Reman or Rebuilt
 

Im trying to decide where to get my new engine from. I am tempted to get a rebuild done at atkinsrotary, or rotary ressurection, but i love the fact that mazdas engines come with new housings and rotors. What have you guys had better experiences with?

You could probably have your motor rebuilt with NEW housings for the price of a brand new Mazda motor. Also, you have other options for engine builders here in Arizona, such as AZRotaryRockets.

i dont konw where your at in cali but if your north enough you could call up or go see pinnapple racing

Get it rebuilt and then get a street port.

That's my humble opinion.

How good is AZRotaryRockets?

A reman is pricey but you know for sure it will perform, I know I have one!! but did not pay the mazda price :D

I've had an Atkins rebuild... and I loved the thing. Ran great. However, one good bet is to do it yourself... use the money you save on labor to buy new housings.

Get yourself a rebuild video. If you have tools, you can do it. Its really not THAT hard. It also opens up the option of porting, amongst other things.

They kick ass.

Glen does some seriously nice work. As for experience. He's been working on race cars with Paul Yaw so he knows building engines :D

Rat's running a motor built by him right now :D

Yeah, he built my motor. A street port that made 490 HP and 395 ftlbs of torque.

man if you are in Cali you could go to Racing Beat or Mazdatrix depending on where you are... some of the best shops are in Cali. If you were mid atlantic on the east coast I'd say Bruce Turrentine or Kevin Landers

hey i have a question. if i were to buy a s4t2 had it rebuilt how much stock hp would i have and then how much would i have if it was street ported?

Depends on how well you tune your car and who does the porting. Incorrectly porting an engine can actually hurt engine performance.

well say i have a stock engine with only exhaust and i wanted to street port it. how much am i looking at. i think the problem with me i know what i want to shoot for i just dont konw how to get to my hp. i am really only looking at 300hp, i plan on drifting my car. as for the porting and interal engine/ head if you want to call it i was going to just drive down to pinnapple racing and have them do the work

Well, you neglected to mention your psi you'll be running as well.

9/10psi on stock turbo motor will be in the 170-190rwhp range.
Streetports are generally around a 10-20% increase depending on the porting done.

I do not think you would hit the 300 mark reliably.
You should look into a BNR hybrid turbo along with a streetport if you want to hit that number safely without making the motor work too hard.

Are you serious? I just said IT DEPENDS

Well, your name has 86 in the title, and your profile says "FC". So I'm going to just assume its an NA. 300hp is WAY unrealistic.

Dear god....

Smartest thing you've said so far.

I checked about a year ago on a reman, and I was told around $4500 by my local mazda dealer...

It depends on what computer you have, as far as what i can tell you, Chris Ludwig has tuned S4 TIIs for about 8 PSI of boost on a ported reman engine and gotten around 240HP at the wheels. He was using a haltech though. It was also on a first gen with a T2 tranny. Most FCs are in that ballpark though.

I still have to ask what is wrong with drifting, here they are having events at the sportsdrome in indiana and many people are interested in going, it's something to have fun doing.

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lol i just wasnt going to hit that number with just a stock engine with a street port and turbo i know there are other thing i need to get i was just woudering how about how much hp i would be looking at. also i was stating that 300 is my goal with many mods sorry for the confusion

wow thanks for being an asshole

seriously man... do 240 owners all look down on those that want/do drift? its their car and they can do whatever they want. personally i want to track mine but do a little drift on the side (for fun and learning better car control of course)

No problem.

I think you might be on the wrong forum dude.

once, when I was crossing a street I saw a kitty cat. It was white and had some smaller black dots on its face. I called it spots.

:lol2: :rlaugh:

Do you have a particular issue with those that drift thier FCs?

Maybe hes envious of drifters? Just a shot in the dark. I mean, cause some people dislike what they can't do. :)

Naww.. my only issue is that most people who buy RX-7's are young and/or inexperienced drivers. I just hate seeing 7's and/or their drivers die because of somebody doing something stupid. Most people who drift also do it on open public roads with other people on them; putting other drivers in danger. I don't like that.

Thats my only problem with "drifters". I've met plenty of drifters who have a dedicated drift car and drift on a closed course. I have no problem with those types of people.

Mazda Remans are $2200. Thats the value of the parts inside! Great deal for anyone on a budget.

i was making a comparison... text cant show accented speech...

It's pretty simple

For reliability, swap the engine to a factory turbo engine (13BT, 13B-RE, 13B-REW, 20B-REW), otherwise keep the 6 port NA that you have now.
Rebuild with Aggressive streetport, half-bridgeport, full bridgeport, j-bridgeport, semi-peripheral port or peripheral port (The last three are overkill)
You might want to replace the rotors with S4 or S5 turbo rotors, you can keep your stock 9.4 rotors if you want to gamble with a high-comp turbo, people have done it successfully but they know what they're doing.
A decent sized turbo with a good exhaust A/R
A standalone
Upgraded Injectors
Upgraded Fuel pump
Downpipe/pre-silencer (Kiss emissions goodbye, so this car technically is not street-legal anymore)
Catback exhaust
Intake

And a bunch of other stuff

You're looking at 10k+ labor included

I've read (Pineapple website?) that many Mazda remans have some build "flaws" and the best thing to do is order the reman and rebuild it to ensure there are no "flaws". I recall a picture of a bunch of metal shavings in an oil pan... couple other things I can't recall. From the pictures I saw, I'd definitely tear the reman apart before installing it in your car.

Only about 10 posts out of 30 have had anything to do with my original question..

I got quoted $2621 before tax for a re-manufactured engine at the Mazda dealership in Hayward, CA not more than a few months ago. So I'm guessing it's still near that price.

You can get it rebuilt, which IMHO is a great deal as I'm running a rebuilt motor now and it runs like a champ. Only issue I can see with that is the "hard parts" (like the housings, rotors, etc..) not being in spec and needing them to be replaced, which can be very pricey. The upside of that is you can get the motor ported and get more horsepower while it's apart and the re-man'd motor would have to be disassembled and put back together to achieve the same effect. $$$

You can get your motor "built" and have all that done at once i'm assuming and it seems to be within the same price range as a re-man.

Don't get a used motor unless you know the person firsthand. I went up to the Mazda recycler in Rancho Cordova to check out a used one and was promised an average of 100k on the motor only to find the car had 200k+ on the clock and would probably need to be rebuilt anyways. Good if you had an apex seal that grenaded and needed some half decent housings to replace it, but otherwise just a bad idea.

My suggestion is to get it rebuilt by a reputable builder as you will not be disappointed. The price is right and most of them will offer you a warranty on thier work. Karack is up in Marysville and I highly recommend his work.

for mazda remans, is that short block only? or do they come with all accessories?

Its a shortblock.

where can u get a reman for 2200?

Atkins Rotary in Pulyum Washington Will send you a rebuilt and pay the freight. They want the core returned and they will credit you depending on the condition of the original. Make sure to buy it with the fly wheel attached and be careful when installing the O rings gave me a fit. my 91 runs like a charm doesn't burn a lot of oil and starts with no problem