Gaging intrest - Biometrics for your car
 

Looking to see how meany people would be willing to pay what it costs to do this and see if its worth my wile befor plowing off into it.

Basicly you will have a finger print scanner where ever you want it 2 for the doors 1 on each door and another one to turn on electronics to start car. Your choice between just dors or just ignition or both.

The setup will require you or a profeshinal to install. You will have 2 door popers this requires you to shave your door handles as well have the biometric scanners custom fabricated where you want them in the outside of car. The print scanner that must be exsposed is the size of your thumb. The ignition portion will be in the inside and placed anywehre you want. You will allso have to wire the unit up. Will come with instructions. The entire unit size is 2x1.5x1 per scaner. The system will reqire a computer supplyd in kit with software. The price will change here if you chose a pc from us or if you want to use your own computer and only purchase software. The system will double up as a MP3 player and dvd for your car. AUX imports with aftermarket head unit is required and tv.

The kit will include
popers for doors
biometric scanners
computer
software to controll units
inverter to power computer
wireing to hook all devices up
RF reciver to turn computer on remotly befor you go out to it

The other option I am thinking of is to use a USB key / flash drive whatever you guys say you are more interested in.

The total price of this kit will be $1,720 considering enugh people are interested I have to offset my cost to make it anyware aforable to you. Unless someone wants to pay a crap load for me to write the software for 1 person.

So what do you think?

sounds pretty fucken pimp but us 2nd gen guys are pretty cheap =D
TwEaK

Yeah, definitely throw this around in the 3rd generation section. Those guys actually have money.

LMAO so true so true. us fc owners are broke other words we would be driving a FD :-) thx for the input sofar guys if there is enugh people I can maybe get the cost down a little.

I would be interested, I have my own computer setup etc. But would you be coding it in such a way so it was fairly universal? I would rather run linux/unix on the computer then a windows machine. ;)

Wouldn't you also run into problems with the computer needing to be active, to scan the finger print? Or are you going to be using some kind of usb/wake on support to take care of that... Otherwise dead battery city here we come.. Definately sounds like an interesting idea. I have kicked around ideas like this myself... Just no free time.

This will never fly. Price point is above the purchase price of most fair condition N/a's today and most TII guys probably dont' care.

FD territory.

You bring up good points that I have ben throwing through my head as well. The battery thing is a bigy b/c the computer must be running! the short fix I have so far is a RF reciver to do this but requires your wait to boot. A dead battery will yield you braking into car somehow.

I would realy like to write it in C but I have a fealing it will be beyond my C skills and I may have to do it in VB. This is requiring a windows box. Me as well I would much rather have it on a unix box. The only way to tell is when I get into it and plowing through code to see what I can acomplish and cant. I would love to use a pocket linux distro to greatly reduce load times. I am sure I will first write it in VB and see if wineX or another windows DLL port for linux will work and see if nay friends can help porting it to C. Basicly all I can say is early stages will be ruff as anyone would exspect and smooth out to things like linux in future. The only thing of this project is I need alot of + feedback b/c it will take alot of my time and money to get a product together if you understand.

What are your credentials? Have you done a project like this before? $1700 is a lot of money if you're asking people to be your test dummies...


From what I've seen, even the "rich" FD crowd is hesitant to spend money on things that aren't going to make their car faster. Most of us are pretty broke from keeping our complicated, maintenance-intensive twin-turbo's running properly.


If anything, your biometrics idea will add weight. Try the Honda guys, they seem to love spending too much money on their cars just to have the latest greatest thing. They don't care about performance as much either.

-s-

Unlike you obveusly some of us finde indeviduality in our cars and exspress ourselfs and not just speed. It is about havig something you enjoy and think is cool. yes it will add waight yes it is custom. my cridentials are. I am capable of doing it and thats good enugh. If you asking computer skills I will post on a as is needed basis of asking but they are adiquit. If there is the inrest that I will get my money back out of it and time I will develop them on my own car when finished project is achived I will package it.

Well if your spelling skills are indicative of anything i wouldn't send you my money.

Im fucking dislexic

amen!



Spell check is your friend

So am I but I try hard not to screw up. Either way any sign of being irritated at the fact that someone that is possibly going to pay you 1700 dollars is asking you for credentials is suspect.

No man. Biometrics is cool, but not that cool

Ive ben dealing with ignorent people to the fact of dislexia my whol life just tired of reply with exsplanation when someone isnt inteligant enugh to understand them in the first place not to say your not just past exsperiances. I took his wording of cridentials in combination with the rest of his post as critisim and not lagitament queshtion.

My cridentials are. Well this is what I do for a living.
A+, NET+, CCNA, MCSA, LINUX+, - W3C.org XHTML, and CSS certifyd
Schooling from New Horizons in FT Myers FL
Known Langs
VB, Perl, C, AS, JS, XHTML, HTML, CSS, DHTML.
I am a self employd IT tech and linux and windows network administrator as well a free lance programmer.

Not sure if you would call that my profeshion or ocupation.

My first job is profeshinal motocross. Taking the year off from injurys.

I agree, such a system would be too expensive for what most consider a "frill" (hell, I'd be be satisfied with a remote lock/unlock key...most cars have 'em nowadays) .....but I'm curious about the day to day practicalities of a biometric system.

