy, in which case thats fine, I would save for a T2 swap since that'll satisfy you more in the long run. (reading previous posts it seems you are at a rebuild point)
Okay so Ive got responses ranging from 26 mpg to 13. If I average those numbers Id be very content. Do the turbos get better or worse mileage in general? |
Originally Posted by millertime6009
(Post 8878676)
Bascially Im trying to get to the 200whp number. I saw dyno numbers from an 88 n/a with aggressive street port done at Banzai Racing and it hit 188 without fuel management. Im hoping with the same port and an afc neo i can get to at least 195whp.
Okay so Ive got responses ranging from 26 mpg to 13. If I average those numbers Id be very content. Do the turbos get better or worse mileage in general? please prove me wrong, i'd love to see it ~not being sarcastic~ in theory, turbos should get better efficiency but ti's so damn hard to keep off boost, it's addicting! |
Originally Posted by need-a-t2
(Post 8878711)
I hate to break your bubble, but your not going to get 195RWHP on a streetported N/A motor...
196whp with a modded, stock S4 intake manifold. Say no to misinformation! |
Originally Posted by millertime6009
(Post 8874459)
Im wanting to get a full port on my n/a. Was wondering if anyone has had this done and how it affected your gas mileage.
thanks Any reasonable street port will have little effect on mileage. Depending on how it is ported (mainly on the exhaust side) it may get better mileage, may get worse. Though one thing to remember is that your driving style is likely different from the driving style I would use to measure mileage. If you are heavy on the throttle, mileage is going to be poor either way.
Originally Posted by ReZ311
(Post 8874530)
Go get a turbodiesel VW if you want fuel economy. RX7s won't see anything higher than 20 with porting. And that's pussyfotting it.
And if you want to split hairs, a VW turbo diesel gets poor economy as well. My other car is a Honda Insight.
Originally Posted by LogicFoxX
(Post 8875572)
You should also think about getting a wideband o2 sensor and some kind of fuel management device. That won't only help your mpg but a porting doesn't do what it's supposed to until you have control over your fuel ratio.
I spose you didn't ask for opinions but I wouldn't pay for a port on an N/A. So unless you are planning to diy, in which case thats fine, I would save for a T2 swap since that'll satisfy you more in the long run. (reading previous posts it seems you are at a rebuild point) Not everyone wants a TII swap, and there's something to be said about a nice fresh NA engine compared to a junk yard TII drivetrain. [QUOTE=need-a-t2;8878711]I hate to break your bubble, but your not going to get 195RWHP on a streetported N/A motor. bridgport probably, maybe even a half bridge. 7RWHP is alot to gain on an N/A, and I don't thing a AFC will cut it. please prove me wrong, i'd love to see it ~not being sarcastic~ Easily done on a half bridge with a proper manifold setup. But I agree, it's going to be difficult to get 200 wheel HP on an NA setup without radical modifications. Few achieve this. |
Originally Posted by millertime6009
(Post 8878676)
Bascially Im trying to get to the 200whp number. I saw dyno numbers from an 88 n/a with aggressive street port done at Banzai Racing and it hit 188 without fuel management. Im hoping with the same port and an afc neo i can get to at least 195whp.
200WHP would be nice, but I'll give you some advice, as a DynoJet certified operator; don't set your mind on the 200 number. Instead, mod the engine how you think will best suit your expectations and requirements (decent power and fuel economy). The Dyno is really a tool for tuning air/fuel ratio, and any numbers/bragging rights you get should just be a bonus. Along that train of thought, Dyno numbers can vary greatly from Dyno to Dyno, so only compare numbers with people who ran the same Dyno with similar conditions (temp, humidity, operator, etc...). You still can't be 100% with these things in mind. Operators can alter numbers, or cheat the numbers. There's a certain 'guideline' for an honest-tune, and making passes doing different things can better or worsen your results. Food for thought |
217miles per tank on a highway.... or there abouts..
13BT Extend port with stock turbo and computer |
I am getting 14 city, 25 mpg Hwy on an 88 TII.
Set up is a hybrid engine. Street port turbo center plate, Street port 6 port end plates, Street ported housings. 9.4 NA rotors Hogged S5 Turbo intake, stock IC TII ECU, stock 550cc injectors, Aeromotive AFPR @45 PSI Hybrid S5 turbo, ported WG, 9 PSI HKS FCD AFR stays below 11.7 all the way to 7.5k RPM Cruise AFR is 14.5-14.9 Stock DP (hollowed cat), Corksport 3" exhaust 256 RWHP Point being you can get decent MPG's with modified engines. |
Originally Posted by drewski86
(Post 8879021)
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=dyno
196whp with a modded, stock S4 intake manifold. Say no to misinformation! |
You guys need to keep wishing you get over 30MPG. The rotary is not an efficient motor. You'd be so lucky to see 20. Just enjoy the car and beat on it. Don't worry about MPGs. :lol:
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Originally Posted by need-a-t2
(Post 8879708)
what exactly is a "Street Port SCCA standards (off internet)" I'm still skeptical, but I've been wrong before.
Anyone know if stock N/A's meet this rule? |
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