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ticalll 05-01-06 07:43 PM

car will not start new engine plz help
 
i got a 1987 non turbo rx7 i just put a new engine in and it will not start its got no emissions on it its seems to be geting mad gas it did start 1 time but the fuel pump fuse was out plz help I GOT ALL THIS ON THE CAR BLOCK OF PLZ HELP F PLATES PINAPPIE RACING PORT SLEEVES TURBO OIL PUMP DUAL BELT ALTERNATOR PULLY AND MAINE PULLY WALBRO 255 FUEL PUMP INTAKE HEADERS

J-Rat 05-01-06 07:44 PM

F L O O D E D!

NeCr0mStR 05-01-06 07:52 PM

indeed

calrx7 05-01-06 08:23 PM

yep, definently flooded

ticalll 05-02-06 04:02 PM

new eng will not start plz help mad gas
 
new eng will not start plz help mad gas

plz help i got a 1987 non turbo rx7 with a new eng engine it will not start and i dont know why it did start 1 time for like 5 sec but the fuel pump FUSE WAS OUT its geting mad gas the car has no emissions its geting spark plz help

classicauto 05-02-06 04:32 PM

a little more info would be sweet, like what is this "new" engine, a rebuild? a used Jspec?

define "mad gas"....

it sounds to me though like its just severly flooded....barring more info on the car - check the FAQ for the de-flooding procedure

J-Rat 05-02-06 04:39 PM

He posted this yesterday, and we all told him it was flooded. Guess he didnt get the hint.

ITS FLOODED!

J-Rat 05-02-06 04:41 PM

My car doesn't start
Remember when starting a fuel injected car you should never pump or press the accellerator pedal, but if it won't start it is probably flooded, Hold the accelerator pedal all the way down while cranking, do not pump the pedal. If it still doesn't start after a few tries, Then remove the EGI fuse and crank a couple more times, then re-install the fuse and try starting again. If then the car still fails to start it then you need to remove and clean the spark plugs, put in a teaspoon of ATF into the lower sparkplug holes, re-install the spark plugs and try again. Make sure you change your oil after you have started and run the car ASAP.

Sideways7 05-02-06 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by classicauto
define "mad gas"....

I always thought "mad gas" was something you got after eating Mexican food...

ticalll 05-03-06 04:55 PM

new eng will not start plz help mad gas
 
new eng will not start plz help mad gas

plz help i got a 1987 non turbo rx7 with a new eng engine it will not start and i dont know why it did start 1 time for like 5 sec but the fuel pump was not on its geting mad gas the car has no emissions its geting spark plz help

90WhiteVrt 05-03-06 05:21 PM

New engines are generally hard to start. Do a search and i'm sure you'll find several threads about situations similar to yours.

ticalll 05-03-06 05:23 PM

i have been looking but cant find

ticalll 05-03-06 06:25 PM

i know this but why flooded

ticalll 05-03-06 06:28 PM

i know its FLOODED but why its a rebulid plz help

91verty 05-03-06 06:28 PM

just take it easy and drain the fuel outta the chambers by cranking it a few times with the plugs out. This is very common. MAke sure to remove the egi fuse in the engine bay. This is probably gonna happen several times, so be prepared. Also might wanna check the psi on your FP.

swbooking 05-03-06 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Sideways7
I always thought "mad gas" was something you got after eating Mexican food...

Haha NOICE! or cheese or broccoli hahah

J-Rat 05-03-06 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by ticalll
i know its FLOODED but why its a rebulid plz help

Because rebuilds tend to have lower compression..

J-Rat 05-03-06 06:45 PM

Dude, are three seperate threads necessary?

ticalll 05-03-06 06:47 PM

its got new spark plugs new oil lines block off plates Atkins' Thermal Pellet Atkins 2mm Solid Corner Seal Atkins 93-95 Corner Seal Spring pinapple racing ports sleeves turbo oil pump racing beat dual belt alternator pully and maine pully quick release steering wheel and hub cross floor bar lower arm bar brace solid aluminum engine mounts carbon hood pins intake headers 8mm wires all new inj grommets and o rings ss oil lines ss clutch line and all new red vacuum hose all new gaskets cant get it to run plz help

J-Rat 05-03-06 06:50 PM

Remove the Quick Release Steering wheel and the carbon hood pins! They are the source of ALL your problems!!!

Seriously.. Your car is flooded. Did you read up on how to deflood your car yet?

J-Rat 05-03-06 06:54 PM

http://www.rx7.com/techarticles_unfloodFC.html

here ya go..

ticalll 05-03-06 06:56 PM

i know its flooded i am trying all that shit it will not start it its geting to much gas but why

J-Rat 05-03-06 06:58 PM

Its not getting too much gas unless an injector is stuck wide open (which I highly doubt). You might need to just unplug the fuel pump for a while.. If you are still getting gas while unflooding, then you are doing it wrong.

