FMIC -- need clarification
can some one give me a techinical idea of why everyone says
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are you talking about the difference between bar and plate the top one you shown... and tube and fin the lower one you showed?
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yeah
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LOL, I thought the top one was a tube and fin type and the bottom one the bar and plate. Obviously the bar and plate type won't get as damaged from road debris, but other than that I'm not too sure about the difference either.
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Vertical flow cores typically have lower pressure drop due to the fact that the height of the core is typically short (versus length).
Horizontal flow cores have more pressure drop due to less and longer tubes, but that does not automatically mean it's "worse". The bottom line is the IC is there to cool the intake charge. As long as it does it's job, everything else is secondary. If there's too much presssure drop, just jack the boost higher. :D -Ted |
Originally Posted by 2ndGenV8RX-7
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Originally Posted by RETed
Vertical flow cores typically have lower pressure drop due to the fact that the height of the core is typically short (versus length).
Horizontal flow cores have more pressure drop due to less and longer tubes, but that does not automatically mean it's "worse". The bottom line is the IC is there to cool the intake charge. As long as it does it's job, everything else is secondary. If there's too much presssure drop, just jack the boost higher. :D -Ted The trouble is that ends up heating the air more so you make less power, doesn't really solve the problem of an inefficient intercooler. The upper and lower will both have the same frontal area, heat transfer area and efficiency, but assuming the tanks are on the top and bottom of the upper example, it will have greater internal flow due to the greater number of tubes and therefore lower pressure loss. |
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Originally Posted by barcode
The trouble is that ends up heating the air more so you make less power, doesn't really solve the problem of an inefficient intercooler.
Example: The red line shows the turbo needing to run at a higher pressure ratio to create the same boost in the manifold with an intercooler that has an increased pressure drop over the green line. Note that the red line actually passes through higher efficiency islands on the map, altough the turbo needs to be able to spin faster to do it. https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=84450 |
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Originally Posted by barcode
The upper and lower will both have the same frontal area, heat transfer area and efficiency, but assuming the tanks are on the top and bottom of the upper example, it will have greater internal flow due to the greater number of tubes and therefore lower pressure loss.
Example of what is usually the case... trying to cram an intercooler core AND end tanks into a small space: https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=84452 Which one looks better now? :) Anyway, these types of situations are what RETed was referencing. You can't always go by the Corky Bell numbers. ;) |
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That's the trouble, real life could never have anything to do with pure physical theory :P
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This site here is the one i was lookinng at. the 349 dollar one. I need a IC because the TII i bought lacks the top mount. I would like to avoid the pressure loss if possible but the price is in my range. I cant spend 1000 dollars on an IC. Hell the car didnt even cost that much.
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the other option i was exploring seeing i have to have custom pipes for this shindig. Why not go v-mount? i can use a 24" x 10" core with HKS vertical end tanks TIGed on. The pipes would be shorter which would be good. Also, i would keep it from the crappy ass northern weather. I can run an e-fan on it if i really need to as well.
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Originally Posted by barcode
That's the trouble, real life could never have anything to do with pure physical theory :P
Originally Posted by 2ndGenV8RX-7
This site here is the one i was lookinng at. the 349 dollar one. I need a IC because the TII i bought lacks the top mount. I would like to avoid the pressure loss if possible but the price is in my range. I cant spend 1000 dollars on an IC. Hell the car didnt even cost that much.
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=84452 The cheap intercoolers are usually not very efficient. However, they are better than nothing, and I totally understand the budget limitations.
Originally Posted by 2ndGenV8RX-7
the other option i was exploring seeing i have to have custom pipes for this shindig. Why not go v-mount? i can use a 24" x 10" core with HKS vertical end tanks TIGed on. The pipes would be shorter which would be good. Also, i would keep it from the crappy ass northern weather. I can run an e-fan on it if i really need to as well.
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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator
Theory holds true for the most part. The main problem comes in when people try to apply ONE theory when several factors exist in reality. ;)
-Ted |
Originally Posted by RETed
Like the bitches that mention Ideal Gas Law when talking about turbos? :D
-Ted Hey, Hugh MacInnes is all about PV = nRT, so lay off, man. :hippie: |
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