If it works off a fingerprint / thumbprint is there a failure rate for such systems? In other words, does the correct fingerprint not open the door, say, 5% of the time?
I know a Coke machine won't take a dollar bill about 30% of the time time....then I'm trying to smooth the bill out or dig in my pocket for a better one.
What about if the car is dirty, or wet from the rain.....would the system have a harder time reading the print?
Will there be any kind of override? What would happen if you wanted to loan your car to somebody or have a mechanic give it a road test?

... I hate to say it, but get a Mac - OS-wide spell checking rules. I'm slightly dyslexic, have poor spelling, but manage to get stuff spelled properly regularly.

Also, cool as it would be, there's no way I could justify $1700 on top of a *maybe* $2000 car.

I think your best bet would be to get a professional looking website for the product, and see if you can make kits for all sorts of cars - as posted above, I'm sure there are a good number of 'ricers' who would love something like this (and have the money for it). Sadly, from what I can tell, the TII guys around here like to only spend money for performance, and the NA guys are too broke to afford a turbo.

-=Russ=-

You make good points. The system is quite exspencive. A + side is you get a computer to tune with if you ever get a stand alone manager! I think the day to day is no issure you press finger and pop goes door. The failure rate of reconition maybe 2% in thus requiring you to press finger again. Wet issue not that I have seen with the units I have used, whipe it off with shirt. however if your fingers are all pruny no it wont open. The teft accesability is quit a bit lower it is a dificult system to trick I have succeded in making jelly hands and tricking it but is very hard and system is resistant to all other methods. The retnal systems I have seen are quit trickable were actualy 1 out of 15 people will open it without a problem. Incase say your finger gets cut bad and your print is changed. Well you can assing up to 10 prints to be accessable. A macanic no he wont be able to open it without you. Anyways how often do we take our rx7's to a macanic?

I thinking more and more that a USB key may be more practical. It is harder to brake in then normal. Basicly you add a flash drive to your key chain and this does evrything your key does in your car. This can allow you to loan it to the macanic or friend.

Here is the 2 model you will be looking at. One is pre formed into a casing that you can mount. The other option is a bare system that you fabricate the housing for.

http://www.digitalpersona.com/images/FingerRead.jpg

http://www.digitalpersona.com/produc...ges/module.gif

Interesting concept. I would ask how U would prevent someone just popping the window trim & opening the door? Sorry about your dyslexia, but it doen't seem like a programmer that can't type would be very successful. Do U even look at what your posts read like? I am assuming your ignition reader would operate a relay? If so that is a potential weakness that is easily exploited. Also the power consumption of an active computer system is going to be a serious problem to overcome. The previous remarks about FC owners being cheap bastards is more or less correct - U would be better off with a generic kit that had applications on all model vehicles - I try not to have anything worth stealing in my car(not to hard 4 me!! LOL). I would be afraid of doing all the work & some bastard ripping off all my programming & equipment choices & slitting my throat on e-bay with a knock-off. Also, if U have thought of something, more than likely someone else has already had the same thought & is already way ahead of U designing a totally custom low-power consumming setup. Have U considered voice recognition? It would have no noticeably conspicuous hardware. A thief wouldn't know it was there!!

Good Luck with your endeavor.

Ramses666

Why run it on a PC? Would be easier to just hack up some hardware using MC68HCXX type proccessor coded to use the output of your fingure scaner to compare its stored data, when you set it up.. Would be pretty simple, solves your power consumption as it would waste hardly any current.. and would be ALOT cheaper..

I can't believe this is being talked about on an FC board... *tee-hee* :D

yep, i was thinking about this too, that and the fact that even if it was a WOL it would be quite time consuing waiting for the comp to wake up and process the data to let you into your car..

i would run this by the FD guys, as said, even when i have over $5k invested in my mods alone this would be more of an aesthetics thing than for protection because even i could break into an FC and bypass this system in a matter of minutes...

"the NA guys are too broke to afford a turbo."
not true, i just bought mine this week for my N/A, the biometrics thing would be cool for your ignition, but not the doors, on the other hand the flash drive for doors and ign. would be sweet. but then again what if some one has the same program on there flash card and can get into your car? and where did you find thos scan units at?

The scan units are my limitation here. I can only hope that in future time to come I could pay someone that writes assembly to convert the app to a ROM and use a ROM board insted of a PC. The issue here is that the scanners - fingerprint/retnal that I have ben able to finde or have used personaly are perpriatory software and run only on windows. This causes me to not have acces to the hardware utalization unless I can swet talk them somehow. The way I had in minde to try using this was to run there software as normal. I was writing my own app using USB/rs232 that simply open and closed its self when it open it just sent a + connection between 2 wires and pop the dor popers or enable the ignition system. The way the bio software worked is when this fingerprint you registerd is passed to it and opens my app and pop goes doors or ignition or what ever you wire it to. This is the curent reson for having a PC and using windows XP. I was thinking well if you have to use a PC lets see how useable we can make it to the user such as mp3 AVI DVD Games or EMS controls to somehow counter balance justify the $$$ of the unit. My goal is to get the units to $600 and no PC required or keep storming how to get load times down and power consumption. With the most up to date hardware you can get boot times to 12 seconds thats not very long to wait but the $ to do that would be outragus.

Im all open to ideas