Icemark 05-03-06 07:04 PM

Multiple threads on same subject by the same originator merged.

ticalll only start one thread on the same subject

ticalll 05-03-06 07:10 PM

sorry about that i am new and i dont take the fuse out i take the wier off the fuel pump from back i m going to try the ATF thing

ticalll 05-03-06 07:12 PM

injector is stuck wide open how can i tell it was geting so much gas

swbooking 05-03-06 07:13 PM

Just quit freakin out man, calm down, its flooded, its a common problem in 7s. and it doesnt seem like your doing the procedures cause to take out the EGI fuse and crank it for about 30 seconds plugging it back in and cranking it again should take you more time, your posting that your doing all the procedures but your posts are like 2 seconds apart.

Icemark 05-03-06 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by ticalll
sorry about that i am new

so that is why you started three threads on consecutive days all on the same thing???

ticalll 05-03-06 07:19 PM

i am sorry about 3 thread that was dumb i am just mad i do a rebulid and then it dont start

Icemark 05-03-06 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by ticalll
i am sorry about 3 thread that was dumb i am just mad i do a rebulid and then it dont start

And not starting/flooded engine is covered in the FAQ for FC sticky thread found at the top of this, the 2nd gen technical section.

Reading that you could have been fixed 3 days ago...

ticalll 05-03-06 07:25 PM

i did take off the secondary things off the throttle body

J-Rat 05-03-06 07:25 PM

You do know, some of us have used tow starts to some measure of success.. And taking of the secondary butterflies does tend to exacerbate the problem.

Rat

Iketh 05-03-06 07:36 PM

sigh... it's so easy to unflood these things....

another cause of flooding is the MAF flap stuck open, i've seen this happen... check it out

ticalll 05-03-06 07:55 PM

MAF whats that ?

unW7WZ 05-03-06 08:16 PM

STICKY....it tells u all abbreviations...REALLY...We arent giving you advice for nothing. Its all here..Its all been done before by someone else. And they documented it. I am sure 90% of the people on this forum have had the same problem as someone else and found the exact problem, and solved it, as well as learned from other's mistakes. Icemark said take a look at the sticky at the top. Every abbreviation (within reason) is there. I have read that thing like 20 times, and I am sure there are people here who have read it more....I would really like to see you have a look there. But to ease your pain (as you sound like the crackhead on Chapelles show) the MAF is M-ass A-ir F-low or Mass airFlow sensor, which is synonymous with the AFM, or Air flow meter. Dont ask me where its located, the sticky has TONS of places to find the Factory service manual. BTW, you rebuilt your engine and you have no clue as to what the AFM/MAF is? I am seriously wondering how this is possible.


EDIT: a direct quote from the FAQ sticky at the top (its the first freakin thread):

GX = Luxury Coupe model (in CAN)
GXL = Top line Luxury non turbo model
J-Spec = Japanese/NZ/AUS spec model
LSD = Limited Slip Differential (sometimes incorrectly called Posi or Positraction which is GM's in-house brand name for their Limited Slip Differential)
MAF = Mass Air Flow sensor
MOP = Metering Oil Pump. Oil Metering Pump as called in the service manual. (also see OMP)
NA = 1st gen Miata
NA = Normally aspirated/ Non turbo
N/A = Normally aspirated/ Non turbo

as you can see, many definitions are dictated in the sticky. This is only a portion... Thus concludes the tutorial on the sticky (as a pose to the sticky icky, which is very awesome to, which you are probably smokin right now).

ticalll 05-03-06 08:30 PM

ok i know what it is its the intake i know what a lot of the things are but i just did not know that one i had a atkins overhauling dvd

unW7WZ 05-03-06 08:51 PM

my bad, didnt mean to be an ass...just look around before posting... thats all... all i do on here is read, and questions get answered if i look/wait long enough. I cna understand tho...if this is a daily driver, then i'd be freakin too....actually if it was my hobby car i'd be freakin too....LOL...anyway. good luck...how is the progress? have you tried pulling it yet? actually afm/maf stuck open prolly not, but not connected, maybe. check it out... might be worth a try..right?

Hellkat 05-03-06 09:03 PM

out of curosity, and i dont mean this to be mean, what is ur primary language.

But describe in detail whats it doing.

Is your cold start components still there?
Restab your CAS?
MAF connected?

MaczPayne 05-03-06 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by ticalll
i just put a new engine in

Are you sure you did it yourself?

Pull the spark plugs and check for compression and/or fuel pumpin out of them. Do it with the egi fuse out.

ticalll 05-03-06 09:35 PM

the sub-zero start system was disabled by MAZDA

ticalll 05-03-06 09:51 PM

primary language 7uck you i got kick out of school and no the maf is not connected i just let it hang there i am that dumb

J-Rat 05-03-06 10:01 PM

Jesus.. This is getting really dumb..

swbooking 05-04-06 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by J-Rat
Jesus.. This is getting really dumb..

seriously...

and if you just let the MAF (Mass AirFlow aka the AirFlow Meter [incase you needed to be reminded]) hang there maybe you should plug it in, i think thats whats wrong hahah

whatever man, maybe you should come in here follow the rules, do what is suggested, and no be such a dick to everyone and youd get a lot more help.
my 2 cents = done rant...


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